And the answer is........
Published on July 15, 2008 By KFC Kickin For Christ In Religion

A question was asked by a TV reporter who was preparing for a prime-time TV program to a Christian Pastor/Author.  He said "The mood of the country is changing; people realize that we must go back to teaching moral values."  So he asked "How can we return to teaching traditional values without violating the first amendment that separates religion and politics?" 

This reporter had talked to NEA officials who confided in him that they were deeply concerned with what's going on with our young people.  He had also spoken with the education department administrators, politicians and parents. 

So now we have to ask why the sudden concern?  These are the same people who have told the kids for years that there is no right and wrongs; just whatever is right for you type of thing. 

I think this man was simply seeing for the first time that we are reaping what we have sown which by the way is a biblical Christian teaching that our children are not taught anymore.  As a nation we are reaping what we have sown the last 50 years, and that is, the secularist teachings in our schools.  Now we are saying we don't like it. 

So is it possible to teach the kids moral values and still not teach religion?  If we continue going as we are now our country will be sheer chaos before the 21st century closes the door. 

Moral values are rooted in all religions. Ask yourself "what traditional moral values violate anyone's religion?"  Ask a Catholic, Jew, Muslim, Mormon, Baptist, "Is it wrong to lie, cheat, steal, kill or commit adultery?" They will all say "yes."   But then ask a secular humanist, atheist, communist, or socialist and he'll respond, "not always" "in some cases" or "there is no absolutes."  Both answers are based on religion; The first religious answer would come from the scriptures and the answer from religious secularists from Humanist Manifestos I and II.

In our country morals were routed  traditionally in the Judeo-Christian religions.  We have what I'd call a moral sickness sweeping our country right now fast becoming an epedemic.  The secularists who are controling much of our schools, media networks, and government  may be forced to agree that moral teaching is needed to preserve our democracy. 

In 1952 one of the most atheistic, anti-religious Supreme Court justices admitted that our country was a Religious nation. 

In Zorach v. Clausen  Supreme Justice William Douglas penned this stunning acknowledgment:

"The First Amendment does not say that in every and all respects there should be a separation of Church and State.  Rather it studiously defines the manner, the specific ways, in which there shall be no concert or union or dependency one on the other.  That is the common sense of the matter.  Otherwise the state and religion would be aliens to each other-hostile, suspicious, and even unfriendly.  Municipalities would not be permitted to render police or fire potection to religious groups.  Policemen who helped parishoners into their places of worship would violate the Constitution.  Prayers in our legislative halls; the appeals to the Almighty in the messages of the Chief Executive "so help me God" in our courtroom oaths-these and all other references to the Almighty that run through our laws, our public rituals, our ceremonies, would be flouting the First Amendment.  A fastidios atheist or agnostic could even object to the supplication which which the Court opens each session:  "God save the United States and this Honorable Court." 

He was right but these last so many years government has been hostile to religion, at the expense of our children.   They are the ones really losing out. 

The true meaning of the first amendment has been shredded to pieces these last 50 years.  There is nothing in the constitution that says "separation of church and state."  Says nothing.  But it hasn't stopped the secular humanists to use the power of the government to harrass those who believe otherwise. 

The lawyers even know better.  In 1987 the American Bar Association took a poll of its very liberal membership to see if lawyers felt that teaching from the traditional Judeo-Christian base including creation science would violate the first amendment.  It was amazing to find out that 62% believed it would not violate the Constitution.  Why then won't the secular humanists who contol education permit creation science as a theory?  Because it runs contrary to their religiously held belief in evolution. 

Judge Hand in Mobile, Alabama in a 1987 decision identified secular humanism as a "non-theistic religion."  So in all reality our children are being taught religion in schools.  It just doesn't involve God.  The secularizers have driven religion out of our schools and replaced it with religious humanism. 

 


Comments
on Jul 15, 2008

I think there are certain morals that we can all agree on regardless of our religious beliefs or lack of them.  Kindness, honesty, loyalty, etc.  Actually, I think "be kind" covers a lot of territory. 

on Jul 15, 2008

No, we cannot teach values without religion, or with a couple of religions *coughsecularcoughhumanismcoughcough*. We need to remove the unfit religion from schools before values can be taught anywhere.

on Jul 15, 2008

I think right and wrong are not the exclusive domain of religion, not in the slightest.  Right and wrong behaviour exists even at a very basic animalistic level. 

I believe a person can be a good, honest and moral person without being religious.  Secular Humanism, while not a religion, comprises similar basics as most religions i.e. a set of guidelines for leading honest, good, fulfilling and happy lives.  I completely disagree with the idea Secular Humanism is a 'non-theistic religion', though.  It is a philosophical belief, nothing more.

on Jul 15, 2008

We are not born with morals, this has been scientifically proven by a few very immoral acts. There have been cases where children were raised with little to no human contact even kept in cages. The ones that are rescued never develop the same sense of right and wrong that we have. For obvious reasons we cannot repeat this but it does show that we learn morality after birth.  

We are born completely dependent on others for our survival and learn very soon what we like and what we don’t like to have done to us. Obviously food is good, touch is good, environmental comfort is good but because we cannot provide any of these things for ourselves we learn what behaviors will get others to provide these and other things for us. The lesson learned is the foundation for what behaviorist call reciprocal altruism. A favor or kindness done today brings a favor or kindness tomorrow.

Empathy is the foundation on which morality is built upon. It is the understanding that what hurts me will feel the same way to you and our helplessness at birth is key to developing this empathy. This helpless dependence on others is a hard lesson learned right out of the womb for many creatures. In contrast creatures that are self sufficient at birth have no interest in their offspring at all, except maybe for a quick meal. they’ve never made a connection between them and their younger versions and hence never empathized with them. 

This is all you need to develop basic moral programing, a period of total dependence, the ability to make the reasoned connection too that period and an instinct for self preservation. Emotions are not even necessary for basic morality and are one of the things that can cause us to act immoral.

This period of dependence is also responsible for the perceived innocence of a child and is almost identical to the perceived innocence of a dog. It only requires two things, a lack of understanding of the world around them and a level of dependence. That’s why we like dogs so much, that perceived innocence last all their lives because they never gain that much knowledge and they’re always dependent on us. In humans the more independent a child becomes the more their perceived innocence disappears and knowledge is the final destroyer.

What these “what’s happening to our kids” group fail to understand is this is that’s all happening to our kids. This period of innocence just isn’t lasting as long as it used to. Religion can’t do anything about this short of artificially stagnating children so they remain innocent and ignorant longer.

As a society we are far more moral than we were just a few hundred years ago. If you doubt this your in serious need of a history lesson. Do you think anyone would care if we were torturing prisoners 400 years ago? We tolerate far less injustice now and while from a religious standpoint, sex being immoral and all, we could seem less moral most people don’t think any kind of consensual sex is immoral.

 

on Jul 15, 2008

What I find funny is that people don't get that there's nothing wrong with religion meeting government, it's just one or the other becoming each other.

on Jul 16, 2008
Short answer: Yes.

Long answer: OF COURSE YOU CAN. Or do you think that Bradie's (Texas Wahine) children are all being raised as moral-less cretins who have no sense of right and wrong? Because neither her nor her husband are instilling a religious belief in those kids.

Oh no. They're gonna grow up crazy and rudderless!