and how do you know? How can you know what the lie looks like if you don't know what the truth really is? Instinct? Feelings? Isn't that really making yourself out to be God? I mean you think I'm a he but I'm not. I'm a she. So if you're wrong about something so trivial as this how do you know you're not wrong about the eternal? Is it really what "we" believe? I mean many believe in tree hugging. Is that ok? Is that going to gain them entrance to heaven?



I've never heard this for one thing. I've never met a church hiding illegals. On another level any true church worth its salt would not hide illegals unless there was some very extenuating circumstances involved probably involving saving a life.



Because the Christians are the "body" of Christ. We are to be the hands and feet of Jesus. He put us here to be a light and a help to the lost and hurting.



in scripture to worry is a sin. Are you, as a Catholic, familiar with the Sermon on the Mount? Do you remember what Jesus said about the sparrow and the lilies of the field?



There's nothing we can do to "prove" this Charles. He already knows. We are sinners. He is not. He is Holy and we are not. That's a problem. The only difference between a sinner and a saint is a Savior. In order to enter Heaven we must be made into a Saint. We must be made holy to stand in God's presence. Thank God for Jesus. He took care of that part. We are made righteous only because he is righteous for us.



while this is true, our sacrifice is NOT going to gain us entrance into heaven. It's HIS sacrifice that opens the way for us. Our sacrifice is an act of obedience after accepting what he did for us. God isn't interested in our sacrifices. He's interested in our hearts. When our hearts are in tune with God our sacrifices are accepted.



We all make stupid mistakes no matter which side of eternity our feet are directed at. It's part of being human. Welcome to the human race Charles.

I don't know really but why do you ask? From what I understand they want repressentations of every seed imaginable.

Something to think off: If we lose all power, if doomsday is going to be so horrible, and there's no one inside the thing, then with what I've read at how it was built, how will we get into it?

 

morbid curiosity.

Who said I didnt know you were a woman? I've known that for quite some time now. If you have a difficulty trying to figure the difference between whats right and whats wrong then that's you. I believe know the difference my only issue is always choosing the right thing, which is the the mistakes come from. So, because I already knew you were a she, does that negate anything you said in the quote above?



Well maybe you need to live a bit more in reality because these things have been in the news and on this site as well. This is the problem, you spend so much time letting God do things for you that you live in La La land and can't even see what's going on in your own front yard. You all need to wake up and smell he coffee because reality will one day come knocking on your door (like my grandmother) and will have a stronger effect than all the caffeine in the world combined. I can see why LW "loves" you articles so much.



Oh so now we are God's instruments where his miracles are done thru. You really need to make up your mind, either we worry or we don't. Either we pray to God all will be well or we take it into our own hands and make sure, or at least try to make sure, it's all well. This is the problem I have with religion, the constant contradictions of itself. On one hand God will save us so we don't have to worry, then on the other we worry because we are his body so he does his work thru us. Talk about having your cake and eat it too.



Hmmm so what you are saying is that God wants us to sin? I mean after all why does anyone help the helpless and hopeless? Ah, because we worry? As I said before I am not much of a religious person so I know very little about the bible and stuff but as you can see I know my way around things. If you believe in God and you know what you gotta do, no book or no history will make a difference if you go to heaven or hell. The mere fact that we sin on a daily basis proves that. WE are sinners the day we are born and will will be sinners the day we die. It's up to God to sort it out afterwards. That's why I do what I do, in the real world people only see the wrong you do, even when you have medals, trophies, certificates and a movie to prove all the good you have done. But what people here think is not what matters, it's what God thinks when your time comes. Till then you will have to prove yourself to him.



Obviously it can't be proven since it's all based on faith, but faith is also based on what you have experienced in life. We are sinners from day 1, we have been graded with an F from the beginning and our job thru out the years in life we are given is to try to change that F into something better. Jesus sacrifice was meant more as a lesson than simply a solution to our problem of being sinners. He gave his life for us and here we are waiting for God to do everything for us. He lead by example but instead we sit there waiting for him to do more. Our path to heaven lies in doing the right thing, sitting there expecting God to take care of everything because you have faith in him is not doing something in my opinion. He was willing to sacrifice his son, what are you willing to sacrifice for him? Oh yea, I forgot, he's got you covered so you really don't have to do anything.



Here's another contradiction. First you say I'm right then you dispute my words. Man, it has to be your way or the highway doesn't it? If God is interested in our hearts, what fills our hearts? All the good things we have done during our time on Earth, hard work, good deeds, faith, love and yes even sacrifices. So in the end God gets it all in one neat little package called the heart. Sad to say that all the bad we have done is also there but that's what allows him to judge us. Because I think you believe in judgment at the hands of God right? But judgment would mean doing something good or bad, otherwise what would be the point of judging? But in order to do something (good or bad) you would have to actually do something, but what you are saying is that you dont really have to cause God got you covered. Double talk? Double standard? Contradiction? I pay attention to peoples words and I can usually notice when they contradict themselves too often. Just ask Col how many times I pointed out his contradictions in his own articles. You all need to get your stories straight.



Thank you but I have known I was here for a very long time. I accepted that a long time ago. Have you? Keep in mind that in order to make mistakes that means you had to do something, but if you believe you don't have to worry about anything cause God is taking care of you then why do anything at all? If God will solve all of our problems as oppose to letting us do it for ourselves and then judging us based on our actions to solve our problems, then why do we help the helpless and the hopeless? I thought you said God has it all taken care of? Are you questioning Gods actions by doing it yourself? Do you not believe in him enough that you feel compelled to take it upon yourself to get things done? You claim to have no need to worry because worrying is sin yet you admit to be a sinner so whats the difference if you sin or not? But I find it weird to believe that in order to do the right thing we have to sin first. Because we have to worry in order to have a reason to take action. If you saw a child in the streets with an adult and no signs of trouble, you probably won't really question the parent in any way, but if you saw signs of something going wrong, what is your reaction (take Gids situation as an example)? You worry, so our children depend on us being sinners in order for them to be happy and safe. Shall I continue with the contradictions?

I'm not here trying to change your (or anyones) faith and beliefs. I'm simply letting everyone know that my beliefs are very similar to many of the Christian faith but I live on Earth till the day I die so I make sure to keep my head out of the clouds till then. God gave us a reality, maybe we should start living in it and worry about the afterlife when the time comes.

I'm sure that some here are thinking I am wasting my time with these religious arguments, but I have to believe that regardless how many times you respond back to my replies that somewhere along the line we will meet in the middle. You have already shown that to me when you admitted I was right.

Oh sure, but who's middle?   

We all are, we just wanna believe we are not. Isn't it funny how many claim God created us as equals yet we don't treat each other as if we were?

No.  I was referring to this:

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I see "He" not she in your statement. 

don't get so huffy.  All I said is I had never heard of this.  I'm not saying it's not true.  I know quite a bit about churches being the wife of a Pastor and have been involved in many churches my whole life from all denominations.  Not one church I was affiliated with hid illegals.  The proof is on you.  While I'm not saying it may not be done, I have a feeling you're making it out to be much greater than it is.  How many churches are hiding illegals? 

There are no contradicitions.  You're just looking for an excuse.  There are two ways to "wait on God."  It's sort of like waiting for a movie to come to town.  I'm waiting for the movie "Expelled" to be released.  But I'm not sitting here not doing anything while I wait.  I'm keeping busy but still waiting for the release.  Another way is when the movie does get here, I will be in line doing nothing else but waiting to get in the door.  I will drop everything and wait for the immediate showing of this movie.  It's the same way with us and God. 

I strongly disagree with your first statement  here especially.  More of a lesson?  Ummm No.  He was the Passover Lamb that would take away the sins of the world.  Remember John 3:16?

Congratulations what you have just done is define a works based theology which is pretty much 99.9% of all the religions out there.  You need to work your way to heaven.  That is NOT what Christ nor his Apostles taught.  Nobody can be "good enough" to work there way in. 

God gave us his revealed word.  In it he tells us about himself.  He reveals himself to mankind.  Many call his word a love letter to mankind.  I would agree with that.  What I hear you saying is you're ok.  You've got your own way...you've got it all taken care of.  Good. 

So we should worry about the afterlife when it comes?

Is that how you plan a trip?  You worry about it when it gets here?  No flight plans?  No reservations for hotels?  No saving up to make sure you have what it takes to even make the trip happen in the first place?

Sorry.  I look at the afterlife as taking a long trip to eternity.  I've already made my reservations and got my mansion registered. 

 

 

Then you, my friend have chosen well.

I live not a life consumed by the threats of angry God...rather I live life for the experience, for the joy(and even the sorrow) that it brings.  My choices and decisions are based on what I think is "right."  Strangely enough, my sense of right and wrong correlates pretty well with the Bible.

To be all entranced in a religion, in my opinion anyway, makes life way too complicated and you just can't enjoy it as much.  Not advocating the "godless heathen" lifestyle, but certainly a laid back attitude to all that stuff.  I swear, if God is as uptight and humorless as everyone makes him out to be I'm going to be so ticked off.

~Zoo

So doctors save 100% of those brought to hospitals? Hmm, didn't know that.

I don't know how sick this girl was, zoologist, so I don't know whether the parent's decision was rational or not. Nor do you, unless there's something you're not telling us. But I do have a problem with mocking people who look to God for answers.

I'm intrigued by the seed vault, I think at the very least, it could provide a valuable "time capsule" for future scientists. And the fact that it's largely privately funded is an added plus. But I also KNOW that ultimately God will provide. Perhaps Charles is right. Perhaps God laid this on someone's heart because it is His way of providing. I can't know, either way.

Well, that dude from I am Legend was pretty good at breaking bulletproof glass, maybe we could hire out him and his buddies to bust their way in...just before dawn, of course, so we could get the heck out of there before they got up the next night.

Err, wait...six hours of night...guess we better make sure we do it in June.

Or you know...it was freakin' treatable.

An 11-year-old girl died after her parents prayed for healing rather than seek medical help for a treatable form of diabetes, police said Tuesday.

Also, the crazy doesn't stop:

The mother believes the girl could still be resurrected, the police chief said.

Also, this crap had been going on for a month.

Everest Metro Police Chief Dan Vergin said Madeline Neumann died Sunday.

"She got sicker and sicker until she was dead," he said.

Vergin said an autopsy determined the girl died from diabetic ketoacidosis, an ailment that left her with too little insulin in her body, and she had probably been ill for about 30 days, suffering symptoms like nausea, vomiting, excessive thirst, loss of appetite and weakness.

Praying about cancer I can understand...but a treatable disease when the girl never set foot in the hospital?  No, that's insanity.

~Zoo

Oh Lord, sue me for a (as LW would say) typo. he/she look very similar to me but I guess I see why LW despises you so much, you too are so much alike, except for LW's choice of words.



Oh yes, the wife of a Pastor. That's suppose to make it OK. So you never saw a church hiding illegals and that's good enough for you to dismiss my words? Typical, God forbid people actually did a bit of research on anything. Oh yea, I forgot, you were waiting for God to do it for you. Ah, and now it's the amount of churches that do it as well. Wow, talk about making excuses.



What ever. Believe what you want, in the end this discussion is pointless cause religion is not fact, it's faith and we can sit here for the next thousands of years and we'll probably always have a different point of view on something. And what's this whole "wait on God" thing? Why are you waiting on God? He has his time set for you, go on with your life till it's your time. I'm not waiting on God, I'm doing what I gotta do till my number is up. The day it's my turn to face judgment I hope I have done what I was suppose to do. And if I failed, then I'll take my punishment.



And that's your right to, I won't take that away from you. I was told that the day i was born I was a sinner, so that means my path lead to hell from day 1. Having lived this many years and hopefully more I believe I have been granted the chance to change my fate before my time comes. Will I make it to heaven someday, only God knows. I can only hope my good outweighs my bad, because I won't deny I have not always done the right thing though I have done the right thing more often than not.



See what I mean? You couldn't even admit I was right, it had to be your way or the highway. God created the Earth, the animals, the plants and the elements according to our beliefs. God created man. God gave us his words by which to live our lives, but as you may see he was not specific enough since we have so many variations of what the bible says and what people wanna believe.

Made your reservations? A Mansion? Man, do you have high hopes. You are 100% positive you are going to heaven aren't you? No doubt what so ever? You must be the perfect human being that is believed not to exist. Eternity is not a trip you plan for, there is nothing you could possible do to prepare for something you have never been to or seen. Eternity is a place where only the select few can reach and regardless how much you wanna think you have set yourself up for this event, it's up to God to decided if your "reservations" are valid. I find it funny how the wife of a Pastor gave herself a free pass to Heaven without consulting the Big Man first. or are you gonna tell me God came to you in a vision or revelation and told you "you need not to worry, your spot has been reserved already"? Kinda cocky of you don't you think? At least I'm willing to admit I have faults and that there's always a chance I may not pass the gates of Heaven, again that's up to God to decide.

Here's my idea of what I believe reaching God and his Eternity is like. I see it as a job, I was hired (born) to do a job, my goal is to make it to the highest position possible (Heaven). Thru out the years I do the best I can do to earn my positions in life and when the time comes my Boss (God) will decided if I have earned my way to the top or I failed miserable and get fired (sent to hell).

I'm not sitting back waiting for a movie, I working to earn my spot in the theater for when the movie comes I hope I'm worthy enough to be able to see it.

Look KFC, I'm not looking to start or continue a religious war here with you. You believe what you want and I'll believe what I want. If all goes well in the end, I hope to be sharing good times on the other side of the gates of Heaven with you. In the end our beliefs may be different, but our goals are the same. To each his own.

I'm not too sure you should be having any opinions about a child suffering considering whats been going on in you life. If anything you should be taking stories like this one and learning a well earned lesson from them. God forbid you would ever chose to use such an excuse if one of your children was fatally harmed under your "supervision" and I use that term very loosely. Man I am so embarrassed to believe I asked you for advice on religion. KFC, I'm starting to question the whole "God will provide" thing when children are being hurt in religious environments.