This is MURDER!
Published on October 15, 2008 By KFC Kickin For Christ In Current Events

The  news story dated yesterday I'm about to share with you rips my heart out and is one reason I am so against abortion.  I'm sure this happens more than is reported as many testimonies have been reported.  It's just wrong and to think we're about ready to elect a President who doesn't really have any problems with this sort of thing is just beyond me.  Remember Obama was against the Born Alive Protection Act. 

A Florida baby who was born and died in an abortion clinic will finally be buried today in Ft. Lauderdale.

 Cheryl Sullinger of Operation Rescue explains the African-American baby named Shanice Denise Osbourne was born alive two years ago at an abortion clinic. Christian Newswire reports that Shanice's mother went to the clinic after experiencing some discomfort, and the clinic staff decided to deliver the baby. When Shanice was born, her mother noticed her gasping for air for nearly five minutes while the clinic staff panicked. Abortionist Belkis Gonzales then put the baby in a biohazard bag and put her on the clinic's roof "to conceal her body from police." Allegedly, there was no attempt to save Shanice's life.
 Belkis Gonzales
"That baby was swept into a biohazard bag with some caustic chemicals and tossed up on the roof of that abortion clinic to die," Sullinger explains. "It was done in a panic, I think, by clinic workers because the people who delivered this baby alive during an abortion were not medical doctors; they were unlicensed women who just happened to be working at the clinic at the time."
 
Doctors performed an autopsy that Shanice's lungs "contained gas bubbles and floated," which proved she was alive and breathing at birth. Meanwhile, an investigation may soon bear fruit. "We have every confidence there will be criminal charges in this case by the end of next month," Sullinger contends.
 
She rejoices that the clinic has been closed. It was owned by Gonzales, a woman with no medical background. Sullinger says Dr. Alan Keyes will give the eulogy at Shanice's funeral.
 
Troy Newman, president of Operation Rescue, is thankful Shanice will "finally be laid to rest with the dignity and love she was denied in her short life" and hopes her killers will be brought to justice. He adds that the public is encouraged to attend the funeral in hopes that the African-American community will stop the "exploitation and decimation of their community by predatory abortionists." 

After I read that and still bothered  by it I did some checking around and found the following artilce dated 12/26/06 before many of us even knew who Obama was.  Thought it was very interesting. 

Jill Stanek, a registered delivery-ward nurse who was the prime mover behind the legislation after she witnessed aborted babies’ being born alive and left to die, testified twice before Obama in support of the Induced Infant Liability Act bills. She also testified before the U.S. Congress in support of the Born Alive Infant Protection Act.

Stanek told me her testimony “did not faze” Obama.

In the second hearing, Stanek said, “I brought pictures in and presented them to the committee of very premature babies from my neonatal resuscitation book from the American Pediatric Association, trying to show them unwanted babies were being cast aside. Babies the same age were being treated if they were wanted!”

“And those pictures didn’t faze him [Obama] at all,” she said.

At the end of the hearing, according to the official records of the Illinois State senate, Obama thanked Stanek for being “very clear and forthright,” but said his concern was that Stanek had suggested “doctors really don’t care about children who are being born with a reasonable prospect of life because they are so locked into their pro-abortion views that they would watch an infant that is viable die.” He told her, “That may be your assessment, and I don’t see any evidence of that. What we are doing here is to create one more burden on a woman and I can’t support that.”

As a senator, Obama has opposed measures to criminalize those who transport minors across state lines for the purpose of obtaining an abortion.

Here's the link for the rest of the story:  http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=18647

 

 


Comments
on Oct 15, 2008

I don't know when human life starts, but I am sure it is sometime before the baby breathes.

Unbelievable!

 

on Oct 15, 2008

Same as Leauki, and yeah - that's just negligence if not wilfull killing.

on Oct 15, 2008

Leauki
I don't know when human life starts, but I am sure it is sometime before the baby breathes.

Unbelievable!

 

Even the Chinese - with almost mandatory abortions, stop trying to kill them once the baby takes a breath.  Only in the US are post partum abortions legal.

on Oct 15, 2008

SilentPoet


Same as Leauki, and yeah - that's just negligence if not wilfull killing.

The guy you want to be president voted against a bill that would have banned this practice because he was afraid the language went against Roe V Wade. 

I know we could all get into great debate over micro premies and infant mortality in the 21-24 week gestation range. The thing is that I doubt many of the people out there have ever been inside of a NICU or have ever seen upclose a baby that is measured in ounces and attached to machines. I have been witness to these tiny babies. I have seen the care of talented medical professionals putting all they have into a life that has very little chance at life. I have also seen the battle be lost. 

Knowing how many issues these babies might face and that desipe all efforts they may not live, I will never undersatnd how anyone could toss a living baby into a bag or in a room of soiled linnes to let it die. When did we let a womans right to choose become a death sentence for unwanted babies?

on Oct 15, 2008

When did we let a womans right to choose become a death sentence for unwanted babies?

It's a shame how sexual actvities have been come out of control. People being so irresponsible when choosing to satisfy their sexual needs. I do find it ironic that some of the exuses I have heard for not trying to prevent pregnancies, such as not using a condom because it takes away the sensation or not wanting to use pills and injections for fear of side effects, tend to be a lot less painful, dangerous and a lot easier that the abortion process itself.

on Oct 15, 2008

The guy you want to be president voted against a bill that would have banned this practice because he was afraid the language went against Roe V Wade. 

I know we could all get into great debate over micro premies and infant mortality in the 21-24 week gestation range. The thing is that I doubt many of the people out there have ever been inside of a NICU or have ever seen upclose a baby that is measured in ounces and attached to machines. I have been witness to these tiny babies. I have seen the care of talented medical professionals putting all they have into a life that has very little chance at life. I have also seen the battle be lost. 

Knowing how many issues these babies might face and that desipe all efforts they may not live, I will never undersatnd how anyone could toss a living baby into a bag or in a room of soiled linnes to let it die. When did we let a womans right to choose become a death sentence for unwanted babies?

 

Correction, he's not who I'm voting for, and lets not go into that, alright?

on Oct 15, 2008

 

on Oct 16, 2008

....?

I mean, what the hell?

The problem isn't about abortion on any level in that case, the problem lies in:

- They killed a born baby. It wasn't an "abortion". Don't you have laws that prohibit abortion after a certain period of time?!?!

- If you don't have those kind of law, it might be a good idea to have one. I'm a fervent defender of the right to abort, but up to a time limit.

- WHY WEREN'T THESE PEOPLE ARRESTED? The baby was born! It's not an abortion anymore!

To use THAT example as to why abortion should never be allowed is the same thing than using example of terrorists to explain why any religion lead to extremism. That's a bullshit argument

on Oct 16, 2008

Don't you have laws that prohibit abortion after a certain period of time?!?!

No, they don't.

 

To use THAT example as to why abortion should never be allowed is the same thing than using example of terrorists to explain why any religion lead to extremism. That's a bullshit argument

But that wasn't her point. While she is against abortion in general, I think her point here was that at least in a case like that it should be pretty obvious to most people that something is wrong.

I think she would feel that prohibiting such murders would be an important accomplishment. And I agree with her.

That is independent of the issue of prohibiting all abortions. This was not a case of a woman not knowing what to do and trying to end the pregnancy at a point when she herself believed that the child was not human yet. Everybody involved knew they killed a human being and I doubt anyone of them believed that the child wasn't (yet) human.

 

If you don't have those kind of law, it might be a good idea to have one. I'm a fervent defender of the right to abort, but up to a time limit.

Another point of hers was that such a law would be a good idea, but that Barack Obama was one of those who voted against the bill.

 

on Oct 16, 2008

Don't you have laws that prohibit abortion after a certain period of time?!?!

No, they don't.

Part of the misconception from the rest of the world (and you see it here on JU as well - where most of the posters are somewhat informed) is about Abortion in America.  They usually preen their feathers and strut their stuff and talk about how enlightened their country is in regards to abortion.  And dont realize that they are ultra conservative when it comes to the issue compared to American law.

The reason there was no prosecution Cikomyr, is that it was a botched abortion.  Since the procedure was to kill the child, it was dead as soon as the women entered the clinic in the eyes of many laws (and the one that Obama supports).  People laugh and poo-poo the Americans railing about abortion thinking we are so myopic.  Not understanding that the law does not cover a botched abortion - if you dont kill it before it is born, let it die afterwards.

That is what abortion in the US is about.  I really wish the rest of the JU internationals would read this article.  And stop spouting the media talking points about this.  If they knew the reality, they would not be so quick to feel so self important about their "enlightened" view on the subject.  And it might just make them realize that the view of America they think they know - obtained from the media - is badly distorted.

on Oct 16, 2008

If they knew the reality, they would not be so quick to feel so self important about their "enlightened" view on the subject.

Actually, I do believe the _German_ view regarding abortion is enlightened compared to US laws; but not because Germany is more liberal than Christian-fundamentalist America, but because German law recognises that AT SOME POINT a child is a human being whereas Christian fundamentalism in America has so far failed to convince the powerful rest of the country that this is so.

 

on Oct 16, 2008

What boggles me is that the same people who are willing to kill viable babies in the name of womens' rights will defend murderers and protest against capitol punishment because an innocent person might possibly slip through the system and be put to death.  Late term, partial birth and post birth killings are certain to kill the innocent.

on Oct 16, 2008

Jill,

True. It's baffling.

 

on Oct 16, 2008

Actually, I do believe the _German_ view regarding abortion is enlightened compared to US laws; but not because Germany is more liberal than Christian-fundamentalist America, but because German law recognises that AT SOME POINT a child is a human being whereas Christian fundamentalism in America has so far failed to convince the powerful rest of the country that this is so.

I was not using "enlightened" in that respect, but just in the respect of how you see so many condescending comments from non-americans on the whole debate.  For the most part, the subject is not an issue in the first world, and their laws are much more restrictive than the US.  They just see the propaganda of the MSM and think that America is over run with a bunch of conservative christians that are threatening to burn any person that gets an abortion at the stake.  The MSM has a vested interest in maintaining that illusion, but that is all it is - an illusion.

The truth is right now, it is not about a powerful rest of the country.  If the average american knew the truth, our laws would be more in line with much of europe in the respect of abortion, but the abortion lobby has one party in their pocket, and of course the media.

on Oct 16, 2008

I was not using "enlightened" in that respect, but just in the respect of how you see so many condescending comments from non-americans on the whole debate.

I know.