*sighs*

With all due respect KFC...come on...lets just - for once - leave that question alone and mourn his passing.

RIP Little Mikey

Be Well, ~Alderic

Come on girl, I was looking forward to heaven you know.

Heh

Wasn't gaga over either one (liked Cheryl Ladd more and pop music isn't on the top of my musical tastes) but R.I.P. to both.

was?  Does that mean you're not now? 

Sorry Lucas, I always think that no matter who dies.  I wonder what they're seeing and doing right now on the other side of eternity. 

me either really.  I never ever purchased one of Jacksons, albums, tapes, CD's etc over the years although I grew up with him right from the 60's. 

His heaven is probably being the towel boy at Boys Town, he's hell would be being the towel boy at the YWCA. OK, I know the guy just passed, and it is a tragedy. I get by with a little humor so shoot me., otherwise if you ever laughed at an MJ joke, don't be a hypocrite now.

Understandable, and to each their own, but it just seems...condescending a bit.

Be well, ~Alderic

I disagreed with you in the past KFC, but this is the first time you've just been flat dead wrong.

*Everyone* thinks about what happens after they die (not including young kids of course).   They just don't all come to the same conclusion you do.

actually kfc....i remember well when jerry falwell died, and you had absolutely no "wonder" or questions about where jerry was. in fact, on May 15, 2007 you said "i know jerry is celebrating right now" and credited it to the virtuous life you percieve that he has lived.

and while i don't think you are "celebrating his death" like some were when jerry died, i'm not sure that you are being entirely balanced here. reading this "tribute" and reading the jerry falwell "tribute" it is clear who's side you are on.

Sean, there is a big difference between Falwell and Jackson.  Falwell spoke about Christ every single day.  He led others to Christ every single day.  His whole life was focused on Christ. 

I spent alot of time at Jerry's church and University.  I have no doubt where Jerry is.  This man, lived, breathed and loved the name of Christ. 

I have not said one way or another where Jackson is spending eternity.  I don't know.  I didn't see any indication that he was living for Christ tho.  So I could guess.  I can only judge the fruit.  I can't judge his faith or lack thereof.   That's not being unbalanced.  That's being truthful. 

My opinion is that Jackson was very very talented.  He could have given God so much glory with his gift.  I don't see that he did that.  One things for sure.  He's in eternity now and I believe that means he is somewhere.  Now, it's between he and his maker. 

I don't think so.  I think some push it off until it's either too late or they just didn't get around to it.  You can't say "everyone"

Most people think they are invincible.  Most don't think that today could be their last day on earth. 

well, you may have no doubt. but that doesn't mean that others have different opinions. 

and as far as jackson goes, he was a pretty devout jehovah witness. take that for what it's worth. he was also pretty philanthropic, some say too philanthropic. he has been recognized around the world for his benevolence, especially for children. 

and where i'm not a big personal fan, i do know his music pretty well. and for the most part, i was pretty positive and good. 

as far as the charges that were alleged against him, i honestly have no idea. there were cases to be made on both sides. if someone held a gun to my head and demanded an opinion, i'd have to say i thought he was more eccentric and sometimes had an "arrested childhood development" thing about him more than i believe he ever molested any kids. but in this mixed up crazy world, anything's possible. 

and as far as "everyone" thinkin bout the afterlife. i think at least most people do. to say "everyone" might be hyperbolic, but i think you might be sellin some other folk short kfc. 

but opinions vary.

Whatever you think they are.

About Falwell?  Of course.  Opinions vary widely.  I'd have to ask tho, what are you basing your opinions on?  When I say that I believe JF went to heaven I'm basing it on the words of Christ and the scriptures which say that you can know a tree by the fruit it bears.   When one confesses Christ with his lips and believes in his heart that he was raised from the dead, he will be saved.  Jerry confessed this daily in both word and actions.   He spent his life furthering the gospel.  Granted, he wasn't well received by the secular world but neither was Jesus accepted by the secular world in his day either.  Two things here......either we set out to please man, or God.   Which did what?  Who  pleased God?  Who pleased man?   

He was in his earlier days but not sure if it spilled into his adulthood.  I'm very very familiar with this religion and if I didn't know it I'd never have guessed he was a JW.  I'm sure the JW's didn't appreciate Michael telling people (if he did) that he was a JW.  He didn't follow them or their tenants very well if he was.  As far as giving away money, that doesn't make one diff in where you spend eternity.  If it was based on this criteria then the rich stand a better shot than the rest of us, because then they could just buy their way into heaven.  I think he was probably a very kind, meek man.  Everything I've heard about him seems to indicate that.  But again, that doesn't gain entrance into heaven either. 

It's not about what you do, but about who you know. 

I actually saw something that made me sad about this on the news this morning.  In an interview with the dad the soundbite they brought to us was about him saying how his son was very very famous.  He went on to elaborate about Michael's fame and talent and how he was the most famous in the world.  I thought that to be a sad eulogy from a dad.  I mean, it seems as tho he was showing the world his conditional love for his son.  Nothing about love or the fact that he misses his son.  Michael had issues with his dad (and I could see why when I saw this today)  and I'm sure that had a lot to do with his eccentric and arrested childhood development. 

I don't know, haven't been there yet. 

kfc...we'll just have to agree to disagree here. lots of your info is innacurate above, and i don't even know where to start with it. 

and actually, the JW church bragged about him...they are the reason i know he's a witness. and actually, michael disassociated himself with them a few years back...that report i never did hear till after i wrote above. rumor has it that he "converted to islam" but no one ever verified it and there ae some reports refuting it. 

but anyway..to me, whatever lil club he belonged to is kinda irrelevant to me. the God i know doesn't care much either. if his heart was in the right place will probably matter more...and quite frankly, neither of us truly know that about anyone but ourselves. 

but to some, dogma and other crap is everything...knock yourself out...see ya in heaven if ya make the trip.