Not Quite As Bad As He Thought
Published on April 23, 2009 By KFC Kickin For Christ In Current Events

Two of my three sons attended Liberty University.   This is the largest Christian University in the world founded in 1971 by Jerry Falwell.  They had a great education and both ran in the Division 1 Track and X-Country programs.  They met lifelong friends and have good memories attending Liberty. One met the woman who would later become his wife.  Both came out even stronger in their faith than when they left home at 18. 

So I was very interested today when a friend sent me this news article.   Pretty interesting considering how the University is usually portrayed in the very liberal media.  I actually thought this was a good idea for both sides of the fence.   Here it is. 

 

Kevin Roose managed to blend in during his single semester at Liberty University, attending lectures on the myth of evolution and the sin of homosexuality, and joining fellow students on a mission trip to evangelize partyers on spring break.

Roose had transferred to the Virginia campus from Brown University in Providence, a famously liberal member of the Ivy League. His Liberty classmates knew about the switch, but he kept something more important hidden: He planned to write a book about his experience at the school founded by fundamentalist preacher Jerry Falwell.

Each conversation about salvation or hand-wringing debate about premarital sex was unwitting fodder for Roose's recently published book: "The Unlikely Disciple: A Sinner's Semester at America's Holiest University."

"As a responsible American citizen, I couldn't just ignore the fact that there are a lot of Christian college students out there," said Roose, 21, now a Brown senior. "If I wanted my education to be well-rounded, I had to branch out and include these people that I just really had no exposure to."

Formed in 1971, Liberty now enrolls more than 11,000 residential students, along with thousands more who study through Liberty's distance-learning programs. The university teaches creationism and that the Bible is the inerrant word of God, while pledging "a strong commitment to political conservatism" on campus and a "total rejection of socialism."

Roose's parents, liberal Quakers who once worked for Ralph Nader, were nervous about their son being exposed to Falwell's views. Still, Roose transferred to Liberty for the spring 2007 semester.

He was determined to not mock the school, thinking it would be too easy _ and unfair. He aimed to immerse himself in the culture, examine what conservative Christians believe and see if he could find some common ground. He had less weighty questions too: How did they spend Friday nights? Did they use Facebook? Did they go on dates? Did they watch "Gossip Girl?"

It wasn't an easy transition. Premarital sex is an obvious no-no at Liberty. So are smoking and drinking. Cursing is also banned, so he prepared by reading the Christian self-help book, "30 Days to Taming Your Tongue."

He lined up a publisher - Grand Central Publishing - and arrived at the Lynchburg campus prepared for "hostile ideologues who spent all their time plotting abortion clinic protests and sewing Hillary Clinton voodoo dolls."

Instead, he found that "not only are they not that, but they're rigorously normal."

He met students who use Bible class to score dates, apply to top law schools and fret about their futures, and who enjoy gossip, hip-hop and R-rated movies - albeit in a locked dorm room.

A roommate he depicts as aggressively anti-gay - all names are changed in the book - is an outcast on the hall, not a role model.

Yet, some students also grilled him about his relationship with Jesus and condemned non-believers to hell.

After a gunman at Virginia Tech killed 32 people in April 2007, a Liberty student said the deaths paled next to the millions of abortions worldwide - a comment Roose says infuriated him.

Roose researched the school by joining as many activites as possible. He accompanied classmates on a spring break missionary trip to Daytona Beach. He visited a campus support group for chronic masturbators, where students were taught to curb impure thoughts. And he joined the choir at Falwell's Thomas Road Baptist Church.

Roose scored an interview with the preacher for the school newspaper, right before Falwell died in May of that year. Roose decided against confronting him over his views on liberals, gays and other hot-button topics, and instead learned about the man himself, discovering among other things that the pastor loved diet peach Snapple and the TV show "24."

Roose would duck away to the bathroom to scribble down anecdotes or record them during lectures. He never blew his cover, even ending a blossoming romantic relationship rather than come clean. He revealed the truth on a return trip to campus. He grappled with guilt during the entire project, but said he ultimately found forgiveness from students for his deception.

"If he told me he was writing an expose or maybe if the book turned out to be what I considered unfair, then I might have been more troubled," said Brian Colas, a former Liberty student body president who befriended Roose.

The university administration has been less receptive. Chancellor Jerry Falwell Jr. said in a statement that Roose had a "distorted view" of Liberty before he arrived and gave an incomplete portrait of the school.

"We appreciate Kevin's generally positive tone toward LU but he admittedly comes from a culture that has very little tolerance for conservative Christianity and even less understanding of it," Falwell said.

Roose said his Liberty experience transformed him in surprising ways.

When he first returned to Brown, he'd be shocked by the sight of a gay couple holding hands - then be shocked at his own reaction. He remains stridently opposed to Falwell's worldview, but he also came to understand Falwell's appeal.

Once ambivalent about faith, Roose now prays to God regularly _ for his own well-being and on behalf of others. He said he owns several translations of the Bible and has recently been rereading meditations from the Gospel of John on using love and compassion to solve cultural conflicts.

He's even considering joining a church.


Comments
on Apr 23, 2009

Interesting. I guess your point is that some people tend to have opinions about things they probably don't understand and have never bothered to understand in the first place. It's what I tend to point out that people tend to have opinions about things they never bothered to educate themselves about. Politics is one of them.

Interesting story KFC.

on Apr 23, 2009

CharlesCS


Interesting. I guess your point is that some people tend to have opinions about things they probably don't understand and have never bothered to understand in the first place. It's what I tend to point out that people tend to have opinions about things they never bothered to educate themselves about. Politics is one of them.
Interesting story KFC.

 

Now if everyone, liberal, conservative, purple and black, could take that lesson up. That and maybe an ounce of compassion too. No more hate, no more violence. We have enough.

 

 

~A

on Apr 23, 2009

the myth of evolution

What the f$#%?

That's a class?  Holy s%#!...

Well that university will never garner any respect from me.  A myth?  Hard science is portrayed as a f*$&ing myth!  Hah!  Do they have a lecture on the myth of gravity too? 

I'd hate to see how much ignorance is being spread in that lecture.

Wait I think this is the final exam:

Evolution is ____

A. A lie

B. A myth

C. A secular fabrication

D. A, B, and C

E. A valid theory with years of research and evidence backing it up and not some crazy conspiracy dreamed up by fundamentalist Christians in order to defend their faith because the Bible is not a literal work.

 

Guess I'd fail that one...with honor.

~Zoo

on Apr 24, 2009

The university teaches creationism and that the Bible is the inerrant word of God, while pledging "a strong commitment to political conservatism" on campus and a "total rejection of socialism."

Here's my problem with this-

An educational institution that actively promotes a specific political and religious message.

The three DO NOT belong together at all.

You can have an educational institute that studies religion and politics, but when actively promoting one over another "an absolute rejection of socialism" and the fact that the bible is the "inerrant word of God"

It stops being a school and becomes an indoctrination center.

Just as madrassas are indoctrination centers in certain Muslim countries, this is the Christian equivalent.

on Apr 26, 2009

This is the largest Christian University in the world founded in 1971 by Jerry Falwell.  

Sorry, have to have a qualm here - this statement is ONLY true because of its second part - it's the largest Christian University that happened to be formed by Jerry Falwell - because there is at least one I can think of that's over double the size of Liberty -

Brigham Young University, student body around 34.000, opposed to Liberty's paltry 14.000.

But then, those damned Mormons aren't Christians, are they?

on Apr 27, 2009

Interesting story KFC.

I thought so and found it interesting that he came away with a much diff viewpoint than he expected......a viewpoint that would have been more like Zoo's probably to begin with.  I think he actually respected what he saw.  It's a very good University unlike what the media would portray. 

What is unsettling though is the fact that this ivy leaguer pretended to be someone he was not.  It was all based on lies and sneaking around.  So he really was misrepresenting who he really was.  THink about it......he put himself in the Choir as an unbeliever.....he evangelized on spring break........he dated a girl taking advantage of her trust.....etc.

My son told me that he had met a few non-Christians attending Liberty when he was there for the sole purpose of meeting girls.  They would tell my son that the Christian girls were more of an easy prey because they were so trusting.  Think about that. 

Athesits and homosexuals have also gone to Liberty for the sole purpose of trying to take it down by infiltrating it.  Sounds like Satan has his spies working overtime to me.  I know while my son was there some homosexuals were kicked out and there was one scandal involving homosexual activity. 

That's a class?

no that's not what he said and it's not a class.  He said he attended a lecture and the topic probably had to do with evolution vs creationism and yes they would call evolution when it comes to origins a myth (I know what you're going to say about origins but it flows out of this)   Just like I do.  It's not like they toss out everything when it comes to evolution you know.  It's some of the evidences the evolutionists come up with that just so happens to not be accepted by the creationists.  They look at the evidence and believe a creator was responsible and take a different approach.  Go check out that museum in KY/OH and you'll see what I mean. 

The liberty Science program is a very very good program.  Math (I've heard)....not so good.  In fact, when my son aced everything as a post-grad (even as a creationist believer) at  two major secular Universities one of the Ph.D's (out of 8)  who gave my son his oral exam wanted to know what Liberty was doing because my son knew more about the workings of Science than any other student he had tested so far.  He couldn't believe my son came out of Liberty but was able to do this well in a secular university as a grad student.  In fact he said something to the effect of...."we need to find out what kind of program Liberty has over there because this kid knows more than the kids coming out of the secular universities." 

He's in a very very secular surrounding, as you probably can guess, and yet even after years involved in the Science world is still a Creationist.  Imagine that. 

An educational institution that actively promotes a specific political and religious message.

It stops being a school and becomes an indoctrination center.

no more than any other college does.  Are you telling me the liberal colleges don't have their own indoctrination centers going on?  No liberal agendas?  Are you kidding me? 

Liberty preaches adherence to the bible. Their mission statement would center around scripture.  It just so happens that these beliefs run counter to the culture right now and is being politicized.  For instance, abortion and homosexuality both are moral issues.  So are you saying Liberty should stay out of moral issues altogether especially in their bible classes?  If so, what about the liberal colleges who are promoting these same issues to the contrary? 

But then, those damned Mormons aren't Christians, are they?

When I was a Mormon they never described themselves as being Christians....only Mormons. 

So maybe that's why it's called the biggest Evangelical Christian College?  I mean that's why this kid went there becaise of that very reason.  BYU is basically a Mormon college.  Liberty has Mormons that go to their college along with, I would imagine, every religion out there as they represent many different races and religions.  I meet people of many diff nationalities and religious beliefs whenever I go there. 

I know it was Jerry's dream for his college to go to 50,000 enrollment.  Liberty has more than 14,000 when you take into consideration their distance program which is getting bigger and bigger every year. 

on Apr 27, 2009

 

 

no more than any other college does. Are you telling me the liberal colleges don't have their own indoctrination centers going on? No liberal agendas? Are you kidding me?

Liberty preaches adherence to the bible. Their mission statement would center around scripture. It just so happens that these beliefs run counter to the culture right now and is being politicized. For instance, abortion and homosexuality both are moral issues. So are you saying Liberty should stay out of moral issues altogether especially in their bible classes? If so, what about the liberal colleges who are promoting these same issues to the contrary?

 

Personally, Liberty doesn't come across as a school that would promote using your mind, as in thinking critically. I mean, if you're going to have an open mind, and think critically - it should be done with being taught *everything*. That way, you can disect it and decide which you think is more credible. That's what a college/university should do. Personally, I feel that liberal schools are more inclined toward that.

I think Liberty should do what it says it does: Teach. Educated.

 

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on Apr 27, 2009

Personally, Liberty doesn't come across as a school that would promote using your mind, as in thinking critically.

How do you know?  Been there? 

I feel that liberal schools are more inclined toward that.

and I feel.....by experience and being around alot longer than you.....they're not.  So who's right? 

I think Liberty should do what it says it does: Teach. Educated.

and I think you not only didn't pay attention to what this Ivy Leaguer came away with or you're not listening to what I'm saying either. 

In fact, they do teach and educate.  It's the liberals who are NOT doing this. 

Take that Perez Hilton as an example.  He had no room for Miss CA's answer.  She gave the wrong answer because it wasn't PC.  She wasn't shutting him up.  He was trying to shut her up.   That's the same with the liberal colleges.  There's no room for debate unless the debate is in one direction.  Theirs.  It's not the same at Liberty.  You read what this kid found out about the gay basher roommate.  Even though Liberty wouldn't support a gay agenda, they also have no desire to bash anyone and this kid was put in his place.   Even though he strongly supported an anti-homosexual agenda.  That's being objective. 

That wouldn't have happened in a Liberal classroom.  In fact, if you are a Christian in a Liberal School, you basically are wise to keep your mouth shut.  That's what my son does.  He went to 5 years at Liberty and is is finishing his 4th year at a top notch secular grad school. 

Tell ya what AJ....why don't you spend one semester at Liberty and come back and tell us what you saw.  Go ahead.  But just be yourself. 

I'm going to Liberty in May.  I'll give them your regards. 

 

on Apr 27, 2009

How do you know? Been there?

 

Have you?

First off, You say you're going there, so in essence you have yet to. So I think really neither one of us can say, with evidence and all, that that is the case. 

 

Secondly, please take my entire comment in context.

 

and I feel.....by experience and being around alot longer than you.....they're not. So who's right?

 

With all due respect, that's your opinion KFC. I admit, you've been around longer; however, I was taught one thing by my mother - age does not equal wisdom, and wisdom does not equal knowledge. Certainly, you know more about the bible than I, and you know more about some things than I because you've been around. - that doesn't make you infalliable or unopen to skepticism and questioning. You could be wrong, you could be right.

 

Take that Perez Hilton as an example. He had no room for Miss CA's answer. She gave the wrong answer because it wasn't PC. She wasn't shutting him up. He was trying to shut her up. That's the same with the liberal colleges. There's no room for debate unless the debate is in one direction. Theirs. It's not the same at Liberty. You read what this kid found out about the gay basher roommate. Even though Liberty wouldn't support a gay agenda, they also have no desire to bash anyone and this kid was put in his place. Even though he strongly supported an anti-homosexual agenda. That's being objective.

That wouldn't have happened in a Liberal classroom. In fact, if you are a Christian in a Liberal School, you basically are wise to keep your mouth shut. That's what my son does. He went to 5 years at Liberty and is is finishing his 4th year at a top notch secular grad school.

 

Bullhokey. You are using one man, as an example. You are using cherry picked cases to support your case. You son has made his decision, but his decision does not make your claim true. Honestly, I suspect his bias. He's obviously been told that the big bad liberal is going to beat him down if he disagrees.[/sarcasm]

 

My point on the educate, and teach - is that if they are intent on truly educating and being a school - then they would include all sides of the argument, not what they want. An ignorant man knows no truth.

And you know what, I would love to; when I was reading it I considered looking into attending. I'm not sure what I would do, but I am seriously looking into it. I am also going to be purchasing his book. You?

 

~A

 

 

on Apr 27, 2009

Here is an idea KFC.

Since I've stated that I am interested in and will pursue information on, attending Liberty University - how about you do the same for the most liberal college in the United States. Go and attend classes for an entire semester, and then come back and tell me - now truly with experience and authority - that classes are biased, and dissent is muffled.

 

Or, if travel is a concern, here are some of the most left wing, liberal colleges in the United States; you might find one closer to where you live.

 

Agreed?

on Apr 27, 2009

Have you?

First off, You say you're going there, so in essence you have yet to. So I think really neither one of us can say, with evidence and all, that that is the case.

Yes.  I've been going back and forth to and from Liberty since 1999.  I'll be there in two weeks when I visit my son who lives in Lynchburg. 

Did you NOT read the very first sentence of this blog? ??????

Also, I have a diploma from LU from taking their  two year bible program from their Home Bible Institute. 

I'd love to see you go there at least one semester AJ and get back to me.  I've sent many young kids in the direction over the years and they've thanked me for it later.  They absolutely love it there.  The place is absolutely amazing.  They love the "no" peer pressure to do things they're just not ready to do and that they can be themselves without fear of reprisals. 

Maybe I can get one of them on here to say something to you.  I'll see.  I'm thinking of Matt who just went this past year after fighting the fact that he wanted to go to a big party school in the NE.  His mother and I kind of talked him into it or at least trying it for a year.  He absolutely loves it there and has immersed himself into it full force.  Just like every other kid I've known who goes there.  Of course there's no drinking or drugging aloud.  They will kick you out if caught with substances like that.  They run a clean campus. 

In fact I heard recently since Liberty is totally debt free.....they have lowered their tuition rates because of the economy. 

Since I've stated that I am interested in and will pursue information on, attending Liberty University - how about you do the same for the most liberal college in the United States. Go and attend classes for an entire semester, and then come back and tell me - now truly with experience and authority - that classes are biased, and dissent is muffled.

first of all I don't have to because I've been involved in both.  Tova's going there now and reports back now and then and I think ......no thanks.  I think I would self destruct because I won't be shut up.   Besides all that remember not only did I, my husband and my kids go to secular government schools for most of our educations all of our extended families did as well.  So I know the differences between the schools.   You really do not.  It would be fun for you to just try it and see the diff. 

My eldest son went to (and is finishing up) two liberal colleges for his post grad Ph.D program.  So he went to Liberty for 5 years and then will have spent 4 years in a liberal college environment.  His learning was not compromised in either.  He got a great head start from Liberty and it's taken him quite far.  Liberty has some of the best professors in the country from what I've heard. 

They even built a brand new exact replica of the Supreme Court. No other school has done that.   Exactly as if you walked into the S.C.  Why?  So the new lawyers coming out of the law school at LU will feel comfortable when they get there. 

 

on Apr 27, 2009

Yes. I've been going back and forth to and from Liberty since 1999. I'll be there in two weeks when I visit my son who lives in Lynchburg.

Did you NOT read the very first sentence of this blog? ??????

Also, I have a diploma from LU from taking their two year bible program from their Home Bible Institute.

I'd love to see you go there at least one semester AJ and get back to me. I've sent many young kids in the direction over the years and they've thanked me for it later. They absolutely love it there. The place is absolutely amazing. They love the "no" peer pressure to do things they're just not ready to do and that they can be themselves without fear of reprisals.

Maybe I can get one of them on here to say something to you. I'll see. I'm thinking of Matt who just went this past year after fighting the fact that he wanted to go to a big party school in the NE. His mother and I kind of talked him into it or at least trying it for a year. He absolutely loves it there and has immersed himself into it full force. Just like every other kid I've known who goes there. Of course there's no drinking or drugging aloud. They will kick you out if caught with substances like that. They run a clean campus.

In fact I heard recently since Liberty is totally debt free.....they have lowered their tuition rates because of the economy.

 

Your first sentence said your SONS attended; not you. Trust me, there is a difference between being a full time student and being a visitor.

Peer pressure? I guess they've got issues in being unable to say no. Personally, when I say no...I mean no. I don't let anyone push me into doing something I don't want to.

 

Secondly, I'll reply further later. I've a thing to get to.