A View In Heaven
Published on July 8, 2007 By KFC Kickin For Christ In Religion
John is about to take us on a trip to heaven. He's going to show us what we will see when we first get there.. We can only imagine what this must have been like for John. Since we cover almost all of Chapter 4 here, we need to get right into the text:

2 Immediately I was in the Spirit; and behold, a throne set in heaven, and One sat on the throne. 3And He who sat there was like a jasper and a sardius stone in appearance; and there was a rainbow around the throne, in appearance like an emerald. 4Around the throne were twenty-four thrones, and on the thrones I saw twenty-four elders sitting, clothed in white robes; and they had crowns of gold on their heads. 5And from the throne proceeded lightnings, thunderings, and voices. Seven lamps of fire were burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God. 6Before the throne there was a sea of glass, like crystal. And in the midst of the throne, and around the throne, were four living creatures full of eyes in front and in back. 7The first living creature was like a lion, the second living creature like a calf, the third living creature had a face like a man, and the fourth living creature was like a flying eagle. 8The four living creatures, each having six wings, were full of eyes around and within. And they do not rest day or night, saying: “Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, Who was and is and is to come!”9Whenever the living creatures give glory and honor and thanks to Him who sits on the throne, who lives forever and ever, 10the twenty-four elders fall down before Him who sits on the throne and worship Him who lives forever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying:
11“You are worthy, O Lord, To receive glory and honor and power; For You created all things, And by Your will they exist and were created.”


The God we worship is so mighty that nothing in the world compares. While God has given us a glimpse of His Throne Room before, through others, now John will attempt also to give us a picture of what we will see when we reach heaven someday.

1 Kings 22:19 says:

Then Micaiah said, “Therefore hear the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on His throne, and all the host of heaven standing by, on His right hand and on His left.

Isaiah said this in 6:1-4:

1In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord sitting on a throne, high and lifted up, and the train of His robe filled the temple. 2Above it stood seraphim; each one had six wings: with two he covered his face, with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew. 3And one cried to another and said: “Holy, holy, holy is the Lord of hosts; The whole earth is full of His glory!”
4And the posts of the door were shaken by the voice of him who cried out, and the house was filled with smoke
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We see John filled with the spirit in a new and powerful way. He's been given an invitation to a special place; the Throne Room of God. He wants us to look closely (behold) as he begins to put the focus on this Throne mentioning it some 13 times in just this chapter alone. This is important and not to be overlooked as a piece of furniture but instead as a source of power. He's trying here to describe God's majesty and power the best he can using the word "like" many times. This God is not a man like us. He is spirit; a being; totally unlike us. The best John can do is compare all this to what he does know and is familiar with.

We see two precious stones mentioned. The first, Jasper, is a clear white-colored type of stone. This stone would reflect the light coming from all around the Throne everywhere. It would be like a bright white color. In the OT we are told God's brightness is called the Shekinah Glory. Back then, you didn't get too close, even stepping back in awe of the Holiness of God. Here we see the holiness of God described in the colors he represents. The Sardius stone is a deep red like a ruby red in color and may stand either for his redemption or his judgment depending on which side of God you're on. For the believers they would see his redemption and for the unbelievers judgment.

The rainbow around the Throne was more like a circle instead of the half circle we usually associate with rainbows. Many think this represents God's mercy because of his promise not to destroy the earth again. So his all encompassing mercy is completely surrounding His Throne.

In all these colors we see the attributes of God. We see his holiness, redemption, judgment and mercy. Timothy said this in 6:16:

who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see, to whom be honor and everlasting power. Amen

Next John's focus is on the elders. There are 39 different interpretations for these elders so said one commentator. Are they human or angels? We need to break it down. We see there are 24 of them. I believe they are humans, because of the characteristics associated with them. First he calls them Presbyteros which always speaks of older men. They are wearing crowns (Stephanos) not worn by angels. Many believe they represent all mankind. Some think they are the 12 Tribes of the OT and the 12 Apostles of the NT. Some believe they are the Levitical Priests because 24 was the representative number of them. The Priests represented Israel before God. Yet some believe somehow these elders represent the church alone.

We see their main function, whenever they are mentioned, (many times) and that was to lead worship of God. I'm not sure we can be dogmatic enough to say for sure who exactly they are only that they do represent mankind.

Now on top of the colorful light show we read there is noise associated with the Throne Room as we can almost hear the thunder and voices that John heard. This is similar to what the people of Moses' day experienced when he went up to Mount Sinai to meet God (Exodus 19:16). In both the OT and the NT we see that God is displaying his power so they, and we, will know of His mighty power and His majesty.

Whenever God's Throne is mentioned, it seems we read about the seven Spirits of God. Seven represents both perfection and completion.

As far as the sea of glass, this is a hard one to nail down. We know in heaven there is no sea as John writes about this later on. In Ezek 1 we read about the firmament above the angels and below the Throne. It seems as tho this could be connected but am unsure about exactly how this all fits. This sea of glass would be quite something in a room filled with light as it reflected the Glory of God. I imagine this glass would make it all seem quite overpowering; and would be just overwhelming to witness.

The four creatures around the Throne are interesting to say the least. My how this must have affected John. It would me. I'd be shaking hard in my L.L. Beans. These creatures are nothing like we've ever experienced in this life. If these are the same creatures as in Ezekiel they are moving all around. Notice how they have eyes all over their bodies. Eyes within? Eyeballs on wings? What's the purpose of all these eyes? This would most likely speak to the watchfulness of who God is.

These creatures are part of worship. In Ezekiel they are called Cherubim. They are in close proximity to God. Funny these angels are not what we normally see represented around here.

Some think these four represent the four gospels or maybe creation itself, but it makes more sense with the context to see they represent God's character or attributes. John describes the first "like a lion." This could represent his power/rule. The second is "like a calf or ox" and would represent strength/service. The third creature "like a man" would describe God's intellect/reason. The fourth creature, "like an eagle" speaks of God's speed/swiftness.

So in this whole chapter we see many attributes of God. We see his holiness, mercy, redemption, judgment, power, strength, intelligence, and swiftness. All this speaks of God who is still so much more than we can even imagine.

Notice these creatures worship God continually without rest day or night. We see they use a trisagion here in their usage of the same word (holy) three times. One time is descriptive, two times would be emphasis, but three times superlative. Nothing is more holy than God. Nothing. He is the Lord God Almighty (all powerful) and he can do it all. Problems? Take it to the Throne Room. He was, is, and is to come means he's eternal with no beginning. God has always been eternal and always will be. Why wouldn't we bring everything to a God like this? They are singing a creation hymn here.

We see the creatures lead the worship and as they do, the 24 elders fall down in their worship of God. This is what worship is all about. It doesn't start and stop on Sundays. It's by his will they can even worship him. It's his power that creates life in us yet we walk around like we own the planet. Yes God gave us dominion, but it all starts with God. God created all from nothing. Not us.

1 Chronicles 17:20 says:
“O Lord, there is none like You, nor is there any God besides You, according to all that we have heard with our ears.

Think of God as highly as you can. He's higher than that. King Nebuchadnezzer thought he was big stuff until God put this King in his rightful place. God brought him lower than low to show him who the real King was, Daniel 4:34-25.

Look at the response of the elders here. Falling down is the proper response. They didn't trip but were brought to a position of recognition as they sang. They were in complete and humble submission.

Martin Luther used to get down prostrate in front of God. He couldn't get low enough. He would make a hole in the dirt and put his face in it to show how completely vulnerable he really was. Maybe we should put our face to the floor and think about God once in a while. It would many of us a world of good if we're willing to humble ourselves this way.

Two things we see here. First we see true worship. They were filled with thankfulness, praise, honor and exaltation to the God they honored and loved. Next they cast their crowns at His feet. All they had, they gave back to him. Why? Because everything comes from him. What are we holding back from God? Our time? Money? Our families?

Thirteen times here the Throne is mentioned. Who is on your Throne? You? Or God? You can tell by how much you:

trust
submit
control
obey

How is your worship of God? 1 Chron 29:10-20.










Comments
on Jul 09, 2007
KFC, thank you for another excellent commentary. (I say this even with your mention of ML!! Just kidding).

Apoc 4:2 "Immediately I was in the Spirit; and behold, a throne set in heaven, and One sat on the throne."


The risen and glorified Christ who spoke to St.John now invites him to go up into Heaven to be told God’s plan for the world. The things that St.John “sees” and is being told and writes about are things that man could not possibly ever discover for himself. Here he is in Heaven contemplating God and being taken over by the Holy Spirit so as to be able to understand what God wants to reveal to him.

And this really goes back to the end of verse one; St.John is going to be shown “what must take place after this”. It is something which is already begun to happen in the writer’s own time but it will not reach it’s climax until the end of the world. The Revelation he is given the outcome of which is guaranteed by the authority of the Revealer, Jesus Himself. Notice the presence of the Blessed Trinity here. God’s sovereignity over the world is symbolized by the throne.

3 "And He who sat there was like a jasper and a sardius stone in appearance; and there was a rainbow around the throne, in appearance like an emerald."


He describes God’s appearance in terms of vivid coloring of precious stones with the rainbow around which avoids the danger of defining God in human terms (an inversion of values).

on Jul 10, 2007
4 "Around the throne were twenty-four thrones, and on the thrones I saw twenty-four elders sitting, clothed in white robes; and they had crowns of gold on their heads.


Just for interest, the Douay Rheims uses the word "seats" instead of thrones for where the ancients sat.
Apoc. 4:4, "And round about the throne were twenty and four seats and upon the seats twenty and four ancients sitting, clothed in white garments, and on their heads were crowns of gold."

You've already mentioned several interpretations of the symbolic number 24; one as being 12 plus 12 or the number of the tribes of Israel and the number of the Apostles and I’d like to focus on this a bit from the standpoint of St.Matt. 19:28.

Upon answering St. Peter's question, “What shall we have (for following you?) ”, Our Lord, in fact, promised the Apostles that they would sit on seats (thrones).

"And Jesus said to them: Amen I say to you, that you, who have followed Me, in the regeneration, when the Son of man shall sit on the throne of His majesty, you also shall sit on twelve thrones judging the 12 tribes of Israel.” St.Matt. 19:28. So, those who have followed Him will share His glory; those who have left what they had will be given much.


Both the Latin and Greek word for “regeneration” used here mean rebirth or born anew in reference to Christian rebirth at Baptism. There is also a reference to the same word being used when Noah proclaimed the reborn world. The 12 thrones and the 12 tribes refer to the Final Judgment at the end of time when the 12 Apostles will judge the Old Testament people of Israel. cf. St.Luke 22:30; St.Matt. 20:23; 23:35; 12:42; 1 Col.6:12; Gen. 49:28; Ex. 24:4; Ezek. 47:13; St.James 1:1; Is. 65:17; 2St.Peter 3:13; Apoc. 20: 11-15; 21:1, 5, 12.

In other translations, I’ve seen “in the regeneration” (St.Matt. 19:28) as “you, who have followed Me, “in the new world” and another as “renewal of the world” which is still a reference to the renewal of all things which will take place when Jesus Christ comes to judge the living and the dead. The resurrection of the body will be an integral part of this renewal. The ancient people of God, Israel, was made up of the 12 tribes under the Old Covenant. The new people of God, the Church is founded by Jesus Christ on the Twelve Apostles under the New and everlasting Covenant.

The rebirth will be introduced by the coming of the Son of man and will come into force with the Judgment. He will sit on His throne of glory (St.Matt. 25:31) and pronounce judgment. The Twelve Apostles will be seated beside Him and will join with Him in pronouncing the verdict. Jesus has already said, “He who receives you, receives Me, and he who receives Me receives Him who sent Me” 10:40. Here we see unity between the Father who sends, the Messias who is sent and the Apostles who follow Jesus on a path which takes them into the humiliating depth of His Passion and then to the heights of His glory and Lordship.

The people of God comprised the 12 tribes which were descended from Jacob. The 12 tribes are to be gathered together at the end of time to represent the people of God in glory. But the 12 tribes of which Jesus speaks here are the tribes of the new Israel born of God and redeemed by Christ. This is what the pilgrim Church, built on the foundation of the Apostles and the prophets with Christ as the cornerstone (Eph. 2:20) keeps before her eyes since she is ever moving, day by day, towards the Judgment of Her Lord and His Apostles seated beside Him. We, in fear and trembling, hope to appear with Him in glory.
on Jul 10, 2007
Apoc. 4:5 “And from the throne proceeded lightnings, thunderings, and voices. Seven lamps of fire were burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.”

Fire as well as storms are often used to symbolize the salvific power and majesty of God. Ps. 18:13-15 ; 50: 3. The lightening and peals of thunder which go out from the throne are remiiniscent of the revelation of God at Sinai, that is the God of salvation history. This is a good reminder of the God of the Covenant and of its conclusion of which St.John is about to write about.


Whenever God's Throne is mentioned, it seems we read about the seven Spirits of God. Seven represents both perfection and completion.


Between the ancients and the throne burn 7 torches which were mentioned in 1:4. They are expressly interpretated as symbols of the Holy Spirit St.Matt. 3:11 and Acts 2:3 for the symbolic relationship between fire and Spirit.

The 7 Spirits stands for God's power and omniscience and intervention in the events of history. In 1:4, St.John wishes grace and peace from the seven spirits of God is the same as the Holy Spirit who is sent to the Chruch after the death and resurrection of Christ.
on Jul 10, 2007
In Zach. 4:10, divine power is symbolized by the seven “eyes of the Lord, which range the whole earth”. Combining the eyes with the seven spirits, later on in Apoc., St.John 5:6 tells us that the seven spririts of God sent out into all the earth are the seven eyes of the Lamb which is Christ. This symbolism also found in Is. 11:2 is used to show that God the Father acts through the Spirit His Spirit and that His Spirit has been given to Christ and by Christ to mankind.

[quote] 6-7 "Before the throne there was a sea of glass, like crystal. And in the midst of the throne, and around the throne, were four living creatures full of eyes in front and in back. 7The first living creature was like a lion, the second living creature like a calf, the third living creature had a face like a man, and the fourth living creature was like a flying eagle. [quote]

To further describe the majesty of God, St.John uses the symbols of the sea as transparent as glass and the four living creatures round the throne and on each side of it. Similiar images were used by the prophets to describe the glory of Yahweh. The four living creatures were very like those in Ezekiel’s vision, Isias too, of the chariot of the Lord drawn by four angels representing intelligence, nobility, strength, and agility. Ezek. 1:10; 10:12; Is. 6:2.

Some think these four represent the four gospels or maybe creation itself, but it makes more sense with the context to see they represent God's character or attributes. John describes the first "like a lion." This could represent his power/rule. The second is "like a calf or ox" and would represent strength/service. The third creature "like a man" would describe God's intellect/reason. The fourth creature, "like an eagle" speaks of God's speed/swiftness.


Going back to Christian Tradition, St. Irenaeus has interpretated these four creatures as standing for the four evangelists becasue they ‘carry’ Jesus Christ to men. The one with the face of the man is St. Matthew who starts his book with the genealogy of Christ. The lion stands for St.Mark whose Gospel begins with the voice crying in the wilderness which is where the lion’s roar can be heard. The ox is a reference to the sacrifices in the Temple of Jerusalem, which is where St.Luke begins his account of Christ’s life. The eagle represents St.John who soars to heights to contemplate the divinity of the Word.


on Jul 10, 2007
Apoc.4:8-11 "The four living creatures, each having six wings, were full of eyes around and within. And they do not rest day or night, saying: “Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, Who was and is and is to come!”9Whenever the living creatures give glory and honor and thanks to Him who sits on the throne, who lives forever and ever, 10the twenty-four elders fall down before Him who sits on the throne and worship Him who lives forever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying:
11“You are worthy, O Lord, To receive glory and honor and power; For You created all things, And by Your will they exist and were created.


Four is in Apocalyptic language the cosmic number, the four points of the compass.



Notice these creatures worship God continually without rest day or night. We see they use a trisagion here in their usage of the same word (holy) three times. One time is descriptive, two times would be emphasis, but three times superlative. Nothing is more holy than God. Nothing. He is the Lord God Almighty (all powerful) and he can do it all.


The chant of the four living creatures is virtually the same as that which the prophet Isaias heard the six winged seraphim (angel)sing in his vision of God in the Temple of Jerusalem. ST.John changes the ending by bringing in the new name of God which is an elaboraton of the name Yehweh 1:4. The Catholic Church uses these same words of praise during the Holy Mass. At the end of the Preface, we chant the angelic Holy, holy, Holy, (sanctus, sanctus, sanctus in preparation for the Canon. This angelic chant performed as it is in Heaven and on earth during the sublimity of the Mass, where the worship of God crosses the frontiers of time and space and has a positive influence of the whole world.

They throw down their crowns to show that they realize the victory is due to God and that all power and authority belongs to Him as God is our Creator.

The four creatures who becasue there are 4 of them stand for the the entire universe take the lead in worshipping and praising God. As represented by the 24 elders, they are joined by all the people of God, that is the Church victorious in Heaven.
on Jul 10, 2007
Going back to Christian Tradition, St. Irenaeus has interpretated these four creatures as standing for the four evangelists becasue they ‘carry’ Jesus Christ to men


Now I read something similar but it was all mixed around. For instance the lion represented Matthew and the man represented John etc. There is a wide variety out there what these creatures could be.

We threw this thought out Lula because it's just gussing by trying to make it fit . It can sound good I suppose but it doesn't quite fit the context. What would the point be? Here John is describing the attributes and the majesty of God so in context we look at these animals as representing God. There seems to be a consensus for the most part tho, that it's hard to really pinpoint exactly who these creatures are for absoulute sure.

The four creatures who becasue there are 4 of them stand for the the entire universe


and it says this where? Just because there's 4 it means they stand for the entire universe? How can you back this up? Based on what?

I think they stand for God....nothing to do with the universe. I think the best interpretation is that they are physical embodiments of the attributes of God as the seven lamps represent the HS (v5) keeping the context.

We must remember John is seeing a vision of God in his Throne Room. The world is nowhere in sight here. He's left the world behind.

Pretty interesting tho huh?



on Jul 28, 2007
LULA POSTS:
The four creatures who becasue there are 4 of them stand for the the entire universe


KFC POSTS: and it says this where? Just because there's 4 it means they stand for the entire universe? How can you back this up? Based on what?

I think they stand for God....nothing to do with the universe. I think the best interpretation is that they are physical embodiments of the attributes of God as the seven lamps represent the HS (v5) keeping the context.



I've seen this reference to the number four in various commentaries. The four creatures stand for the four corners of the entire universe which is entirely God's Creation...even the four corners of the universe praise Him. We too are to praise God the Creator in Heaven. I've also seen four in Revelation as a cosmic number as to the four points of the compass. These four points again representing all points of Creation before the Throne of their Creator.