Thyatira-The Tolerating Church
Published on June 16, 2007 By KFC Kickin For Christ In Religion
Well I'm behind with two chuches to get to. The next church on our journey in Revelation is the Church of Thyatira. It covers Rev 2:18-29 and is considered the smallest church of all but God has much to say here about this tiny church. It's called the "Compromising Church." Here's the text:

18“And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write,
‘These things says the Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet like fine brass: 19“I know your works, love, service, faith, and your patience; and as for your works, the last are more than the first. 20“Nevertheless I have a few things against you, because you allow that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce My servants to commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols. 21“And I gave her time to repent of her sexual immorality, and she did not repent. 22“Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds. 23“I will kill her children with death, and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts. And I will give to each one of you according to your works. 24“Now to you I say, and to the rest in Thyatira, as many as do not have this doctrine, who have not known the depths of Satan, as they say, I will put on you no other burden. 25“But hold fast what you have till I come. 26“And he who overcomes, and keeps My works until the end, to him I will give power over the nations—
27‘He shall rule them with a rod of iron; They shall be dashed to pieces like the potter’s vessels’—
as I also have received from My Father; 28“and I will give him the morning star. 29“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.” ’


We do know from Acts 16 that Lydia, the seller of purple was from this city. In the other cities we heard of heavy worship of Emperors. That was not so here although Apollos, the Sun God was worshipped in Thyatira.

This city was a working class city as in the trade industry. From inscriptions discovered we learn it had a large amount of trade guilds associated with it. These guilds or unions were associations for mutual profit and pleasure of people employed in certain trades. There were guilds of workers in wool, leather, linen and bronze, dyers, potters, bakers and slave dealers.

Belonging to these trades you were expected to go the the annual meetings where both wine and immorality flowed freely. Not a place for the Christian to be. The pressure to go was immense. To refuse to join one of these guilds would be much the same as to refuse to join a trade union today. It would mean to give up all prospect of commercial existence.

We see from the passage here the Son of God has eyes like fire. We see this often. He sees what's going on. His eyes can penetrate. We cannot hide from him. When we put on the pretense of church, God sees it all.

His feet, like bronze speaks of judgment and his immoveable power. A letter that starts like this cannot be one to sooth the minds of the reader.

Looking at v19 we can see it's not totally a bad church. Their works are better than when they started. It's a working church. He sees the love they have; more than we saw in Ephesus who lost their first love. We must remember that service is the outcome of love and patient endurance the product of loyalty. This is seen here. There is energy in this church. On the surface this church appears to be flourishing. But, there is a warning here. A church which is crowded with people and a beehive of energy is not necessarily a real Church.

They have "allowed" Jezebel to take control. Who is she? A specific woman? Perhaps. There are many thoughts here on who this person could have been. Some believe this Jezebel could stand for an attitude of false teaching, leading the Church into sin. The historic story of Jezebel can be found in 1 Kings. She was a horror to behold and her influence was so strong that even Elijah fled from her at one point in his life. Either she had come in the spirit of Jezebel or her teaching was prevalent here.

False teaching in a church starts small. It usually doesn't start outright. This Church tolerated it to happen. They didn't take the steps to stop it from happening. This warning is to all Churches NOT to teach false doctrine.

Paul warned the church to be on guard for ravenous wolves that would infiltrate the church. Here we see this happening. It's happening today as well leading us astray. We must not fall for compromise and tolerance that leads us away from true doctrine.

The #1 topic today for the tolerant Church is homosexuality. There's a blasting against churches who don't accept this. We are being coerced to that end with Legislation now being used to force the churches to comply.

False teaching comes in subtle ways. It's ok to accept Jesus as Savior and then go on merry way. It's not being taught in many churches today that not only is he to be our Savior but he's also to be our Lord. In the church of Pergamum the false teaching was creeping in, here it's more serious.

In our chuches today we see man centered theology not God centered. It's all about "what is God doing for me" not "what am I going to do for God." We see this in many of the reading material and even in some of the music. It's all about "me." Some praise choruses do not have a God focus but a man focus. Everything we do as Christians should have God as our focus, especially in our worship of him. Paul addressed this when he warned Timothy in his letter 2 Timothy 3:

But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: 2For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, 4traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away! 6For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts,

We see in V21 that God is a patient God, but eventually even God's patience will evenutually run its course and a day of judgment will replace his longsuffering. We see that there awaits a day of judgment for them that do not repent. There are two paths to take. One leads to rewards and the other to punishments. Jesus said in Luke 13:3,5

“I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish. 5“I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.”

We see she reclines in a sickbed of sin which only brings tribulation and death. All those associated with her share her fate. Is this reference to be taken literally or in the symbolic sense which is so commin in Scripture to sexual immorality or to spiritual infidelity?

We know that in Scripture infidelity to God is expressed in terms of adultery. In the OT Israel is the Bride of God and in the NT the Church is the Bride of Christ. The Israelites were said over and over again in the OT they "played the harlot after strange gods." In the NT the age which is unfaithful is an "evil and adulterous generation." So it could be said that the teaching of Jezebel is the teaching that Christians need not to be exclusive in their worship of Jesus Christ alone. They need not refuse to say "Caesar is Lord." But the true believers know that the claim of Christianity is not that Jesus is one of the Saviours but that he is the ONLY Saviour.

We see followers of Jezebel know the depths of Satan (v24). This is the pits. The bottom of the barrel. This would involve the worship of pagan idols or compromising with them following after the things of Satan, rather than God. Paul wrote about the real Christians knowing the deep things of God ,but here we see Jezebel and crew actually know the deep things of Satan. Those who knew this were those who had deliberately plumbed evil to its depths.

Basically what we can gather here is that Jezebel was teaching that a Christian ought to accommodate himself to the world. She was leading the church into spiritual adultery against the God they had once been faithful to.

V26 is directed to all Christians even in this church that is for the most part following the teachings of Jezebel. To those who are faithful the promise is made and it's twofold. The first part comes from Psalm 2:8-9 which says:

Ask of Me, and I will give You The nations for Your inheritance, And the ends of the earth for Your possession. You shall break them with a rod of iron; You shall dash them to pieces like a potter’s vessel.’ ”

In Jewish belief this is the conquering Messiah who would smash the heathen and extend the rule of Israel to the whole earth. As Christians, it's the beginning of the Millennium Rule of Christ.

The second promise is the promise of the morning star. The promise of the morning star is the promise of Christ himself. We read in 22:16:

“I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star.

So we need to consider two things. We need to think about this. How does this apply to us?

1. What do we tolerate?
2. What do we hold fast to?




Comments
on Jun 16, 2007

So what things of Satan do you think these people are following?  I understand the sexual implication because the name Jezebel....but what other things might one seek out that belong to Satan?

 

on Jun 16, 2007
Well going by the Jezebel connection we need to look at the OT Jezebel for clues. She had a great reputation for wickedness. How many little girls do you know today named Jezebel? Probably similar to having a boy named Judas.



In the OT we see she married Ahab, a King of the Northern Kingdom. She came from Sidon and brought her own gods with her and caused Ahab and his people (the Jews) to worship Baal. She killed the prophets of the true God yet had a table that supported 450 false prophets, 1 Kings 18:13,19. She was Ahab's evil genius. She lied, murdered, had a name for harlotries and sorceries, 2 Kings 9:22.



This Jezebel here in the church at Thyatira was an evil influence on the church in much the same way given the connection and the clues surrounding her. She was a seductress for sure, a very strong woman in this church. She most likely had no wish to destroy the Church but wished to bring into it new ways which were destructive to the faith. Her god was not Jehovah God but Satan. Basically she was seducing the church into false doctrines. Those that followed her, would pay the price.



We see here in this passage that she's accused of two things...eating meat offered to idols and committing fornication. This meat problem was a huge issue in the Christian church. Paul addressed this in 1 Cor 8-10 and we see it mentioned in Acts 15:29 as one of the conditions for the Gentiles to abstain from to be welcomed into the church.



In a nutshell without going into the whole meat thing.....Jezebel in her leadership was urging the Christians to not cut themselves off from society to abstain from the festivities that were so important to the trade unions or guilds of the day. Commercial success was at stake.



So it all boils down to doctrine. It says in v24 "as many as have not this doctrine" There is false doctrine and the truth of Christ. Those that follow the false doctrine are rejecting the truth of the Savior and have made their bed with Jezebel. They have allowed themselves to be seduced.
on Jun 18, 2007
KFC, as per your usual thusfar, this is another very interesting commentary.

Apoc. 2: 18 “And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write: ‘These things says the Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet like fine brass.”

Thyatira was a smaller city in Lykustal that was noted for its commerce and trade and particularly for its smelting, weaving and dyeing. Also for it’s zinc mines where the ore processing industry was also represented there. It’s located some 75 kilometers (48 miles) to the south east of Pergamum.
on Jun 18, 2007
KFC WRITES:
There were guilds of workers in wool, leather, linen and bronze, dyers, potters, bakers and slave dealers.

Belonging to these trades you were expected to go the the annual meetings where both wine and immorality flowed freely. Not a place for the Christian to be. The pressure to go was immense. To refuse to join one of these guilds would be much the same as to refuse to join a trade union today. It would mean to give up all prospect of commercial existence.


Evidently, these guilds or groups of craftsmen existed up until the Middle ages. They organized festivities by special sacrifices in honor of their patron gods. This of course involved danger for Christians because they felt obliged to take part. This is the same for Christians today who are under pressure to join this group or that who aren’t standing up for God’s standards in this world.
on Jun 18, 2007
KFC WRITES:
We see from the passage here the Son of God has eyes like fire. We see this often. He sees what's going on. His eyes can penetrate. We cannot hide from him. When we put on the pretense of church, God sees it all.

His feet, like bronze speaks of judgment and his immoveable power. A letter that starts like this cannot be one to sooth the minds of the reader.


Jesus introduces Himself to the community with His highest title of majesty. Jesus Christ is depicted explicitly as “the Son of God”. This is the only time He is given this title in the Apocalypse, but it is implicit in many references to God as His Father 1:6; 3:5; 21;14:1.
on Jun 18, 2007
Apoc. 2:19 “I know your works, and thy faith, and thy charity, and thy ministry, and thy patient endurance; and thy latter works exceed the first.”


To begin, the letter begins with the praise of the good works of the members of this Chruch.. Their love and faithfulness are demonstrated in their genuine service to one another. To this is added their endurance which had not weakened despite the difficulties which had arisen for the community from within and without. Unlike the Chruch at Ephesus, it’s “latter works” are more perfect than its earlier works. IN other words, the Christian life is making progress in virtue.
on Jun 18, 2007
Apoc. 2: 20 “But I have a few things against you: that you tolerate the woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce My servants to commit fornication and to eat of things sacrificed to idols."


Here, Our Lord inveighs against those Christians who are compromising themselves by taking part in pagan worship involving idolatry and aberrant sexual practices. This letter could be referring to the same Nicolaitian heresy or to the Gnostic cults because they had secret teachings “what some call the deep things of Satan”.


“that you tolerate the woman Jezebel” Christ calls her Jezebel because of her bad influence leading many people astray by getting them to take part in idolatrous rites and banquets.
on Jun 18, 2007
Apoc. 2: 21-23 “And I gave her time to repent her sexual immorality, and she will not repent. 22 “Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her shall be in very great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds. 23 “and I will kill her children with death, and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches minds and hearts. And I will give to each one of you according to your works.”

The passage reveals how patient God is in order to give the erring ones time to recognize their evil ways and repent. This is a warning which those who persist in evil must bear in mind, for the more we postpone getting out of sin and turning to God, the greater the danger we run of dying with our sins for the simple reason that bad habits become harder and harder to shed. Whenever we sin, our Lord goes further away from us, and we grow weaker and the devil gets more control of us. The conclusion is the longer we remain in sin, the greater the risk we run of never being converted.


This time grace has no expired because their stubbornness leaves no hope for improvement. The Lord meted out punishment to the first offender. She will be struck down with an illness that will lead to death. The same will happen to her followers. They are warned to this effect in the hopes that this will cause them to repent.

The fate of the teachers of false doctrine in Thyatria is meant as a warning to all communities that their Lord will come on them with judgment if the do not use the time for repentance. The judgment of Christ vindicates His power.

on Jun 18, 2007
Hey Lula,

See you've found your way here...heheheheh......

thanks for your commentary.....no problems here.....we're pretty much in sync! How about them apples?

on Jun 18, 2007
Apoc. 2: 24-25 “And to the rest who are at Thyatira: whosoever has not this doctrine, and who have not known the depths of Satan, as they say, I will not put on you any other burden. 25 “only hold fast what you have till I come.”


Knowledge of “the depths of Satan” was another aspect of the Nicolaitan heresy as well as knowledge with Gnosticism which was making headway in the East at the time. Some scholars think they claimed to possess secrets leading to salvation.


The last exhortation is telling the faithful to hold fast to the attitude they have shown till now and they will not be overburdened.


Apoc 2: 26-28 “And he that shall overcome, and keeps My works until the end, I will give him power over the nations. 27 and He shall rule them with a rod of iron; and as the vessel of a potter they shall be broken. 28 As I also have received of My Father: and I will give him the morning star. 29 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.” ’


Aside from what you have already written,

the promise made to the victors involves in Christ’s sovereignity and power becasue one is in full communion with Him. The “morning star” may also refer to the perfect communion with the Lord enjoyed by those who persevere to the end. The symbolism of the power given to the victors v. 26-27 is followed by reference to sharing in the resurrection and glory of Christ expressed by the image of the morning star which heralds the day that is the rebirth or resurrection.


“power over the nations”, This shows that the saints who are with Christ in heaven receive power from Him to preside over nations and provinces as patrons and shall come with Him at the end of the world to execute His will against those who have not kept His commandments.
on Jun 18, 2007
Knowledge of “the depths of Satan” was another aspect of the Nicolaitan heresy as well as knowledge with Gnosticism which was making headway in the East at the time. Some scholars think they claimed to possess secrets leading to salvation.


Since the Nicolatian heresy wasn't mentioned here...like it was in the previous church we cannot make that leap. All we can know for sure is what is mentioned here and two things are mentioned....eating food sacrificed to idols and sexual immorality...both things forbidden to the new Christians to partake of...whether the sexual immorality is either physical or spiritual.

Now, having said that we do know these types of things were part of Gnosticism which believed whatever done in the body didn't matter anyhow because the body and spirit were not really connected as far as salvation was concerned. It was the mind that had to be protected, the body could be involved in whatever sin that came down the pike and still be ok.

on Jun 18, 2007
Knowledge of “the depths of Satan” was another aspect of the Nicolaitan heresy




I agree and that's why I wrote another aspect of the Nicolaitan heresy meaning that sexual immorality was common to the Church at Thyatria as with the others.