[quote]During his recent "not-ready-for-primetime" appearance at Pastor Rick Warren's Saddleback forum, Obama was asked at what point "a baby gets human rights." His answer was shocking: "Well, uh, you know, I think that whether you're looking at it from a theological perspective or, uh, a scientific perspective, uh, answering that question with specificity, uh, you know, is, is, uh, above my pay grade," said Obama.

What?! Above my pay grade? And this man wants to be the leader of the free world? Even the most ardent pro-abortion wactivist would have likely said that a baby gets human rights as soon as it's born, right? But Obama couldn't say that. His opposition to Born Alive proves he doesn't believe it. And if he had said it, he'd have been called on it."
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Good point, KFC.

This is who Obama IS deep down inside....He showed the world this side of himself by answering this way.

Doesn't this say it all when considering whether or not Obama's worthy of the highest office in the free land of AMerica?

Oh, wait a minute, freedom isn't that free...it comes with a price tag.

At the Democrat convention we've heard over and over again from all the main players, Michelle, Hillary, Bill, Biden....elect us, we'll do this and that "for the children". Yet, the group of innocent children growing in the womb are denied even consideration by the Democrats. For Obama, it's above his pay grade to even think about their humanity and dignity, let alone unalienable right to be born given by God Himself.

Well, duh.  There ya go with the religious argument again.  Since there will never be a way to make this a legally 'apples to apples' comparison, equating abortion with murder is a religious position.  A perfectly acceptable and admirable religious position, BTW, one that those who espouse should abide by.  I've said all along the conundrum is a Constitutional one, not a moral one.

DRGUY posts:

Medical facts are that every abortion--- no matter within hours of conception or several days, or 2 months, 4, 6 or right up until the 9th month as in partial birth abortion--- kills. Abortion is imposing death on the baby...is that morally right or morally wrong?  Is imposing death on an unborn baby civilized?

That killing by abortion isn't murder is an argument from moral relativism....and the morality of a country is best judged by how we treat own  children...after all , they are our posterity.  

I have purposefully avoided the religious aspects of the debate.  I merely said that I found most people to be pro-life.  I fail to see how that is religious.

With respect, there is a lot selective hearing going on here, not to mention ossification of opinion.  How is it that I can agree with someone & they not realize it?

When you assigned religion to my post.  I am very comfortable in my faith, and very set on this issue.  But I have learned not to debate the issue as it is akin to beating ones head against a brick wall.  I will discuss it around the issues of biology and science, and even nibble at the edges with semantics.  But I choose not to get involved in the religious aspect for personal reasons.  I was just pointing out that my response was not based in religion (and at the same time taking a tongue in cheek tweak at the title of pro-life).

One can be gay without being a homosexual.  And one can be pro-life and still support abortion.  Terms are being co-opted by special interest groups for pc purposes, and that I do take umbrage with.

Well, KFC.  McCain has chosen Sarah Palin from Alaska.  Very much Pro-Life and NOW I think I can vote for McCain. 

Thanks to AnthonyR I have been researching Sarah for the VP position.

I like the capitalized NOW.  Perhaps women can drag that organization back to its purpose instead of being toadies for philandering democrats.

yes, Sarah will appeal to strong women.  Many of those who were going to vote for Hillary may now vote for McCain.  Evangelicals will be happy.  Women will be happy.  Those who are sick of same ol' politics will be happy.  It's a win/win as far as I'm concerned.  I can't think of anything bad about this ticket right now.  Obama must be worried and Hillary must be steaming.....if anything happens to McCain, our first female President will NOT be a Clinton.

Can you imagine what the next election might bring......Clinton vs Palin?  Now that would be verrrrrry interesting.

hahaha so you missed my prediction on August 25th on Island Dog's site?  https://forums.joeuser.com/322157 

I too have been researching her and have been rooting for her ever since. 

Looks like we're in total agreement on this one AD.  I think McCain will win this now. 

Ha, I hadn't seen your prediction KFC.  You done good!  Sarah Palin is a winner for McCain.

Anyone but Clinton!

hahaha so you missed my prediction on August 25th on Island Dog's site?  https://forums.joeuser.com/322157 

I too have been researching her and have been rooting for her ever since.

First of all KFC.

does not warrant a 'prediction' on your part.  You merely made a suggestion.

Second, I am trying to find it but I believe AnthonyR told me about Sarah Palin at least a month ago. Sorry to burst your bubble but I'm going to give credit where credit is due.

Finally, for the first time in my adult life I am proud to vote Republican. (borrowed from Michelle Obama's speach).

I'm still not a big fan of McCain but I do feel this was a good choice to compliment him.

hahaha, yes you're right....bad choice of words.  But around here I was keeping my fingers crossed.  It was more of a very strong HOPE than prediction.  

Touchy!  Of course, I'm not saying you shouldn't. 

I've only been reading about Palin and thinking her a good choice for about two weeks anyhow....so Anthony R has me beat! 

No bubble burst on my end.