Not likely since the month of Abib or Nisan (the Babylonian name) rely on the green head of barley which was necessary for the wave offering. I'm trying to find the explanation but until then I'll offer my understanding. The beginning of year (biblically not rabbinically) begins with this month (Ex 12). The month of Abib begins on the Rosh Chodesh (first sliver after new moon)following the green heads of barley.



I disagree. You celebrate on a Sun calendar brought mainstream by Julius Caeser (see Julian Calendar), later reorganized by Pope Gregory in 1582 and I am looking for the Biblical time the one that G-D put in place (assuming you believe the Bible to be G-D inspired).

I think it does matter or else why would G-D tell us when to celebrate?

That's kinda my point though. Just because Pagans do something "first" doesn't mean they own it. This is the day the Lord has made, let us rejoice and be glad in it. Technically then since many pagans made a tradition of breathing and living and enjoying their days, we can't do that either.  

They may have gotten up early to worship the sun, so what? They don't own the time of day or the sun. If they have a good idea and we pick it up or like it, I don't think God cares as long as HE is the focus. So we get up early to worship the SON. The same motions, completely different meaning.

I didn't let my kids do easter eggs, bunnies, or any of it for a long time because I thought it was "pagan."

Then a very savvy lady at my last Baptist Church pulled me aside and said basically....you want to paint eggs, paint them. Pagans don't own eggs. God made eggs long before Pagans even thought of fertility Goddesses. She suggested the meaning of the resurrection be placed on the egg, new beginnings, and the church put scripture in plastic eggs and made a game of the kids finding them.

If Christianity gets so legalistic that we can't honor God with our traditions, no matter there so called "origins" then something is wrong in the kingdom.

Possibly late spring like May, pertaining to those that are ceremonially unclean in Numbers 9.

It's been a few years since I researched this. I'm doing good to just remember what I learned.

Well some do take this POV and I don't criticize them for it. You could say the same about Christmas. I'm not really legalistic about such things really. But remember we've far removed from this now. If you lived back in the time that you had to chose between the real resurrection day to celebrate or the Pagan eggs and bunnies I'm thinking you'd stay away, as a Christian, from the Paganism. Does time make it better? Maybe. I do know that it really does come down to the heart so it's really up to every individual to make this decision.

Like Paul said in Colossians "let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come but the substance belongs to Christ."

I actually have resurrection eggs with scripture on them. But again, it's really individualistic. I, myself, would rather see Christian families stay away from the Pagan aspect of anything as much as possible or at least make sure it doesn't take more time and effort than the real deal. Remember the true reason to celebrate. You know Satan...and how he operates.

We did the easter thing at home. We did the eggs and such. But we spent more time on going to church and doing the Passion Cantatas and stuff like that, not falling for the lies of Satan.

BTW Tova you know that song you quoted? It is from Psalm 118:24 and is a song usually sung at the Passover along with v22. Remember when Christ went out to be Crucified after the dinner? Scripture said they went out singing hymns? This Psalm 118 that you mentioned is one of them.

Well when it came to the Passover he was very specific. It was to happen on the 14 day of the first month. This was to be the beginning of their year. So yes, it did matter. But when Jesus came that was the end of it. He came to free us from sin and the law.
His was the Last Supper also the Last Passover.

At that Last Supper he instituted a New Covenant which we celebrate as the Lord's Supper and we do that periodically, some more than others. So, no I don't believe he gave us a day or frequency......he only said "as often as you do this, do in rememberance of me."

and what was he doing when he said this?

the christians unknowingly just finished a celebration unto ishtar and mithra,both roman dieties whom constantine the great christian also celebrated before forcing his religon upon the followers of yahoshua and forcing them to come into his way or die.

messiah is a hebrew,a jew,a israelite,he celebrated the customs of his people not the customs of the pagans around him,he did not eat pork,have sunrise ishtar services,he kept the way of the hebrew,the called out one.

this is what i speak on alot is how people will buy into a religous system without finding out the facts of that religous system,they just take what is offered at face value as truth instead of seeking out that truth for themselves.

all christianity is,is mithra worship a parasitic religous system that adapts to and takes over other religons making them its own.

mw

He was having the Last Passover (also called Last Supper) before he became the Passover. 

And again...he sealed it (this new covenant) with his blood. 

From then on he was OUR Passover Lamb that represented us.  Now, we as Christians keep this memorial alive when we celebrate the Last Supper in what we call Communion. 

 

 

I actually agree quite a bit here with you on this.  We need to not rely on others but to be reading the Holy Scriptures like the Apostles and early believers did. We need to be truth seekers.  Too much legalism has crept into the churches and tradition has become the order of the day and many are falling for this thinking their leaders know more than they.  Quite often tradition is held higher than scripture. 

now this I don't agree with.  Don't you know that whenever you put the word "all" down, it can't be right? 

There is true Christianity (those who follow Christ) and pseudo Christianity (those that pretend to be following Christ) and there is a difference.   Christ himself even made mention of the difference himself. 

 

 

 

There is true Christianity (those who follow Christ) and pseudo Christianity (those that pretend to be following Christ) and there is a difference.   Christ himself even made mention of the difference himself. 

 the true followers of messiah/christo's is those who follow and observe what he taught, not what the pseudo christians want to follow,the difference is one is roman and the other hebrew.

many studies have been done by the system that hangs on to pagan traditions where those traditions come from and they themselves acknowledge they do not teach the Way like the messiah and the apostles did,their excuse is the church has authority to make heavenly policies,as well as earthly policies,overriding the almighty of israel and his commands.

when i put all i mean all,for the difference is who you follow,the hebrew messiah and his hebrew customs,or the roman christo's and his roman festivals.

mw

So let me get this straight....

Jesus was observing Passover when he said...And when He had taken some bread and given thanks, He broke it and gave it to them, saying, "This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me." (Luke 22:19).

Then in 1 Corinthians 5 Paul talks about keeping the feast of unleavened bread aka Passover.





Do you really believe this?

Not really AD. 

First of all be very careful when you use the Corinithian Church as your example of what we are to be doing.  They were a mess.  It was bad here. They were doing everything wrong.  Paul grieved over them and it's carried over to 2 Corinthians.  Some even use the scripture in this book on tongues to institute tongues in their worship.  No,  good things were not happening here.

The scripture you're bringing up is not instituting us to go to the feast.   I just studied this recently.  It seems as tho they had a believer in their midst who was having sex with his step-mother (5:1).  Since he was a church member Paul was saying he needs the boot.  That's why he says "deliver him to Satan" and "get rid of the leaven."   Immorality in a church is a no-no and will spread like leaven if left unchecked.

He's using the Passover as a picture of this.  As the placing of the blood over us completely separates us from the dominion of sin and judgment.  We are to remove everything from the old life that would taint and permeate the new.  As Israel was set free from Egypt as a result of the Passover and to make a clean break so too the believer is to be totally separated from his old life with its sinful attitudes and habits. 

The conclusion Paul is making here is that we are to continue to celebrate the feast not with old leaven of malice and wickedness but with the unleaven bread of sincerity and truth. 

The OT Passover was celebrated but once a year as a reminder of this deliverance from Egypt.  The Christian's celebration should be continuous.  Our every thought, plan and every intention should be under Christ's control.  The perfect unleavened bread He desires us to eat is that of sincereity and truth. 

So in a nutshell: 

In this whole section, he's calling the immoral "old leaven."   Leaven is a symbol of impurity.  He's saying Christ was already sacrificed and just as Passover was followed by the Feast of Unleavened Bread during which all leaven was removed from the houses so should the Corinthians who were already cleansed, now walk in holiness and get rid of the leaven. 

 

 

I knew it from Psalms but didn't realize the timing!

Here's something I wanna share.

My neighbors are older, in their 60's.  He quit working some years ago because of a really bad ticker.  She still works past retirement because they took in their two (sometimes three) grand kids to raise (long story there).

They have a full house and are always struggling financially though they never mention it to us or anyone else I know of.

We do little things for them, like shovel their drive, help gather all their leaves in the fall, give them all the clothes my oldest son outgrows for their grandson, no big.

Well N (the woman) moved her 90 something mom in with them a couple months ago.  She has congestive heart failure, and is a frail little thing, even though she can get around on her walker.

Friday I went into my bedroom and opened my closet door.  I saw four brand new blouses I never wear, they just aren't my style.  I bought them four years ago and never wore them.  For some reason that day I was compelled to bag them up and take them next door.  I gave them to N and said between her, the grand daughters, and her mom, someone should be able to wear them.

A few hours later I get a phone call from the 90 something grandma.  She ordered a new suit for Sunday Resurrection Services but when they went to get it, it was on back order.  She was really disappointed because she didn't feel there was anything "acceptable" in her closet.  (Remember she is 90 and very old school.)

She said they went to several stores looking and there was nothing.  She was wore out and disgusted when they got back home and a little while later I just happened to bring over the blouses.  She called to thank me because she has a brand new suit she never wore.  She couldn't find the matching blouse, (a very odd color of lavender).

One of the blouses I took to them was the exact match to the suit and fit her perfect.

How odd is that?  I bought that blouse four years ago.  I saw it everytime I open my closet and literally looked at it for four years before one day, out of the blue, deciding to give it away.

She bought the suit on sale a year or so ago...got a really good bargain because it didn't have a matching blouse with it...thought she'd be able to find one, and never could.  Then a year later, I bring over the blouse that goes with it.

Bizarre.

I personally don't think God cares what she wears to church, but it was important to her, so it was important to God.  Just like I don't really like video games, heh, but I will listen to my son talk about them because it is important to him.  I buy them because they are important to him.

I feel so honored to be an instrument in His blessing her.

She said, "Honey at my age I know a miracle when I see one.  And finding the exact blouse to go with my lavender suit was a miracle."

hahahah..she is so funny!

which feast?