Meeting and Greeting
Published on November 24, 2008 By KFC Kickin For Christ In Blogging

We've been here a year now and still have not settled into a church to call home.  We wish to find a place where we can be useful.  We are able bodied workers who are more than ready to roll our sleeves up and be put to work. 

We started out in one church, stayed there for about 7 months or so and then moved on.  It was clear this church was stagnating and didn't seem to want to go anywhere or do much of anything. They had no children.  Quite often I was the youngest in church on any given Sunday.    We tried to help them seeing many needs but they like it the way it is.   It wasn't being led by the Holy Spirit and to us felt quite dead.  So we moved on. 

We decided to check out a new church every week.  So we drew up a list of about 27 churches and started in one after the other.  It's been quite a learning experience.  We've met so many people along the way as well. 

The first church we went to was like going back to the 1960's.  It was very formal, stiff, seemingly legalistic and cold.  I wrote my husband a note saying, "I'm not liking this place at all."   I think one person said hello to us.

Another church we went to was quite full.  It wasn't a big church but it was well attended.   The Pastor seemed nice as far as we could tell.   But not one person spoke to us.  Not a word.  They never welcomed visitors at all with any acknowledgment.   So we moved on.

We then went to another church.  They have no Pastor as of yet and the people seemed nice.  It was a big church but sparsely attended.  They have an interim Pastor who was quite the showboat and totally turned us off.  He would break into song and play the piano in the middle of his sermon.  He also seemed to talk an awfully lot about himself.  He also interjected alot of his own opinion into the written word. We'd be there searching the word saying...."it doesn't say that."   But the people seemed very friendly and their greeting of visitors is to be commended.   We moved on.

The next church was very very full.  Full of all older people.  The Pastor was quite old himself but his sermon was pretty good.  It was a very traditional service, as most of the churches are down here.  All hymns, but this group really belted them out.  We liked that.  At least the music wasn't dry and hard to sing.  They all seemed nice but it just wasn't for us. We went out a side door.  I didn't want to shake the Pastor's hand.  He spent the whole sermon wiping his nose on a hankercheif he kept taking out of his pocket.  I mean the whole time.  Blech! 

We went to another church and liked it well enough to try again.  So we went for two weeks but not close together.  The preaching was quite bad.  His theology wasn't quite right. He was contradicting scripture.  The Pastor is quite young and likeable.  We liked him alot but his canned preaching style needs alot of work.  He wasn't preaching his own words but that of another.  This was the first church who bothered to call us and sent us literature in the mail after our visit.  We even had a visitation from one of the couples in the church soon after and we hit it off quite well with them. 

We moved to the next church.  That was this past Sunday.

Boy did it turn out to surprise us. 

My husband found it on the internet while searching out the next town over.  Most of the churches we have attended are featured in the Saturday newspaper.  This one is not.  It was about 20 minutes from the house so we decided to give it a try.  The website said they had no Pastor and were getting speakers each week.

When we drove in at 10:25 for the 10:30 service we thought we were running late.  But we soon found out this church is in no hurry.  As we drove in the word "Redneck" came to my mind.  It was like a little country church in the middle of nowhere.  It was a cute little white church.  It had a connected outbuilding I found out was their fellowship area and I believe their SS classrooms.  The church itself was nothing more than just a plain simple sanctuary.

So we go in to see a very small church seating area.  It had an aisle down the middle with about 50 red padded chairs on either side of the aisle.  The altar area was also small with about a dozen seats behind the pulpit for those in the Choir.  During the service I counted 50 people attending. 

Everyone seemed to be quite friendly with one another.  Seemed almost like a family gathering.  The service turned out to be quite long.  Longer than any we had attended so far anywhere.  Like I said they didn't seem to be in a hurry.  When they had their "meet and greet" time I thought it was never going to end.  It was quite long.  You'd be able to catch up with everyone quite easily in this church if they do this every week.  Many came over to us to welcome us.  Quite friendly. 

Three people went up to the front and gave some sort of a testimony.  One young boy about 17-18 got up.  He was nervous but sure of himself.  He went into his story telling where he had come from and how he arrived at this point today.  As he spoke an older man, a "cowboy" type, leaned forward, putting his face into his hands he started to weep.  It was clear he was very moved by this teen's testimony.  When the boy finished and came down that short aisle, this older man, in his jeans, cowboy boots and suit jacket stood up, grabbed the boy and gave him a "man" hug. 

It was very moving.

Two more ladies got up to speak.  One talked about the Operation Shoebox Ministry that Franklin Graham has.  She reported they filled 37 boxes this year.  I was very impressed.  This small church filled 37 shoeboxes?  Very good. She told us a story about a little boy who received his shoebox last year.  When he opened it up he saw row after row of clean white socks.  That's it.  No candy.  No toys.  Nothing else but three rows of white socks.  When he saw this he started to cry.  A missionary who distributed these boxes felt badly.  She told the boy she would get him another box.  The boy hugged the box to his chest and said no.  He would be keeping this box.  He went on to show this lady his badly burned feet.  He had prayed to God that he would get white socks so he could put his feet into them to comfort and protect them.

As this lady told us the story, she mentioned a name that got my attention.  See, this lady delivered these boxes to another church who was the distrubution center in the area.  While there she met a lady named Carol who told her this story.  It was Carol who I met in August who invited me to go to her church which we already attended.  Carol's church was the one with the preacher who preached badly but we liked him a whole lot.  Both churches are in the same small town.  What a coincidence?  No.  A Godincidence. 

As we were sitting there listening to this precious group of people one by one, we started to actually feel something.  This small, simple, country church has it.  They have the love of God, the love for each other and it just permeated everything.  This is the first time we felt like we could be at home.

Before the service even ended, the older gentleman, who had cried earlier came up to me and whispered in my ear while I was sitting there.  He invited me to their turkey dinner they were having after church.  He actually said "would you please consider staying for dinner with us?"  Before we left many invited us as well.  Very nice. 

So when church ended, it was hard to go.  We talked to many before we even got out the door.   The older man, once again came up to us and asked if we'd come back next week.  It seems as tho they may finally have a Pastor and he's preaching next Sunday.  They are going to ask this guy next week if he will be their Pastor. 

But before we left, he took our phone number so he could contact us especially if this Pastor doesn't accept the invitation.  If he doesn't accept they would like my husband to preach in their little white country church.  We would be honored. 

So now we have to decide.  Which church will be the next?  Should we go back to this little white country church with no fancy bells and whistles or should we continue down our list? 

I won't know until next Saturday night when we decide for sure. 

 

 

 


Comments
on Nov 24, 2008

Dear KFC,

 

I wish you and your husband well.  Finding a good fit can be a bit daunting, I'm sure.  My mother-in-law used to lament, "Too many choices!" Suggesting that fewer choices made one deal with things that too many choices do not provide. Its interesting to me how this works for Christians.  I mean the personal judgements and all regards the "preaching" or the congregation, etc. with the apparently large volume of options, etc.   In our congregation we try to accomodate to a variety of Jewish points of view as we are the only Temple in the city. What I have found is that such a mix's challenges are actually quite a stimulating spiritual experience.  I have learned much from the diversity of practices in our congregation.

Anyway, I hope you find a spiritual home, so to speak.

Shalom.

 

on Nov 24, 2008

They have the love of God, the love for each other and it just permeated everything
  That sounds like a wonderful place to be.  I was sold on my church when I got a hug the first time I visited.  I really needed that hug.    I do think they do a great job of welcoming visitors.  They give them a flower and I always try to say hello if I can. 

on Nov 24, 2008

I would go back for a couple reasons.  (And these are from our experience in small..less than 50 people...churches).

1.  Small churches are sometimes small for a reason.  Meaning, it's more of a "club" than a church and if you find yourself outside their ideas it can get weird.  (We went to one like this for about 6 weeks before they finally felt comfortable enough in front of us to "cut loose" and start blathering in "tongues."  We didn't go back.)

2.  You can't really know if it is Bible based with one visit.  You can tell if it is not usually with one, but it's harder to tell if it is def in the Bible believing camp unless you make several trips.

We experienced a church where they seemed dead on the Word until it came to Baptism.  They were so militant about it that it seemed to overshadow everything else and the church couldn't figure out why it wasn't growing.

We find most churches have their own culture.  You can usually tell after several visits and dinners what that culture is.

Another one we attended was practically perfect but the women all wore long skirts.  I don't mean just on Sunday or when they dressed up.  I mean all the time.  They didn't preach it from the pulpit, they didn't tie it to salvation, they didn't "say" anything to a woman (like me) who wore pants, but it was part of that church's culture.  I couldn't do it.  Sure I coulda stayed and wore whatever I wanted, but why be part of a culture I didn't support?

Anyway, I hope you have found the one!  It is so exciting when you finally find it.  We are over three years here and have a church but it's more of a settle for than a "really love it here" kinda place.

 

on Nov 24, 2008

So what I get from this is that when the church you try doesn't meet your expectations, you keep looking for one that does?

 

That surprises me.  I'd think that someone as pious as you would stay at the one that treated you the most poorly in order to make it better.

 

Hahaha...just kidding.  It doesn't surprise me in the least.

on Nov 24, 2008

We experienced a church where they seemed dead on the Word until it came to Baptism. They were so militant about it that it seemed to overshadow everything else and the church couldn't figure out why it wasn't growing.

yes, I've seen this as well.  Sometimes I can tell just by denomination.  some are very into certain subjects.  Some are "tongues" oriented or "healing"  or "money" or "prophesy" and seem to not be very balanced.  That's why it's so important to find a well balanced church. 

You can't really know if it is Bible based with one visit

well the denomination is or we wouldn't have gone.  I do look around for bibles and I do check to see if they are opening them and I do check to see if they are familiar with the passages.  This visiting Pastor today made a comment about that.  He said hearing those rustling pages was like music to his ears.  Sure enough, everyone was bent over their bibles.  That was a positive.  So far so good. 

Meaning, it's more of a "club" than a church and if you find yourself outside their ideas it can get weird.

Yes, and I think that was the first one I spoke of..the one where I said we stayed about 7 months.  We just couldn't seem to break that click up or their "we've always done it this way mentality" and the church is dead.  We tried to help but they like where they are at.  We never felt like we belonged.  It was more about "church" and position then about Jesus. 

This church, at first feel, didn't seem like this, but who knows?  It's hard to tell.  I'm just giving you first impressions.  Actually my first impression driving into the parking lot wasn't all that good.  It was the love they seem to exhibit and their friendliness to us that made me love them in a matter of two hours.  I've never felt quite like that before.  Ever.  It usually takes me a good long while to warm up because I tend to be quite guarded.

Another one we attended was practically perfect but the women all wore long skirts

oh too bad they had to ruin it with the appearance of conformity.  Sounds like you're seeing the red flag of legalism to me.  Either that or one started a trend and they are all following it.  The church we went to Sunday had a wide assortment of dress which I take as a good thing.  I saw  men in jeans as well as nice sweaters and dresspants.  Some women were in pantsuits and others in skirts as was I.  They all looked nice and clean and ready to worship God.  That's the important thing.  Another thing is to see the balance of men, women and children, old and young together.

So what I get from this is that when the church you try doesn't meet your expectations, you keep looking for one that does?

That surprises me. I'd think that someone as pious as you would stay at the one that treated you the most poorly in order to make it better.

Sort of Ock.  We do have some expectations. 

1.  The church has to be alive and vibrant. We don't care much for religiousity and arrogance.  We're not into showboating, entertaining or business like atmosphere.

2.  Love in a church is very important to us.  To feel welcome and at home is something rare in churches these days. 

3.  Truth being preached from the pulpit is most important.

4.  Apathy in the pews is something to run from

5.  A mixture of old and young members is most healthy.  Lately most of the churches we've visited are a much older generation and it's as tho they're done.  Been there, done that attitude is not something we're interested in.  We're in it until we drop dead and we want to be used and utilized.

If I walk into a church and am treated poorly why would I want to stay?  As far as I'm concerned God isn't in that body.  I want a warm loving group of people to worship God with.  If God isn't there, why should I be?  I want to be where God is worshipped and adored.  I don't want to be where Christ is on the outside knocking on the door and nobody is opening it (Rev 3:20). 

Nice to see you Ock, even though you still like to push my buttons! 

 

 

 

on Nov 24, 2008

That sounds like a wonderful place to be. I was sold on my church when I got a hug the first time I visited. I really needed that hug. I do think they do a great job of welcoming visitors. They give them a flower and I always try to say hello if I can.

So far it's the only one that has truly touched us in a way the others have not. 

Now you know what you have to do?  Make sure you return that hug to another one who is in need as you once were.  (((((((((L)))))))))

I mean the personal judgements and all regards the "preaching" or the congregation, etc. with the apparently large volume of options, etc

well there is so many different styles of worship to choose from.  It's not dictated in scripture.  Some services are liturgical, some are very simple.  Some Pastors preach topical; some expositional.  Some are hymns only others are Praise and Worship only.  Some believe in NO instruments during congregational singing, others have a full band up front.  Some are King James Only Churches and tend to be very legalistic, some are equally way on the other side being all about Grace and seem to have very little order in their churches. 

When it comes to ministries there are also churches who have strong emphasis in certain things.  Some are very global mission minded.  Some are very outreach to the local community minded.  Some are much more into music and cantatas but have very little outreach outside of that.  Some are very much into the youth, others are very much into the older generation.  Some don't do anything but typical Sunday and Wednesday nights with no activity going on.  Some churches are more into helping the poor and needy than others. 

The larger the church the more chance all of these things will be covered, but the smaller churches only have so many hands to work so they pick and do what they are able to do and where their hearts are at the time.  God moves the heart and when one feels very strong about a ministry he should be encouraged and allowed to use the gifts God has given him to bring this ministry to fruition.    

What I have found is that such a mix's challenges are actually quite a stimulating spiritual experience. I have learned much from the diversity of practices in our congregation.

oh I like diversity like I said above.  Old and young alike, people of diff backgrounds and nationality is always nice.  I did notice this church had one black family who seemed to be much loved.  I liked that.  I also like it when they sing traditional songs mixed with the more modern praise and worship.  I notice down here this is not done.  If and when God decides to put us back into a church we will incorporate both to accomodate everyone.  We think it's very important to be "other minded" and to be able to show grace to one another in such things. 

Anyway, I hope you find a spiritual home, so to speak.

Thanks Sodaiho.  I appreciate your kind words. 

 

on Nov 25, 2008

Well - it is Florida, so what do you expect with all the old people?

Good luck in your search.

on Nov 25, 2008

That surprises me. I'd think that someone as pious as you would stay at the one that treated you the most poorly in order to make it better.



Hahaha...just kidding. It doesn't surprise me in the least.

Ock, why is this ok?

KFC has done nothing to you but I often see you making snotty and rude comments to her.

She's not the resident punching bag.

Why do you care so much that she is a believer who talks about it?  How is that hurting you?

Why are you compelled to come to her blog and take shots?

I don't understand it.

on Nov 25, 2008

We wish to find a place where we can be useful.  We are able bodied workers who are more than ready to roll our sleeves up and be put to work.

 

Sounds like the last church is exactly what you are looking for

on Dec 01, 2008

An Update:

We went back today.  We had said that if we really liked a church we'd revisit a second time.  So we did.

The first guy we met there was the same rugged guy who we found out is Will.  He said he'd been thinking about us all week.  He was so glad we came back.  Then church started and sent us to our seats. 

During the meet and greet time I saw Will speaking with my husband.  A few minutes of shaking a whole lot of hands and making introductions Will came over to me.  He handed me a card and said he just asked my husband to preach next week and if we needed to we could call him.  I looked down at the card and noticed it said he was a Decon.  I guess that made sense. 

Later I asked my husband and he said they asked him to preach both services next week but he doesn't have any details.  Pretty simple people.  Just show up and preach. 

Then I'm guessing  it was another Deacon who got up to the front and kind of in a thick country drawl announced that we had another SB Preacher in our midst and he would be preaching next week.  I'm wondering if people even understood what he said because I barely did and nobody turned to look at us or anything. 

Then the man who we were told last week was going to be asked to be their new preacher got up to speak. 

Oh my!  He was some good.  The best preaching I've heard in a year (and I told him so after).  That church was alive and talking back to him as he preached.  Wow!  I thought two things.  One of course, this was the best preaching I'd heard and two, this guy is far too big for this little church.  He's that good.  He should be in a huge church and if he did take this church people will be coming out and filling those seats.   He's fairly young, maybe in his 30's and he's a single father raising two boys.  He preached on Romans 8 and I'll tell ya.....it won't soon be forgotten. 

He said he's so Baptist that when he gets bitten by a mosquito they fly away singing "there's power in the blood!" 

So the question remains.  Did this preacher accept this little church's offer? They were to ask him today.   Why did they ask my husband to preach next week? 

Stay tuned. 

on Dec 01, 2008

Maybe they asked your hubby to preach because they want a choice?  Or maybe the young guy will be gone?  Who knows.

Keep the updates coming.  I want to read where this goes.

on Dec 01, 2008

Church Hunting?

I didn't know there was a Church hunting season? Be sure to take a St. Bernard (pun on Saint).

 

Sorry couldn't resist.

on Dec 01, 2008

the power of the blood...you Baptists are too funny

 

Wishing you the best.

 

 

 

on Dec 22, 2008

Another update:

My husband did go back and preach both services.  That was a few weeks ago.  His sermon was very heavy application.  So when he gave the invite at the end while we started our last hymn one by one people went to the front as my husband prayed for them.  My neighbor who I brought with me kept looking up and saying "Praise God, Praise God" with tears in her eyes mostly seeing the young people going up.  We had to sing that very hard to sing hymn about six times before the people stopped coming. 

While that was going on the deacon tapped me on the shoulder and said "I am so glad God decided to have you stop by our church."  He was grinning from ear to ear.  That night after the second service my husband was asked to preach the following am and pm services.  We could only do the am service. 

So last week we again came and he preached.  Once again quite a few people went to the front to pray with him.  The deacons were not in attendance.  One was away the other quite sick so we didn't know about the next week which was this past Sunday. 

Well they had the preacher they've already invited to come on to stay.  Once again he was very very good.  He's compassionate, articulate, funny, serious at times when he needs to be, very biblical and likeable.  My husband said if it were between this guy and himself he'd pick that preacher in a minute. 

We came home (yesterday) after the service and received a phone call.  It was one of the deacons wondering if my husband would be able to preach both am and pm again next Sunday.  So for something like the 6th week in a row we're going back to this same sweet country church. 

the power of the blood...you Baptists are too funny

Here's another.  That same Preacher this week said he was so Southern (born in KY) that as a small child he'd watch his grandmother go outside to get her chicken for dinner.  He'd watch her wring it's neck.  His comment about that?  "Don't let that chicken die in vain!  Fry him!

I guess if you cook a chicken any other way than frying, that poor ol' thing died in vain!