Ethical?  I think you need pinch yourself and wake up from that delusion you're having.  In any case, at least there wasn't all of this overstepping of Constitutional authority.  That nonsense you refer to from the Clinton era also produced record low unemployment rates and a surplus, so please explain to me how a "going back" could possibly hurt the struggling America at present.

the reason we're in this mess to begin with is NOT Bush's fault.  His first six years in office there was NO complaining because we did have record low unemployment.  Did you forget?  We couldn't find enough workers to fill the positions. Remember?  Real Estate was booming both at the construction level as well as the existing homes.  Anyone in the construction business  were having their best years ever.  I know because we were doing their tax returns.  People were making more money than they ever had. Business was good.  Very good for most.  Many were making money hand over fist BEFORE Congress turned over two years ago.  Coincidence?  I don't think so. 

We had our best years in the stock market before this last year.  We made lots of money as did everyone I know who invested.   Didn't hear anyone complaining two years ago when the getting was good. 

The problem is....not to many prepared for the rainy day that was coming.  That's the problem.  If anyone is to blame it's those who lived like there was no tomorrow (eat drink and be merry)and are now complaining because of their own greed and lack of planning. 

No kidding!  Bush brought integrity back to the White House. 

Does anyone remember the mess the Clinton's left behind?  Do you remember the trashed computers and the Whitehouse grounds and offices that were left in disarray with foul language plastered everywhere? 

The orders have already gone out from President Bush that the White House will be left in a very clean organized state.  There will be no trashing and disorganization of the place as they found it eight years ago. 

What Clinton left behind eight years ago, now that's what I'd call nonsense. 

Care to prove that clown case?  And let's stick to facts, not opinions.  LIke Fact: Clinton committed Perjury.  Fact: Sandy Burglar tampered with evidence.  Fact: Mike Espy - Bribery and Fraud. Fact: James Riady. Fact: Web Hubbel. etc.

Please stick to the "facts" and not "I think he lied" or other opinions.

I'll call it a delusion if I want to, Dr Guy.  My opinion is that your focus on the ethical questions of Clinton's office is vastly unimportant to the questions of Bush's leadership in the wrong direction and overstepping his Constitutional authority.  Same with Cheney.  Bush's administration has been no more ethical than the last one.  They are politicians.  Don't try telling me that Bush is clearly better than Clinton when it comes to running the show, because that is in no way clear.

Your choice, no one is denying to you (yet).

Yes indeed it is.  Unfortunately facts do tend to go against that opinion.  A man can have the opinion that the moon is made of green cheese, and no amount of facts will ever persuade him otherwise.  SO it is with this.  I am not talking a difference in policy, or how you would have done things.  I am talking court of law charges and convictions.  The implication is that Obama is going to take us away from what in essence - from a legal standpoint - is one of the cleanest administrations in the last 30 years.  To what?  Back to the most unethical and illegal administration in the last 30 years?

It would seem so from the rhetoric.

Clearly that is your opinion, and not even on the issue I asked about.  That you avoided the facts is a credit to you.  We can disagree on how the administration was and never agree - and neither be right or wrong.  But when faced with somethign that can be factually presented and argued - that was my question.  I dont care if Clinton cured world poverty (far cry from it as his and his wifes coffers attest), that he did so by illegal means does matter to me.  Apparently the ends do justify the means to some.

Nevermind.

We all agree there's lots of problems out there and Obama believes the government can solve them. "Change" is going to come in the form of Big, Big, Big government. He's going to make good on his campaign promises to the special interests groups that supported him.

Obama's change will be to advance the homosexual agenda and the proposals for this are outlined under the Civil Rights section of Obama's website, Change.gov.  

Can you imagine seeking spiritual guidance from a guy like Bishop V. Gene Robinson who divorced the mother of his two daughters to live in a "civil union" with another man? In Anglicanism and Episcopalism, founded by a dissident Englishman, King Henry VIII, Tudor in 1534,  divorce, abortion and sodomy are acceptable. King Henry executed a number of his wives and he too came to a miserable end.

I couldn't agree with you more, KFC...change from Billy Graham to this guy...?   

Obama's change is he changed is mind from changing anything to changing nothing or was it changing it back to the Clinton Admin?

The way the MSM is treating Obama he might as well be president. Never have I seen such a lust to assume an office before, I keep praying this does NOT turn into a "be careful what you wish for, you just might get what you asked for" situation.

ya, the only changes I've seen yet are not really changes at all.  So can that be considerd a change? 

I know it!  Today I got a News Brief saying Obama is holding another press conference.  What is that all about?  I mean who is the President around here right now?  I've never seen anything like this.  He can't wait to get Bush out of his office.  Good Grief, it's only polite to sit back and not look so anxious as the man who held office for the last 8 years finishes up what he needs to do. 

I believe a nation always gets what it deserves.  We're no exception. 

I'm reading a book right now called "Tourtured For Christ" and it's about a guy named RIchard Wurmbrand who lived in Romania being born there in 1909.  This book, a classic, written in 1967 outlines what happened to Romania once Communist Russia got ahold of them.  Pretty scary and I'm starting to see we're really not that far away from this as a reality here.  Socialism is just but a step in the right direction. 

Did Obama wait until he was elected before he changed the presidential seal on his plane?

CHARLES

Well that depends...if what he does reflects well upon him then the MSM will see that he gets all due credit....if on the other hand, it doesn't, them the MSM will repress it or blame it on the Republicans or Bush or both.

C'mon Kurtin!

I can tell just from his list so far of appointees that he's planning on having the most radical pro-abortion administration of all time.

The womb is going to be a more dangerous then ever place to be with people like Emanuel, Bill Richardson, Tom Daschle, Janet natopitiano, Ellen Moran, and Hillary Clinton.

Good observation, CHarlesCS.

Because there aren't any new far left liberals with fresh ideas out there....Obama's bringing back the Clintonistas for "experience" and "change"!