I bet Thomas Jefferson really irked the Muslim Barbary Pirates! He grew tired of the US having to pay tribute to them.  

I dont learn from the media Lula. and all of the allegations and rumers you listed are just that ... rumers... from people who couldnt find a logical criticism of his policies .. all they had is this nonsense .... how come all that did not come out before he started running for President?

are you living in our world Lula??? all those media outlet are now owned and operated by huge busn. conglomorates. I am sure you are old enough to remember the Real news and analysis networks that used to exist ... they still have the same alphabet names ... but they are a sad clone of the old ones ....

I cant recognize CBS, NBC or ABC now .... Katie Curic??? ... sitting on the same chair as Morrow and Cronkite????? and the rest of them???? they are a mouthpiece for their corp masters now ... and a weak voice even at that ...

their bias supporting McCain was sooo obvious ... i listed the recoded facts ... dnt answer it with rumers and inspirations inside your head God knows where it is coming from

you are sooo unreal in your bias Lula ... there were only Muslim Pirates???? no christian ones? no jewish ones? no atheist ones?

and you know that for sure to the point of stating it as a fact? ..

falsehood has no roots Lula ... and you are shaking in the Dawn breeze after the darkness of W and the neo-con started to lift.

Thinkaloud,

You said that Muslim leaders hate Truman and W....

to that I whimsically added:

Lula posts:

I'm quite positive that at the time of Jefferson, there were only Muslim pirates who forced the US to pay tribute to them. I may be wrong and if you or someone know otherwise, I will gladly concede the point.   

Thank you ThinkALoud,,,,,this pretty much explains everything....and makes my point....no one learned much of anything about Obama from the mainstream media becasue they of their liberal bias and becasue they purposefully repressed info that would make him look bad. Case closed.

Yes, check the history books.

Jefferson sent the Marines to stop the Muslim Barbary (Ottoman) Pirates of ALgiers and Tripoli. They would capture the crew as prisoners and demand ransom. If you persist I'll give the details, although it's getting a bit off KFC's topic.  

not to worry my friend, our King is on the throne and is fully aware. 

I aplaud the sentiments of your blog.  It has been a difficult election in the Body of Christ and I find my heart has been broken over and again to see the believers pitted against one another, allowing themselves a kind of liberty that diminishes love with in us and haults our ability to show Christ to the world.

linking hearts, arms, legs and anything else we can link so the world will see a unity that surpasses understanding and know that He is

King.

My heart aches for this.

Joa

Um...okay...here I go.  Don't get cranky, I'm just thinking out loud.

Obama went to a Muslim school when he was about 5.  Okay, so?  Big deal. 

2)  Who care if he IS Muslim?  It's a beautiful religion.  Check out my article on it that I wrote months ago.  https://forums.joeuser.com/314958

3)  Whether you voted for him or not, I agree with KFC.  Now's the time to start praying for him.  It is my fear and my prediction that he will be violently assassinated within a year of his inauguration.

Thanks for the good words, KFC.  Good article.

yes, we are supposed to be soldiers in the Army of God.  Soldiers are to be shoulder to shoulder looking ahead and marching together in one accord.  Too often tho, I find the soldiers are doing anything but these days.  We're turning around and bickering with the guy next to us and next thing you know there's a fracas on the field.  Not a pretty sight. 

Yes, we all can take comfort in this. 

mine too.....

Thanks CB.  Prayer does make a difference.  

Amen.

The Catholic bishops held their annual fall conference and in their statement offered prayer for Obama, his family and the nation.  Their statement follows starting and ending with Psalm 127:1 which references the "watchman" which Obama will be as President.

US Bishops Issue Stark Warning to Obama over Abortion

By John-Henry Westen
 
BALTIMORE, November 12, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - In a stark warning to President-Elect Barack Obama, Cardinal Francis George of Chicago, president of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB), today warned the Obama Administration, on behalf of all the US bishops, that "aggressive pro-abortion policies, legislation and executive orders will permanently alienate tens of millions of Americans, and would be seen by many as an attack on the free exercise of their religion." 

The statement, which was "written at the request and direction of all the Bishops," was released today at the end of the annual fall assembly of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops.
 
While the message begins on a conciliatory note, the vast majority is directed at the issue of the rights of the unborn. "The bishops of the Catholic Church in the United States welcome this moment of historic transition and look forward to working with President-elect Obama and the members of the new Congress for the common good of all," begins the statement.  From there, however, it notes that the 1973 Roe v Wade decision was "bad law" and that the Freedom of Choice Act which Obama has promised to sign is even "more radical."
 
Cardinal George writes that "the unity desired by President-elect Obama and all Americans at this moment of crisis will be impossible to achieve," if the administration's policies increase abortions.
 
The full statement follows:
 
STATEMENT of the President of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops
 
"If the Lord does not build the house, in vain do its builders labor; if the Lord does not watch over the city, in vain does the watchman keep vigil." (Psalm 127, vs. 1)
 
The Bishops of the Catholic Church in the United States welcome this moment of historic transition and look forward to working with President-elect Obama and the members of the new Congress for the common good of all. Because of the Church's history and the scope of her ministries in this country, we want to continue our work for economic justice and opportunity for all; our efforts to reform laws around immigration and the situation of the undocumented; our provision of better education and adequate health care for all, especially for women and children; our desire to safeguard religious freedom and foster peace at home and abroad. The Church is intent on doing good and will continue to cooperate gladly with the government and all others working for these goods.
 
The fundamental good is life itself, a gift from God and our parents. A good state protects the lives of all. Legal protection for those members of the human family waiting to be born in this country was removed when the Supreme Court decided Roe vs. Wade in 1973. This was bad law. The danger the Bishops see at this moment is that a bad court decision will be enshrined in bad legislation that is more radical than the 1973 Supreme Court decision itself.
 
In the last Congress, a Freedom of Choice Act (FOCA) was introduced that would, if brought forward in the same form today, outlaw any "interference" in providing abortion at will. It would deprive the American people in all fifty states of the freedom they now have to enact modest restraints and regulations on the abortion industry. FOCA would coerce all Americans into subsidizing and promoting abortion with their tax dollars. It would counteract any and all sincere efforts by government and others of good will to reduce the number of abortions in our country.
 
Parental notification and informed consent precautions would be outlawed, as would be laws banning procedures such as partial-birth abortion and protecting infants born alive after a failed abortion. Abortion clinics would be deregulated. The Hyde Amendment restricting the federal funding of abortions would be abrogated. FOCA would have lethal consequences for prenatal human life.
 
FOCA would have an equally destructive effect on the freedom of conscience of doctors, nurses and health care workers whose personal convictions do not permit them to cooperate in the private killing of unborn children. It would threaten Catholic health care institutions and Catholic Charities. It would be an evil law that would further divide our country, and the Church should be intent on opposing evil.
 
On this issue, the legal protection of the unborn, the bishops are of one mind with Catholics and others of good will. They are also pastors who have listened to women whose lives have been diminished because they believed they had no choice but to abort a baby. Abortion is a medical procedure that kills, and the psychological and spiritual consequences are written in the sorrow and depression of many women and men. The bishops are single-minded because they are, first of all, single-hearted.
 
The recent election was principally decided out of concern for the economy, for the loss of jobs and homes and financial security for families, here and around the world. If the election is misinterpreted ideologically as a referendum on abortion, the unity desired by President-elect Obama and all Americans at this moment of crisis will be impossible to achieve. Abortion kills not only unborn children; it destroys constitutional order and the common good, which is assured only when the life of every human being is legally protected. Aggressively pro-abortion policies, legislation and executive orders will permanently alienate tens of millions of Americans, and would be seen by many as an attack on the free exercise of their religion.
 
This statement is written at the request and direction of all the Bishops, who also want to thank all those in politics who work with good will to protect the lives of the most vulnerable among us. Those in public life do so, sometimes, at the cost of great sacrifice to themselves and their families; and we are grateful. We express again our great desire to work with all those who cherish the common good of our nation. The common good is not the sum total of individual desires and interests; it is achieved in the working out of a common life based upon good reason and good will for all.
 
Our prayers accompany President-elect Obama and his family and those who are cooperating with him to assure a smooth transition in government. Many issues demand immediate attention on the part of our elected "watchman." (Psalm 127) May God bless him and our country.

what a powerful statement.

a powerful statement over all from the Catholic Church full of grace, love, respect, encouragement and truth.  rare in our day and age, thanks for sharing lula-

joa

Thanks JOA..

Yes, I was very pleased by the bishops's statement.....however, at the same time, I can't help but think that if, if, if they had spoken more often and more strongly from the pulpit, then more Catholics would have voted pro-life. It might have made the difference.  

Lula,

every Catholic I've met so far  or heard about voted for Obama and of course, MA, a traditional Catholic state carried Obama quite easily. 

I guess they're not as single minded as the Bishops or the Bishops are not getting their views across to their people. 

It's true that some bishops are more pro-life than others...and it's also true that some spoke out loud and strong and told the priest to do so as well,  while others preached very little, some even not at all.

There is one priest in South Carolina who got it exactly right....here's the story....

COLUMBIA, S.C. – A South Carolina Roman Catholic priest has told his parishioners that they should refrain from receiving Holy Communion if they voted for Barack Obama because the Democratic president-elect supports abortion, and supporting him "constitutes material cooperation with intrinsic evil."

The Rev. Jay Scott Newman said in a letter distributed Sunday to parishioners at St. Mary's Catholic Church in Greenville that they are putting their souls at risk if they take Holy Communion before doing penance for their vote.

"Our nation has chosen for its chief executive the most radical pro-abortion politician ever to serve in the United States Senate or to run for president," Newman wrote, referring to Obama by his full name, including his middle name of Hussein.

"Voting for a pro-abortion politician when a plausible pro-life alternative exists constitutes material cooperation with intrinsic evil, and those Catholics who do so place themselves outside of the full communion of Christ's Church and under the judgment of divine law. Persons in this condition should not receive Holy Communion until and unless they are reconciled to God in the Sacrament of Penance, lest they eat and drink their own condemnation."

During the 2008 presidential campaign, many bishops spoke out on abortion more boldly than four years earlier, telling Catholic politicians and voters that the issue should be the most important consideration in setting policy and deciding which candidate to back. A few church leaders said parishioners risked their immortal soul by voting for candidates who support abortion rights.

But bishops differ on whether Catholic lawmakers — and voters — should refrain from receiving Communion if they diverge from church teaching on abortion. Each bishop sets policy in his own diocese. In their annual fall meeting, the nation's Catholic bishops vowed Tuesday to forcefully confront the Obama administration over its support for abortion rights.

According to national exit polls, 54 percent of Catholics chose Obama, who is Protestant. In South Carolina, which McCain carried, voters in Greenville County — traditionally seen as among the state's most conservative areas — went 61 percent for the Republican, and 37 percent for Obama.

"It was not an attempt to make a partisan point," Newman said in a telephone interview Thursday. "In fact, in this election, for the sake of argument, if the Republican candidate had been pro-abortion, and the Democratic candidate had been pro-life, everything that I wrote would have been exactly the same."

Conservative Catholics criticized Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry in 2004 for supporting abortion rights, with a few Catholic bishops saying Kerry should refrain from receiving Holy Communion because his views were contrary to church teachings.

Sister Mary Ann Walsh, spokeswoman for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, said she had not heard of other churches taking this position in reaction to Obama's win. A Boston-based group that supports Catholic Democrats questioned the move, saying it was too extreme.

"I don't understand anyone who would call themselves a Christian, let alone a Catholic, and could vote for someone who's a pro-abortion candidate," said Ted Kelly, 64, who volunteers his time as lector for the church. "You're talking about the murder of innocent beings."

I know KFC, what a crying shame! All New England went blue....and that was due in part to Catholics voting Democrat....for Obama, I know, it breaks my heart. Look at the news story....the Boston based groups that supports Catholic Democrats....they thought this priest was too extreme.

There is still alot of work to do. We are in a very deep moral crisis which is more important than the financial one. "Culture War" magazine carries the caption, "No social progress outside the moral order."  Boy, is that ever true....we will not be able to get out of our present financial crisis until our moral one is in order.