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Published on February 4, 2007 By KFC Kickin For Christ In Religion
So now we come to the point of fairness. We rarely seem to debate the "only good people go" to heaven theory because that does seem fair to us. The "Jesus is the only way" belief is not quite so fair in our estimations because it seems......well.....so dogmatic. How can that be fair? On the surface it may seem unfair and Christians sometimes do feel uncomfortable saying so. It's hard to be dogmatic about anything nowadays anyway.

Stanley's punchline to all this is "Christianity is the fairest possible system in a world that is irreversibly unfair." Ha, spoken by a true Christian. Surprise, Surprise, Surprise!! I know that's what you're thinking.

But think about it. How fair is believing in a system predicated upon adhering to a list of rules we can't seem to find given to us by a God who hasn't been kind enough to explain the system to us? How fair would your kids say you were if you came down on them after they broke rules that you never explained to them beforehand?

Does something have to be fair to be true? Don't we dismiss Christianity because we deem it's not fair? But does that mean it can't be true? Are we using fairness as a test for truth? Do we dismiss the words of Christ because we believe he's not telling the truth because he doesn't seem fair?

How do we pick the church/religion we go to? Is it based on truth? Or is it based on what we like or how we were raised or maybe it's what makes me comfortable? Maybe it's just for the simple reason I can get something out of it. It suits me. Shouldn't we choose our belief system because it's based on truth?

I know, I know. Truth is not popular nowadays. I get it. But once you decide that there is a forever after this life you are staking that on what you choose to believe is true. It's not pleasant I know, but something can be absolutely unfair and true at the same time. We shouldn't believe what is true based on fairness. Most of us know what it's like to be on the other side of unfairness. How many have received a bad grade that wasn't fair? Maybe the teacher didn't even look closely at the project. Maybe the teacher likes boys, and you just happened to be a girl. It happens. Is it fair? Nope. Is it true that you received a C instead of the A that was worthy of the input? So fairness is not necessarily truth.

How about in sports? How many umpires or refs do you see make unfair calls? Did it happen? Yes. It's true....little Bobby struck out it's true. But it sure wasn't fair.

Many walk away from Christianity because they deem it unfair. Because it's unfair, they say, it isn't true. Is that fair?

The initial appeal of the "good people go" system seems to be perfectly fair. But when you really look, it's not really fair at all. But is it true? We all have to decide that for ourselves. The trouble is there are hundreds of diff versions out there on this. You have the Hindu version, the Mormon version, the Muslim version, the Jewish version etc. They each have their own list of to do's to enter heaven and they each in turn have their own prophets that will tell you how to do this getting their direct revelation from God.

Christianity stands out in this respect. it's not about fairness at all but about forgiveness. What we see in Christianity is God laying aside fairness and instead indulged us with his mercy and grace. As you may know, grace is something we receive but DON'T deserve, and mercy is not receiving what we DO deserve.

Don't we say to our kids all the time..."Life isn't fair" in response to their little hissy fits? But do we believe it? When they say that to us isn't it usually because they are not receiving what they want? Don't we usually, when it comes to ourselves, demand fairness but when it's not about us say...."well life isn't fair."

Do you demand fairness when your child recieved a "ball" when it should have been a "strike?" Do you jump to your feet and yell, "hey that's not fair. He deserved a strike. It was right over the plate?" Huh? You don't do that? You don't demand fairness in this situation? Why not? Is it because you were content with mercy? I bet the dad of the pitcher felt differently. I bet he was furious.

Think about it. How often do you demand fairness when you get more than your share? Yes, it happens but not often. Sometimes we do jump to the aid of others because we feel they didn't get their fair shake. But in all reality how often do we do this? Is it often enough that we are willing to redistribute our wealth to put everyone on a level economic playing field? No? Why is that?

Is it because.....life just isn't fair?

next time.......let's think this thru.






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on Feb 05, 2007
"I'm saying that God in this case made that decision. It wasn't all the pagans anyhow, it was a particular group of people who were very savage and nasty and it was affecting the nation Israel."


And you have the chronicler to believe. You believe the book by default, so anything that they put in the book that God did you believe to be just. Therefore your definition of God comes from people who didn't even know the earth was round.

"We are fighting a media war and it will never work. THe only thing the Muslims understand and appreciate is power, strength. "


Which Muslims? Just the ones in IRaq? The ones in Palestine? The ones in Indonesia, or here in the US? Maybe he meant "arabs"? Maybe he just meant people within a specific culture in the Middle East.

That's where things get hairy, when you start tarring everyone with the same brush. When you believe it might be just for some such group to be totally wiped from the face of the earth, it becomes even more difficult. Then you have to wonder whether you are following God into battle, or some guy who has convinced you he knows what God thinks.

That's what I see God doing. Putting a stop to it and going after the root. He just didn't take up the top he went down deep to stop this evil from spreading.


Evil, as in other forms of worship. Or people warring over land, which is the same thing that Israel did. Evil as in people who were willing to sacrifice their children, like Abraham? Whatever happened to 'love the sinner, hate the sin"?

Would an omnipotent God need to commit genocide to protect Israel or stop pagan worship? Seems like a clumsy way to get the job done when you have limitless power and time and space at your disposal. Sounds more like people excusing their genocide by using God as a scapegoat.
on Feb 05, 2007
I've broken all 10 commandments.


Wow, KFC, I didn't know you were a cold-blooded killer. Or that you slept around on the hubby.
on Feb 05, 2007
Whatever happened to 'love the sinner, hate the sin"?


It's sooooooo passé. No hardline fundamentalist believes that.
on Feb 05, 2007
I would imagine she's going on the quote from Jesus that says that if you have been angry with someone without cause, you've already committed murder, yadda yadda.
on Feb 05, 2007
I would imagine she's going on the quote from Jesus that says that if you have been angry with someone without cause, you've already committed murder, yadda yadda.


But those aren't the ten commandments. Those are Jesus' revisions, not the "originals". She's the one who said she's broken all ten. Quite the accomplishment, if you ask me.

Wow, KFC, I didn't know you were a cold-blooded killer. Or that you slept around on the hubby.


I guess she's a thief, a blasphemer, disrespects her parents, and lies too.

Wow.


Pschaw. I thought I was a sinner.
on Feb 05, 2007
"But those aren't the ten commandments. Those are Jesus' revisions, not the "originals". She's the one who said she's broken all ten. Quite the accomplishment, if you ask me."


No, I think Jesus was saying that it is a matter of intent. As in Matthew 5.
[27] Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
[28] But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.


I would imagine she's saying she's broken all ten commandments in those terms. If she has murdered I'd be interested in hearing all about it, though, lol.
on Feb 05, 2007
If she has murdered I'd be interested in hearing all about it, though, lol.


Me too, gory details and all . . .
on Feb 06, 2007
so having fun guys? Did I give you a good laugh? Sounds like you're having loads of fun here.

Baker is right here when he quotes what Jesus said about the law. He basically lifted the bar quite a bit. Every commandment broken comes first from the heart. For many of us it doesn't go much further. For some, it does turn into action. Some of my sins indeed turn into action. God judges us from the heart...that's where it's all at. But before the rumor mill gets churning away much more here, let me at least tell you....I've not murdered anyone....at least not physically and I've never stepped out on on my hubby. I'm sure you're all sighing a big sigh of relief on that one....so I'm glad NOT to disappoint you.......ya, right!!

Therefore your definition of God comes from people who didn't even know the earth was round.


well this isn't quite correct Baker. The bible writers did believe the earth was round. Isaiah spoke of the circle of the earth. It was the religionists in the CC that believed the earth was flat. They didn't read their bible I guess.

If she has murdered I'd be interested in hearing all about it, though, lol.


wouldn't you tho? What's amatter Baker, getting nervous? Hahahah..



Hmmm, so she's WANTED to murder someone? DESIRED to worship a false God? LUSTED after the pool boy in her heart?Whatta perv.


gotta luv you LW....always looking for an opportunity......we don't have a pool btw.

it's a good thing we're saved by grace and not the law....otherwise we'd all be sunk.

on Feb 06, 2007
Evil, as in other forms of worship. Or people warring over land, which is the same thing that Israel did. Evil as in people who were willing to sacrifice their children, like Abraham? Whatever happened to 'love the sinner, hate the sin"?


Abraham did not sacrifice his child. He was told AFTER God had more than proved himself to him to take his son Isaac up the mountain. Yes, he was told to sacrifice his child. But the same God that told him he would have a child in old age was the same God that promised that child would produce seed that would be as the number of the grains of the sea. He had faith in God, because as I keep telling you God had already proved himself.....showed him the evidence.....and he believed. There was a relationship between God and Abraham way before this happened. So when he went up that mountain, there's no telliing what went thru his mind. He knew God would somehow provide...because if you read the text thru you'd see he told the servants that he AND the boy would be back.

It's not even close to being as the pagans believed.

Would an omnipotent God need to commit genocide to protect Israel or stop pagan worship? Seems like a clumsy way to get the job done when you have limitless power and time and space at your disposal. Sounds more like people excusing their genocide by using God as a scapegoat.


If it was directly affectng his firstborn, (Israel) God intervened. He didn't wipe out all the pagans..there was war between the diff groups and God was working thru the Israelites in getting his plans and purpose accomplished. I believe he will be doing the same thing, when Iran invades Israel.. It will be done. It's just a matter of time. When it happens, God will again intervene. You can read all about this in Ezek 38-40.

You see it as clumsy I see it as a way that God displays his power and strength. That's the whole reason God chose Israel in the first place. Not because they were better than any other nation. It was a people that he called his own to show the world what God will do for those that are his, if they would but follow him he would bless their socks off. They were supposed to be a light to the pagan world, like we, as Christians are supposed to be a light to the gentiles. Not only did Israel fail in that mission, we, as Christians are failing as well.
on Feb 06, 2007
Fair? The only fair I know of is held in october in Dallas.
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on Feb 06, 2007
No, I read scripture for myself like the Reformers did and realized that Christ did not institute any true denomination on earth. He even said his kingdom was no part of this world.


in other words, you (and they) decided--totally absent of even the slightest hint of direct divine approval much less out-and-out authorization--yall were more capable of discerning truth than the apostolic church? what's different between what you've done and mohammed determining jews and christians had wandered too far from god?

all of you believe truth is your exclusive province--based largely on what you like or how you were raised or maybe it's what makes you comfortable? Maybe it's just for the simple reason you can get something out of it.

did truth remain true for the first millenium ad and only then somehow become false?
on Feb 06, 2007
Wait, wait wait, Mr. KingBee....you still have not answered my question.....let's not play dodge ball ok?

You said.....directed at me.....

But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.


and I asked....

and I'm causing others to sin by doing what?


when you answer me that, I'll respond to your latest.

on Feb 06, 2007
Fair? The only fair I know of is held in october in Dallas.


hahaha ya, the English language...no wonder it's hard to understand sometimes...

that's a long fair...almost a month. I guess it's true the Texans do everything up big and I guess long too.

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