Untimely maybe but punishment?
Published on April 4, 2008 By KFC Kickin For Christ In Current Events

 

Senator Obama  was giving his opinion on abstinence-only education at a recent town hall meeting in Johnstown, Pennsylvania, when he said:

 "Look, I got two daughters -- nine years old and six years old. I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby. I don't want them punished with an STD at age 16."

Punishment? 

Well, I guess I wouldn't go that far.  I would say it's consequence for an action...but is the birth of a child ever considered a punishment? Untimely?  Yes.  Punishment?  I don't think so.   And to compare having a baby with an STD just seems absurd to me.  I mean who's doing the punishing here?  Don't you have to have a punisher to point to as the bad guy for this to be considered punishment?    Where's the accountability factor? 

Am I not in focus here? 

I mean, when we commit a crime we stand before the judge, he hands down a sentence and in effect, he's doing the punishing for an act committed.   Who's doing the punishing when a girl gets pregnant?  The boy who helped her commit the crime?  So he aids and abets and punishes at the same time? 

I don't get it. 

Isn't Senator Obama a self-professed Christian?  There's nothing in scripture that calls a new life a punishment. It's always considered a blessing to have children no matter what the circumstances behind the birth.  I mean even David and Bathsheba paid for their adultery in the death of their son.  Their punishment wasn't in the birth of their child but in the death of this child. 

Rev. Jeremiah Wright, apparently did not criticize abortionists nor ever put them on his long list of offensive behaviors or people groups like he ranted against Jews, Italians, and whites.  Could that be because abortion claims the lives of black babies more than any other racial group?  You know, point the finger thing and have three pointing right back at ya? 

Wendy Wright, President of Concerned Woman for America says Obama's "punishment" attitude reveals the rationale of many Democrats. "This kind of ideology provides an excuse for aborting babies." 

Maybe this was an "oops" moment for Obama?   Someday if one of hs daughters has an "oops" moment and finds herself pregnant will he still have this same opinion?  Will he advocate this same daughter get it taken care of?  If so, he's even willing to kill his own grandchild? 

Now, I call that punishment. 

 

 

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Comments
on Apr 04, 2008
When you are talking about a very young child, yes, pregnancy is a punishment. They are not mentally nor are their bodies physically ready to carry a baby.

It's a consequence, but it's also something extreme and dangerous for a child to go through.

I gave birth to my oldest son when I was 18, so I was pregnant for about half of my senior year of high school. Luckily, I wasn't treated as an outcast, but it was still difficult. Not only was I very sick a lot of the time (normal with pregnancy), but I also missed out on a lot of fun senior year experiences (including the class trip to Disney World...that I worked to pay for along with the other students).

When I started college, I was responsible for my son, college, and my full time job. From the age of 18.

I am happy to have my son, and I don't regret having him, but considering how confusing and difficult it was for me, in my late teens, I can't imagine how bad it could be for a girl much younger.

I have NEVER been able to be out on my own and be just responsible for myself. There are experiences I missed and difficulties I had that people my age didn't have to worry with. Again, I wouldn't change it (heh, I might go back and skip college, though...I missed a lot of bonding time with my son in those early years and you just can't get that back), but when you're talking about a 13 year old trying to manage all this...even just the pregnancy aspect...I don't think you can call the pregnancy a blessing (the baby, sure, but not the pregnancy).

JMO.
on Apr 05, 2008
Isn't Senator Obama a self-professed Christian?


CINO - Christian in Name Only.

And that was one of the biggest freudian slips yet, and fairly consistent with those that value abortion above life. I am not surprised - by either his statement, or the lack of reaction to it. For it is not that abortion is an option for these people, but has become, like Margaret Sanger wanted, a preferable means to an end. The erradication of all "bad life" (check out Saberhagan and his beserker series for where that comes from).
on Apr 05, 2008

CINO - Christian in Name Only.
They are not mentally nor are their bodies physically ready to carry a baby.

new term?  Ya, it looks that way doesn't it?  So that would make him a professor, not a possessor? 

well it depends.....I mean if everything is in working order why would they not be physically able?  I can understand what you're saying about the mental capability and maturity especially in today's culture tho. 

I was just reading a story this morning about a girl who was a widow at 18 with two small children.  Of course this was in the 1800's and it was completely normal to be married at 16 and have two kids by 18.  So while I believe the body could perhaps handle pregnancy it's the maturity level I would have a hard time with especially in today's culture.

When my best friend got pregnant at 15 she went thru a very easy delivery of about an hour and a half...and went home in the same jeans she wore before she got pregnant.  I can't say I did that. 

Looking back at her life I wouldn't say her daughter was punishment for her, but maybe the things you mentioned missing out on were for my friend as well.  She had to be home taking care of an infant so she couldn't do the things the other teens were doing at the time. 

When I started college, I was responsible for my son, college, and my full time job. From the age of 18.

Oh my gosh.  I can't even fathom having to do all that so soon after having a child. I don't know how you did this.  It must have been a juggling act for sure.   My girlfriend was maybe actually more futunate in that her parents and I helped her raise her little girl for those two years before graduation.  But she never made college instead going to work fulltime after graduation with a two year old by then. 

but when you're talking about a 13 year old trying to manage all this...even just the pregnancy aspect...I don't think you can call the pregnancy a blessing (the baby, sure, but not the pregnancy).

Ya, I understand.  I'm not so sure I would want to easily call it a blessing either from my POV But children are a blessing maybe it doesn't always seem so when you're having them or raising them but in retrospect they really are.  But a 13 year old?  Yikes...that's a child having a child and I would hope that while I know this happens I would hope it's rare rather than a normal occurrance.  I've known girls who got pregnant outside of marriage but never met one that was 13 (that I know of anyhow) who did.   I think if I had a girl, I'd be ever so watchful of her today.  Hmmmmm maybe that's why I only had boys? 

 

 

 

 

 

on Apr 05, 2008

What do you expect from the party of "Safe, legal and rare" equals "later, more obtainable, and without objection" are all specifically mentioned in the constitution. There can only be one logical reason why anyone would be "personally oposed" to abortion. Any politician who says that he or she is personally opposed to abortion, but also favors its current unconstitutional legal protection is certainly a hypocrite. If NOW and other special interest groups have you so cowed that you support abortion rights, just admit that you don't have a problem with abortion, and be done with it. May God have mercy on your soul, BTW.

on Apr 07, 2008

KFC,

I agree with you. A child is never a "punishment". It is hard for a child to become a mother (or be pregnant), of course. It is also hard on the child father. But it's still a blessing.

Like a lottery win can be a huge problem for a child, pregnancy and birth can be an inconvenience. But they are not punishment.

 

on Apr 08, 2008

Pregnancy outside of wedlock is a punishment for extramarital relations, but any baby is sacred.

on Apr 09, 2008

Pregnancy outside of wedlock is a punishment for extramarital relations

That's nonsense.

A baby is, for a couple married or not, the same blessing or "punishment". Their married status doesn't change what the baby is.

Maybe you are referring to society making it more of a punishment for unmarried couples? But that's society's fault, not G-d's.