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Published on April 5, 2007 By KFC Kickin For Christ In History
As a student of the bible, I love to hear about the discoveries that have over the years only given much credence to this book. There have been many stories of brilliant minds that have attempted to disprove the scriptures only to succumb to the realization that the bible is truly a magnificant piece of literature unlike any other.

William Albright, known for his reputation as one of the great archaeologists, said: "There can be no doubt that archaeology has confirmed the substantial historicity of Old Testament tradition."

He also said: "The exessive skepticism shown toward the Bible by important historical schools of the 18th & 19th centuires, certain phases of which still appear periodically, has been progressively discredited. Discovery after discovery has established the accuracy of innumerable details, and has brought increased recognititon to the value of the Bible as a source of history."

Millar Burrows of Yale observes: "Archaeology has in many cases refuted the views of modern critics. it has shown in a number of instances that these views rest on false assumptions and unreal, artifical schemes of historical development."

He also exposes the cause of much unbelief: "The excessive skepticism of many liberal theologians stems not from a careful evaluation of the available data, but from an enormous predisposition against the supernatural."

This is still true today. How many of us are coming to the table with our predisposed beliefs based on what we've just picked up along the way? I hear alot of repititon from those that have no idea where they've heard such and such. It's like gossip. They are picking up and passing on what they have had whispered in their ears. I did this myself for a while until I realized I really had nothing to back myself up on other than what I heard from another.

He adds: "On the whole, archaelogical work has unquestionably strengthened confidence in the reliability of the scriptural record. More than one archaeologist has found his respect for the Bible increased by the experience of excavation in Palestine". :

Sir William Ramsay is regarded as one of the greatest archaeologists ever to have lived. He was a student in the German historical school of the mid 19th century. He believed the Book of Acts was a product of the mid 2nd century AD. He was very convinced of this belief. In his research to make a topographical study of Asia Minor he was compelled to consider the writings of Luke, the physician. As a result he was forced to do a complete reversal of his beliefs due to the overwhelming evidence uncovered in his research. He said this about his change of mind:

"I may fairly claim to have entered on this investigation without prejudice in favor of the conclusion which I shall now seek to justify to the reader. On the contrary, I began with a mind unfavorable to it, for the ingenuity and apparent completness of the Tubingen theory had at one time quite convinced me. it did not then lie in my line of life to investigate the subject minutely; but more recenly I found myself brought into contact with the Book of Acts as an authority for the topgraphy , antiquities and socieity of Asia Minor. It was gradually borne upon me that in various details the narrative showed marvelous truth. In fact, beginning with a fixed idea that the work was essentially a 2nd century composition and never relying on its evidence as trustworthy for first century conditions, I gradually came to find it a useful ally in some obscure and difficult investigations."

Ramsay concluded after 30 years of study that "Luke is a historian of the first rank; not merely are his statements of fact trustworthy......."this author should be placed along with the very greatest of historians." Ramsay also says: "Luke's history is unsurpassed in respect of its trustworthiness."

To even consider this book coming from an all powerful God it MUST meet certain requirements. It has to be transmitted to us accurately from the time it was originally written so we have exactly what God wanted us to have. Next it must be correct when it deal with dates, events and places. A book that has these things mixed up has no right to claim it comes from an infallible God.

If you test the NT documents with the same standard of tests applied to any of the Greek classics, the evidence overwhelmingly favors the NT. If someone states that we have a reliable text of classics, then that same person would be forced to admit that the NT is also just as reliable.

Actually many don't realize that the original NT copies were in better textual shape than the 37 plays of Shakespeare written in the 17th century, after the invention of printing. In every one of his plays there are gaps in the printed text where we have no idea what originally was said. Textual scholars were forced to make good guesses to fill in the blanks. With the abundance of existing manuscripts of the NT we know nothing has been lost through the transmission of the text.

Those who contend that the Bible is unreliable historically are not historians or archeologists. While I can't prove the bible is inspired or written by the very hand of God, (although I believe it to be true,) I do believe the evidence supports the claim the Bible certainly is the very word of God.



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on Jan 03, 2008
Hope that helps.


Thanks AD. I'm not anything near a HEbrew Scholar either. You're doing quite well. I rely heavily on my lexicons, dictionaries and any contact I can think of if I need to go deep. Greek is much easier for me than Hebrew. Someday I'd love to take a "Hebrew for Dummies" class.

Before this discussion turned into a pissing contest,


Forgive my ignorance but what's that supposed to mean?

My argument against that was the history is very unstable, so basing something on history (and not evidence) is a very slippery slope.


well it depends on what kind of history you're talking about. Heresay? Yes, I'd agree with you. Historical heresy is unstable. But validated history is stable history. The fact that Washington lived during the Revolutionary War was documented history. The fact that he was President is also history. So how can that be unstable? Not all history is unstable. Most history is pretty well documented and therefore pretty stable.

When it comes to the bible, it's the same. It's written down for all to see and mock if they wish. When put side by side with historical evidence outside of the bible it matches up quite nicely. That's what I'm talking about.



on Jan 04, 2008
Most of ancient history is heresy, and what was written down was from the point of view of the author, for instance, ask peoples views on Bill Clinton, and you get two extremes, which one is correct? Probably neither.

As far as the bible matching history...since most of the world doesnt follow the christian version of god, you might find one or two people who don't agree with you.

And Again, your saying that based on history, and history are the same,
on Jan 04, 2008
As far as the bible matching history...since most of the world doesnt follow the christian version of god, you might find one or two people who don't agree with you.


you've got history mixed up with opinion. History is History. Opinion is Opinion. There is plenty of secular history that matches up quite nicely with scripture. For instance the 4 Kingdoms. We read and see where the Babylonian Empire was the first great world power followed by the Medes and Persians followed by Greece and then Rome. Well it's all right there in scripture, sometimes even predicted before it even happened as the case of Daniel prophesying in Daniel 2.

JC Ryle in the 1800's knew from reading scripture that somehow Israel would go into their own land. He said this contrary to world opinion that had long written off the Jews. The Jews were wandering the world with no country of their own for almost 2,000 years and Ryle was laughed at when he suggested such a thing as the Jews having their own homeland. There was no movement, no support and not even a thought this would be true. But scripture predicted it would happen and in 1948 history caught up with prophecy and it's now much recorded history. Not opinion.

And while I agree two people witnessing an accident or any event wouldn't be completely in agreement, it's not that way with the 40 authors who penned the Old and New Testaments. That's because there is definitely a supernatural element to it. As a Christian I believe that is because we believe there is only one author with 40 men being used as the instrument of God much the same way you and I use a pen (in many diff colors) as instuments when we write.

That's the only way it can make sense. Otherwise how in the world would we be able to get all these men to agree like they did over a span of many years forget about agreeing about one incident?


for instance, ask peoples views on Bill Clinton, and you get two extremes, which one is correct? Probably neither.


Again you're asking for viewpoint. That's not history. That's opinion. History is Clinton committing adultery. Did it happen or not? That's history.

Opinion is, he was/wasn't that bad as a president. There is a definite line drawn between opinion and history.
on Jan 04, 2008
I can also give you unlimited amount of finds in all areas of the spectrum which supported scripture in later discoveries. Some even thought to be a hoax until later discoveries proved scripture...yet again....to be accurate.


can you provide any single find supporting the notion all animal species that ever existed came into being at the same time and were once represented on earth simultaneously?


If and when the ark is found, then that would just be another piece that would be explained away like everything else is.


even if an intact ark were discovered tomorrow, its existence would hardly be evidence of a global flood, much less one in which all mankind but noah's family was wiped out.

found myself brought into contact with the Book of Acts as an authority for the topgraphy , antiquities and socieity of Asia Minor. It was gradually borne upon me that in various details the narrative showed marvelous truth.


1000 years from now, archeologists researching ancient baltimore will be saying the same thing upon the discovery of screenplays written by the two guys who write 'the wire'. none of those details cited prove or disprove luke's accounts of jesus' divinity any more than actually seeing for yourself an actual 747 being saved from crashing into what we all recognize as a large national airport establishes the existence of superman.
on Jan 04, 2008
can you provide any single find supporting the notion all animal species that ever existed came into being at the same time and were once represented on earth simultaneously?


I can't but I thought that the scientists were believing this to be true from a Scientific POV.

even if an intact ark were discovered tomorrow, its existence would hardly be evidence of a global flood, much less one in which all mankind but noah's family was wiped out.


and this proves my point exactly. It doesn't really matter does it?

1000 years from now, archeologists researching ancient baltimore will be saying the same thing upon the discovery of screenplays written by the two guys who write 'the wire'. none of those details cited prove or disprove luke's accounts of jesus' divinity any more than actually seeing for yourself an actual 747 being saved from crashing into what we all recognize as a large national airport establishes the existence of superman.


and are we doing that now with other works of antiquity? Homer? Plato? Aristotle? Virgil? Horace?

It's funny isn't it that these writers/philosophers I cited are NEVER questioned even tho they are older and have less manuscriptual evidence than the scriptures have. We have better textual evidence for scripture than any other work of antiquity yet the bible is more attacked than any other. Go figure.



on Jan 06, 2008
KFC, are you asking us if Homer, Plato, Aristotle, Virgil, Horce, got things wrong?
Well of course they did. And if they were at all reasonable people, and knew what we know now, they themselves would admit to being wrong. You say they have never been questioned? I would guess that almost all of their theories have been proven wrong, or drasticaly modified.

Did some of them make up fictional stories, knowing that they were completely made up (sometimes refered to as fiction)?
Well of course they did.

on Jan 06, 2008
KFC, you say History is History, and Opinion is Opinion.

History books are writen by writers with opinions.

That writer is sharing his/her opinion of an event, then it gets modified by other writers opinions when they write their History Book.

Just as history changes, so do religions, I would agree that parts of religion are based on historical events. Most of the modern versions of religion are less then 1000 years old. Even the catholic church is less then 1500, which is the bases of all christian religions. In the last 250 years how many religions have been invented in the united states alone? How many times has history been modified?

Again, my point is that Religion & History are both very unstable.
on Jan 06, 2008
can you provide any single find supporting the notion all animal species that ever existed came into being at the same time and were once represented on earth simultaneously?


I can't but I thought that the scientists were believing this to be true from a Scientific POV.


which reputable, degreed scientists have proposed or concurred with anything of the sort within the last 100 years?

on Jan 07, 2008
KFC, Science supports that god created animals in one instance????

Actually recently it is the other way around, some religious leaders now saying that god crearted evolution, and that evolution is responsible for life. ince god doesn't exist, that is horse pucky.

Here is one guy who is preaching it, I guess he wrote a popular book about it recently.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Dowd

Maybe god created the big bang
Maybe god created light, gravity, time, etc...
Maybe god created great big clouds of intersteller dust that formed into solar systems.
Maybe god created life thru evolution.

Maybe god is an imaginary friend of us humans.

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As a side note, here are 2 good suggestion for arguing for religion.
Dont make things up, you will eventually be called on them (and mocked)

Dont always have an answer, its ok to say 'I dont know', otherwise it leads to breaking above rule.
on Jan 07, 2008
Maybe god created the big bang
Maybe god created light, gravity, time, etc...
Maybe god created great big clouds of intersteller dust that formed into solar systems.
Maybe god created life thru evolution.




he may have done all of that.


but what he did do was create the laws of physics that all of those things run by
on Jan 07, 2008
I Thought that was covered when I said light, gravity, time, etc...
on Jan 07, 2008
I Thought that was covered when I said light, gravity, time, etc...


you did but you used the word maybe and i didn't.
on Jan 12, 2008
HAPPY NEW YEAR, KFC AND ALL,

Although we in my house are still enjoying a wonderful array of Christmas goodies as candy canes, fudge, peanut brittle, zucchini bread and the like, the Christmas season after the celebration of the feast of the Epiphany is now turned into the new year and the last of the decorations are now all repacked and in storage.

Your article KFC is very interesting with the first paragraph and the last topping it off!

I note it was written last April, the discussion was picked up in November and renewed on January 1, 2008. The Holy Bible and history is a great topic to begin a New Year.

I'll be back with a comment or two on translations, Columbus, 66 Books, and Bryan Harstad's assertion that
Even the catholic church is less then 1500,


Should be fun!






on Jan 12, 2008
What exactly are you referring to? Exodus is the title of the Book "Exodus" and means "departure" I don't think "Exodus" is used in scripture otherwise.

The English title comes from the title in the Septuagint. The Exodus (way out) is the principal theme of the book.


The Torah refers to Exodus as "Sh'mot" from its opening phrase, " Ve-eleh shmot" ("And these are the names..."). I think the poster has confused the title of the book with a translation issue. Exod 13:18 translates literally as 'sea of reeds'.

Be well.
on Jan 12, 2008
If several of us witness a traffic light turning from green to red and write down what we saw, our account would be historically accurate. But if we each added our own understanding of the meaning, purpose, and message of the light turning red, as in say, that the light turning red was a sign of God's anger toward us, or that God didn't like green, this would not necessarily be accurate, regardless of the veracity of each witness.

KFC argues that because there was a light and it turned red, the rest must be true, as well.

Be well.
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