I Didn't Think So Until Today
Published on April 23, 2009 By KFC Kickin For Christ In Democrat

"According to the U.S. government, I am an extremist.  I am a Christian and meet regularly with other Christians to study God's word.  My faith convinces me the prophecies in the Holy Bible are true.  I believe in the sanctity of human life, oppose abortion, and want to preserve marriage as the union of a man and a woman." 

Wow!  While I would like to take credit for the above quote because it's exactly what I could say as well, I can't.  This was written by Oliver North in this week's paper.  He went on to say some very alarming things about what's going on in our Federal government. 

"I am a Veteran with skills and knowledge derived from military training and combat.  I own several firearms and I frequently shoot them,  buy ammunition, and consider efforts to infringe on my Second Amendment rights to be wrong and unconstitutional. 

I fervently support the sovereignty of the United States, and I am deeply concerned about our economy, increasingly higher taxes, illegal immigration, soaring unemployment, and actions by our government that will bury my children beneath a mountain of debt. 

Apparently, all this makes me a "right wing extremist."  At least that's what it says in the April 7 "Assessment" issued by the Office of Intelligence and Analysis at the Department of Homeland Security.  The nine-page report, titled "Right wing Extremism:  Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment," is full of warnings about American citizens who share any part of my background or subscribe to the beliefs above.  It is one of the most alarming documents produced by our government that I have ever read. 

Evidently neither you nor I ever was suppoed to read this "Assessment."  At the bottom of the cover page is a warning that it is "not to be released to the public, the media, or other personnel who do not have a valid need-to-know." 

He goes on to say that law enforcement will be notified about our "right wing extremist" views as soon as we're found out.  How many remember Obama making mention of a Federal Police force?    It was one of those very quickly, passed by the media,  forgotten campaign promise.  Why would we need a Federal Police Force? 

Now it makes sense. 

North goes on to report:

"Though the report proffers a passing reference to the First Amendment, it is replete with bias against conservative thought, writing and communications.  On Page 3, the law enforcement authorities are warned "Right wing extremist chatter on the Internet continues to focus on the economy, the perceived (emphasis added) loss of U.S. jobs in the manufacturing and construction sectors, and home foreclosures." 

"That is a frightening acknowledgement that political speech is being monitored in America.  It is also wrong.  It's not "perception."  It is fact.  According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the manufacturing and construction sectors have lost 161,000 jobs and 126,000 jobs, respectively, last month alone." 

So what do you think the chances are that the President will distance himself from thie report publicly and fire the officials behind this? 

You can check the link for the complete article.  He ends the whole article with"

"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice."  Barry Goldwater

 

 


Comments (Page 1)
on Apr 23, 2009

I think my definition of extremism was better.

~Zoo

on Apr 23, 2009

It seems these days that anyone that actually cares about what is going on in our government, and refuses to be spoonfed mainstream media bs, is an extremist. 

Only those that live their lives in the delusion that our country is perfectly fine, our economy is in a temporary dip, and our government can be trusted, are the ones that aren't considered extremists.

It kind of reminds me of the society in "V for Vendetta," which is how, I feel, we are slowly becoming.   

on Apr 23, 2009

It seems these days that anyone that actually cares about what is going on in our government, and refuses to be spoonfed mainstream media bs, is an extremist.

Only those that live their lives in the delusion that our country is perfectly fine, our economy is in a temporary dip, and our government can be trusted, are the ones that aren't considered extremists.

It kind of reminds me of the society in "V for Vendetta," which is how, I feel, we are slowly becoming.

 

Perhaps, I think we're going to need a revolution. Maybe the people will get their heads out of their behinds concerning the us/them mentality. It's *that* mentality that brought us to this point.

 

~KFC~

Anyone remember the adage: United we stand, divided we fall?  Guess what...

 

~A

 

 

on Apr 23, 2009

Btw, as for the reports about the big bad terrorists...guess what, what goes around comes around, it seems everyone is getting their share of being called a terrorist.

 

http://www.osti.gov/bridge/servlets/purl/780410-SHVVvq/native/780410.PDF

 

Woohoo, lets get those extremists! 

on Apr 23, 2009

Addendum:

 

Oh, and look! Oh my great cheesy pants, look at this snippet of that report. Which was done during the Bush administration mind you.

 

"Leftist extremists are very active for a decade or more, and as
they fade, right-wing extremists become active. During the late 1960s to the middle
1980s, leftist extremism was the greatest threat in the United States. From the mid-1980s
to the present, the major threat of domestic terrorism has been primarily from right-wing
extremists."

 

Now, where was the outrage then?

 

I'm also interested in something. Those who are outraged at that report, which is according to them, labeling right wingers as terrorists. Do you want the truth or PC rhetoric?

 

on Apr 23, 2009

"Leftist extremists are very active for a decade or more, and as
they fade, right-wing extremists become active. During the late 1960s to the middle
1980s, leftist extremism was the greatest threat in the United States. From the mid-1980s
to the present, the major threat of domestic terrorism has been primarily from right-wing
extremists."

I think that right-wing extremists are viewed as such threats because they are usually very religious, and would rather depend on their god, or others of their religion, than on the government, whether the government at the time is liberal or conservative.  (Think of the FLDS church, and other such groups.)  This could be cause for concern if addressing national loyalty. 

I read the report, and while much of the wording is mild, the general idea seems to be that if you are concerned about immigration, weapon restrictions, abortion, the economy, then you may be labeled as a right wing extremist.

If you want to read the article, it is linked to this website.  http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/04/12/homeland-security-document-targets-most-conservatives-and-libertarians-in-the-country/

  (For some reason a direct link wont work for me.)

 

on Apr 23, 2009

Silver_and_Jade_Tears

"Leftist extremists are very active for a decade or more, and as
they fade, right-wing extremists become active. During the late 1960s to the middle
1980s, leftist extremism was the greatest threat in the United States. From the mid-1980s
to the present, the major threat of domestic terrorism has been primarily from right-wing
extremists."
I think that right-wing extremists are viewed as such threats because they are usually very religious, and would rather depend on their god, or others of their religion, than on the government, whether the government at the time is liberal or conservative.  (Think of the FLDS church, and other such groups.)  This could be cause for concern if addressing national loyalty. 

I read the report, and while much of the wording is mild, the general idea seems to be that if you are concerned about immigration, weapon restrictions, abortion, the economy, then you may be labeled as a right wing extremist.

If you want to read the article, it is linked to this website.  http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/04/12/homeland-security-document-targets-most-conservatives-and-libertarians-in-the-country/

  (For some reason a direct link wont work for me.)

 

 

I'm not denying the validity of the report, nor denying how absurd it was. My point was: It has and will happen to both, wings, so to speak. It just seems stupid that people are in an uproar about this, when it happened before and no one was concerned. It's ridiculous really.

on Apr 23, 2009

Perhaps, I think we're going to need a revolution. Maybe the people will get their heads out of their behinds concerning the us/them mentality. It's *that* mentality that brought us to this point.

Ooooooh, look, you can be labeled a right-wing extremist too.  A revolution is "anti-government."  Naughty naughty Alderic. 

on Apr 23, 2009

My point was: It has and will happen to both, wings, so to speak. It just seems stupid that people are in an uproar about this, when it happened before and no one was concerned. It's ridiculous really.

I think there are a few different things that factor into this; 

1- The economy.  The bailouts seem to have causes much mistrust in the government by those who previously would accept everything the government said, or did.  When you have no money, and hear the word "billions" in relation to the government rescuing monstrous companies, it is likely to awaken a sort of resentment for the government as a whole.

2- Media.  People are influenced by what they believe is going on around them, and the constant barrage of what they see and hear.  While the daily news capitalizing on negativity is nothing new, there seems to be a large increase in movies that express an apocalyptic/end of world type of feeling, for instance, the movie "Numbers," or "The Day the Earth Stood Still," etc.  Not only movies, but the whole belief that something may happen in 2012. 

 There are also increasing amounts of mainstream musicians that question our government through their music, Linkin Park, NIN, and the Flobots, and that can validate our doubts and fears of the government that the economy, and bailouts, have awoken.

When you mix a bad economy with media that revolves around the end of the world, and begin to look at our corrupted government, there is a perception change among people, and perception is reality.

A report like this validates people's fears about the state of our country, and even, our world.

 

 

on Apr 23, 2009

I've had my eye on getting an H&K USC recently. Granted, I know that I don't have a license (I'm pretty sure it counts as a handgun under my state regulations, and handguns need a license here), and I'm not old enough yet, but it'd make a liberal cry.

on Apr 23, 2009

Silver_and_Jade_Tears

Perhaps, I think we're going to need a revolution. Maybe the people will get their heads out of their behinds concerning the us/them mentality. It's *that* mentality that brought us to this point.
Ooooooh, look, you can be labeled a right-wing extremist too.  A revolution is "anti-government."  Naughty naughty Alderic. 

 

Darn straight, heh.

 

Silver_and_Jade_Tears

My point was: It has and will happen to both, wings, so to speak. It just seems stupid that people are in an uproar about this, when it happened before and no one was concerned. It's ridiculous really.
I think there are a few different things that factor into this; 

1- The economy.  The bailouts seem to have causes much mistrust in the government by those who previously would accept everything the government said, or did.  When you have no money, and hear the word "billions" in relation to the government rescuing monstrous companies, it is likely to awaken a sort of resentment for the government as a whole.

2- Media.  People are influenced by what they believe is going on around them, and the constant barrage of what they see and hear.  While the daily news capitalizing on negativity is nothing new, there seems to be a large increase in movies that express an apocalyptic/end of world type of feeling, for instance, the movie "Numbers," or "The Day the Earth Stood Still," etc.  Not only movies, but the whole belief that something may happen in 2012. 

 There are also increasing amounts of mainstream musicians that question our government through their music, Linkin Park, NIN, and the Flobots, and that can validate our doubts and fears of the government that the economy, and bailouts, have awoken.

When you mix a bad economy with media that revolves around the end of the world, and begin to look at our corrupted government, there is a perception change among people, and perception is reality.

A report like this validates people's fears about the state of our country, and even, our world.

 

 

 

Agreed

on Apr 24, 2009

If this is the Oliver North who was heavily involved with the Contras in Nicaragua, he's not just an extremist, but he's helped to fund terrorism in the past too.

You may take some comfort in knowing, KFC, that by being a literalist you are by definition an extremist. It doesn't mean you're a bad person, but anyone who lives exactly according to the words of a book - whether that's the Bible, the Quran, or even the Little Red Book - is an extreme sort of person. As they believe the book contains all the answers to life, they have no need for anything else, and that can be stretched to include other people. It can - and I'm not saying this necessarily applies to you - but it can have a strong dehumanising aspect.

Religious extremism is familiar, but the lack of compromise can make it dangerous to the body politic if it gets too much control - eg when it happened in Iran, or the eventual fate of the Vatican states, or nearly any communist state.

on Apr 24, 2009

You may take some comfort in knowing, KFC, that by being a literalist you are by definition an extremist. It doesn't mean you're a bad person, but anyone who lives exactly according to the words of a book - whether that's the Bible, the Quran, or even the Little Red Book - is an extreme sort of person.

Yes I can see that as well.  I take it as a compliment though not as a bad thing.  I'm hoping others see in me Christ as I follow him.  It's all about Him and not about me.  I used to be somewhat more about the do's and don'ts but have matured and gotten past that and can see it's not about that at all really.  It's all about giving back to God with a willing heart because of what he's done for me. 

As they believe the book contains all the answers to life, they have no need for anything else, and that can be stretched to include other people.

well that's not supposed to be the case.....that indeed is extreme.  While the good book is and should be our manual for everyday living, people are important to us and to God.  God uses people to accomplish his will.  That's why the church was set up.  The whole reason for the meeting together is not only to worship God but to edify each other.  As more and more secular and less and less bible believers are taking over the churches, we are forgetting these things. 

Religious extremism is familiar, but the lack of compromise can make it dangerous to the body politic if it gets too much control - eg when it happened in Iran, or the eventual fate of the Vatican states, or nearly any communist state.

Yes, agreed.  My biblical beliefs are not necessarily tied to any religion per se.  My biblical belief is that I've been set free from all of that and want to see others set free as well.  So I'm pretty far away from real extremism when it comes to forcing anyone to do anything.  Mostly because I know....it's not about me.

I've never gone to rallys or held a sign in my hand or paced in front of an abortion clinic.  I'm not into that nor would I see Christ (the one I follow) do such a thing.  I don't necessarily think God is all that pleased with these things.  But maybe it's because I'm just not led and others are? 

God  said, speak out, give out the truth and if they accept it, fine you've gained a brother.  If not, kick the dirt off your feet and move on.  That's my philosophy as well.  I believe in more the grass roots approach more than anything.  One soul at a time.  Show them the truth and if they accept they will also be set free.  "The truth will set you free." 

The government is doing just the opposite.  They are working on enslaving us more and more everyday. 

The thing about compromise is that as the world gets further and further away from God and his ideals the bigger the gap will be for Christians and the secular.  It's going to get harder and harder to compromise because there is just some things we can't compromise on without messing with the truth. 

 

on Apr 24, 2009

The bailouts seem to have causes much mistrust in the government by those who previously would accept everything the government said, or did

Finally people are waking up.  Maybe, just maybe, the next mid term election will bear fruit and many of the bad fruit trees will be hewn down.  There's a whole of pruning that needs to be done. 

While the daily news capitalizing on negativity is nothing new, there seems to be a large increase in movies that express an apocalyptic/end of world type of feeling, for instance, the movie "Numbers," or "The Day the Earth Stood Still," etc. Not only movies, but the whole belief that something may happen in 2012.

We just watched a new movie now out called "Knowing" with Nicolas Cage.  It was pretty good and along this same theme. 

I happen to believe we are entering into a last day scenerio.  Not just because I'm jumping on any bandwagon.  If you could, I'd tell you to question those around me.  I've been preaching alot of this since I was a kid and started reading the bible prophecies and commentators  way back in the 70's when we didn't have a hint or notion that these things could really happen.  It wasn't set up back then to be a reality even tho many still predicted the "end of the world" stuff.  The computers for one thing were just starting to be utilized at a very basic level.  It's like everything is rapidly moving in that direction now.  One world order.  One world government.  One world economy.  This is all predicted and never before our time could we even hint of this becoming a reality.  Revelation 17 & 18 is all about this with the whore of Babylon (false corrupted religion) riding the back of government (anti-Christ) until the AC shakes her off his back. 

Obama is using the bad ecomony to entirely turn this country in another direction.  He's making decisions and putting people in places that we would never have agreed to before.  But because of the situation he's getting away with it because people think there's no other way.  If they just let certain companies fail and let the economy take care of itself, things would have corrected all by itself  Now we're in a bigger mess with no end in sight. 

A report like this validates people's fears about the state of our country, and even, our world.

Yes it sure does. 

on Apr 24, 2009

Anyone remember the adage: United we stand, divided we fall? Guess what...

well tell that to Obama......who didn't even know anything (so he says) about the tea parties all over kingdom come.  Hundreds of thousands all making their voices heard through impassioned speeches and signs and the White House had no such knowledge? 

tell that to Obama who went to Europe and dissed America calling us arrogant and other such terms recently.  I wouldn't exactly say he was uniting Americans here. 

He's not in touch with the common people.  Planting a garden and having an easter egg hunt is not doing it in my book. 

 

 

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