How Do You Know for Sure?
Published on January 29, 2007 By KFC Kickin For Christ In Religion
The million dollar question is How does one get to heaven? The prerequisite is death, and for that we seem to all agree. But after that let the speculation begin. For many life is much too busy to even think about this right now. I mean life is pretty full right now to even bother thinking that far ahead. Life has to be lived, jobs have to be done, kids have to be fed, my tv program has to be watched and I do have to sleep at least 1/3 of the day. There is just no time to think about this right now. Isn't that what we believe even if we don't come out and say it?

When I was on vacation I read a book by Andy Stanley called "How Good is Good Enough?" In his book he brings up some very good logical points that I believe many have not thought thru. Many times I hear that if one is "good enough" they can enter heaven. Obviously that is a very common belief and one that Stanley tackles in his book.

Most people believe that once you die your soul goes somewhere. Most believe in heaven, some believe in hell. In spite of all the differences out there, all share one common denominator: how you live on this side of eternity determines where you spend eternity on the other side.

If God appeared to you at the gate and asked you "Why should I allow you into heaven? how would you answer? Most people no matter if they are Christian, Hindu, or Muslim would answer with:

"I always do .......
"I never have done........."
I've done more good than bad....."
"I've tried my best to be......."

The majority of answers recall living a good life, and living a good life is another prerequisite for heaven. So then we need only to behave ourselves now and we can reach heaven. Now back to our lives.

But as you get older, you start to think more often about it even if you find yourself pushing it away from your mind. Maybe you get some bad health news, or you go to yet another funeral. Maybe it's going to a birthday party or maybe it's your own birthday that gets you to thinking about eternity. You may not talk about it, but it's there.

The mortality rate for humans is 100%, and as we get older it becomes more evident in our minds. As good as we can be, and we usually think we're pretty good, we can't really be sure we're good enough. We can hope so. But how can we know for sure? Where's the line? The standard? Is there enough time to do more good deeds to counterbalance the bad ones? Who decides? If it's God, shouldn't he have been a bit more clearer about how all this works? A mile marker would do or a mid term would be helpful.

But hey we have religion and their many books to help us right? We have teachers, preachers, rabbis, priests, lamas and they are all in the business of getting us to the other side. Ok, so why are we still unsure? Many even tho they have been religiously taught one way or the other are still not confident in their standing before God. Stanley puts a quote in his book from Gandhi showing that even Gandhi couldn't find certainty in religion. If he couldn't be sure can we? When questioned why he proselytized in the arena of politics but not religion Gandhi said:

"In the realm of the political and social and economic, we can be sufficiently certain to convert; but in the realm of religion there is not sufficient certainty to convert anybody, and therefore, there can be no coversions in religions."

Even what we would consider the salt of the earth people here, can sometimes have no idea where they will spend eternity of if they are good enough to enter. The best they can say is "I hope so." Why is that? If the nicest, kindest, most loving people we know here on earth can't know for sure how can we? Why don't they know? Because nobody can tell you how good you have to be to go to heaven. Nobody.

In his book Stanley talks of making dangerous assumptions. For many of us we go to bed assuming we will wake up in the morning. We don't worry about waking up to smoke filled bedrooms because we have smoke alarms. We feel safe. But do we test them? Do our extinquishers work? Do we test them? Or do we assume they work? Yet in spite of our lack of investigation we go to bed every night under the assumption that our family is safe. Since most think they are good, they go to bed assuming that if they were to die in their sleep (it happens) they would find themselves standing at the pearly gates hoping they have the right answers or enough good deeds to get in.

How many of us even take the time to test the assumption that good people go to heaven? Are we too busy? After all the logic seems fair. If you do well, you deserve good things. It's a reward for good behavior. After all, this action and reaction relationship is illustrated in all the religions. The Bible, the Koran, the Book of Mormon, Ellen White's Books etc. all tell of God's eagerness to reward good behavior in this life. So it only seems fair if you do well here, you go to heaven. Plain and simple.

Also it's logical to assume that if God is good and dwells in a good place, then it makes sense that God would surround himself with good people. Bad people wouldn't go to heaven. That's not logical. Don't we think that? We tell our kids if they're good they can go to a very special event or be treated to a very special place as a reward for good behavior.

While we know we're not perfect, at the same time we feel as though we are good enough for heaven. The truth is very few people that believe in life after this earthly one believe they aren't going to a better place. Almost 90% of Americans believe in heaven while only about 30% believe in a hell. Most that believe in hell don't think they are going there.

What other view could there be? Bad people go to heaven? Nope, can't be. Unthinkable. All the experts can't be that off can they?

I'd like to look at that next time.









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on Feb 01, 2007
You would really compare a woman who lived in Palestine, the West Bank, at the same time as Jesus with people living now in the Muslim world? Are you kidding?


First of all I didn't. Those I mentioned were before Christ. And they were living in the wilderness pretty much especially Rahab. So what's the diff? None that I mentioned were in the time of Christ.





on Feb 01, 2007
What about neanderthals?


and what year are we talking? What area of the world? It's not going to change my answer tho. We are saved the same way. By faith. It never changes.

There's no diff way. There's no magic solution. It's all a matter of faith. Believe in God by faith.
on Feb 01, 2007
and what year are we talking? What area of the world? It's not going to change my answer tho. We are saved the same way. By faith. It never changes.

There's no diff way. There's no magic solution. It's all a matter of faith. Believe in God by faith.


So, you're saying that neanderthals, ignorant of God, would've still been saved?

That's what i'm talking about, is way back when. Before the concept of God, or Jesus, or the like. Who then, did they have faith in? Were they then, doomed to hell?

So, "God's the way, or the highway," would be a good summation of where you stand on that issue, correct?

on Feb 01, 2007
KFC doesn't believe in Neanderthals. If she does she believes they were either deformed humans or some sort of ape. Neanderthals died out 20,000+ years ago, and KFC believes that the earth is less than 7,000 years old.
on Feb 01, 2007
Well I think the earth is a bit older but pretty much you're correct Baker. I am in the young earth camp.

So if you're talking pre-Adam SP. Baker's right. I don't believe in the evolutionary theory so I would have to agree to disagree with you on that...since this is not an evolution-creation debate. Baker and I have been thru that already.

I don't believe in any humans before Adam.
on Feb 01, 2007
Ah, I see.

Personally, I believe that both evolution and creationism work well hand in hand. My belief, albeit unorthadox, on it is that they're both tools of God. We were created, and we evolved. Simple.

Anywho, whatever floats your boat KFC.

Peace, ~Lucas
on Feb 01, 2007
"Well I think the earth is a bit older but pretty much you're correct Baker. I am in the young earth camp. "


According to Ham and answersingenesis Adam was created around 4000 BC. How old do you figure it to be? Not being a smartalek, just wondering about the differences in opinion and where they come from.
on Feb 01, 2007
My belief, albeit unorthadox, on it is that they're both tools of God. We were created, and we evolved. Simple. [/quote]

Is this based on anything substantial or is it "just your belief?"

[quote]
According to Ham and answersingenesis Adam was created around 4000 BC. How old do you figure it to be? Not being a smartalek, just wondering about the differences in opinion and where they come from.


well I wouldn't have a hard time really with Ham's answer. I don't think it's smart to give an exact 4000 BC so much. Did he say it like that? I'd say myself a range of 7000-10,000 years would be my thought.

I just checked and found this:

The earth’s magnetic field has been decaying so fast that it couldn’t be more than about 10,000 years old. Rapid reversals during the flood year and fluctuations shortly after just caused the field energy to drop even faster.

which is about what I believe as well. Thanks for clarifying your comment in that you weren't being a smarty pants.....I just never know with you....and it was late last night....   I was getting cranky myself.

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on Feb 01, 2007
~KFC~

Was that directed towards me?
on Feb 01, 2007
I'm SHOCKED that you would go by some scientific mumbo jumbo, KFC, when you have "THE WORD" right there with all the numbers in it.

"Conclusion

A straightforward reading of the biblical genealogies from the reliable Masoretic Text shows that Adam was created about 4000 BC and that the Flood occurred around 2500 BC. Contextual, linguistic and historical analyses of the book of Genesis confirm that the chronogenealogies are a complete record with no gaps. Creationists who wish to push back the date of the Flood and Creation to fit their geological or archaeological theories have no grounds to do this based on the biblical record. They should rather look to their scientific theories to see where the discrepancies lie." (Link)


Ham cites this earlier in the article:

"Thus, the Flood occurred at 2522 BC and creation at 4178 BC. Dr Hasel rightly assumed that there were no gaps in the genealogies, as will be justified below."

on Feb 02, 2007
Starting with Abraham.....a Hebrew that started it all. He was told by God and looked forward to the promises of God starting in Gen 12[/quote]

The bible is clear that no one enters heaven outside of Christ


[quote]God chose the Hebrew Nation Israel so they would be a light to a dark world. Any that chose to come to this light was saved. It's the same today the light has been given to those who follow Christ


Assuming that this is All true, and i believe that it is. You still CAN NOT stop there and ignore Gen 21.15 "I will make a great nation of him". That is referring to Ishmael.

Yes it Started with Abraham, but according to the bible it didnt end with Jesus. That is, Islam is not "outside" of "Christ". "Jesus" and "Moses" and all other "prophets" are an integral part of Islam.

Can You still say, no Saudi will enter Heaven? not consistent with the bible, is it?

God does not call a nation "Great" and odes not make it belong to "Ishmael" haphazardly, does HE?

If you say HE did, then that also applies to Isaac. You really cant pick and chose it is all what HE said or nothing. no bias.
on Feb 02, 2007
I believe that both evolution and creationism work well hand in hand. My belief, albeit unorthadox, on it is that they're both tools of God. We were created, and we evolved. Simple.

Nothing more simpler and more logical than that. the Creator of Man also Created the rules of eveolution and the physical laws of the universe.

From what religions say about Adam, he lived more than 950 yrs, Abraham, lived about 180. Now people live around 80 year. So God knows what kind of traits they had that we lost and what kind of traits we have that they never had, all due to HIS rules of eveolution.

What is the problem? where is the contradiction?
on Feb 02, 2007
I'd say myself a range of 7000-10,000 years would be my thought


My goodness KFC, Meena, the first Pharaoh of Egypt united the country and started the first Nation/Government on Earth 4500-5000 BC that is 6500-7000 years ago. And you saying that Earth itself was created only 500-2500 years before that?

May be The Ancient Egyptians were Aliens then (some people actually say that  ), since 6500 years ago they were as far from Adam as you can imagine. you cant go from Adam to Minah, development-wise even in 100,000 yrs.
on Feb 02, 2007
Was that directed towards me?


well this part was.......Is this based on anything substantial or is it "just your belief?"

I'm SHOCKED that you would go by some scientific mumbo jumbo, KFC, when you have "THE WORD" right there with all the numbers in it.



hahahah good , a little shock will do ya good...I just imagine you sitting there mouth wide open, hand on forhead.....hahahaha

no I believe the mumbo jumbo as you put it is based on the geneologies of scripture. The Creation Scientists of whom there are many also believe the true facts of science does not contradict the age of the earth just based on the geneologies we read in scripture.

You still CAN NOT stop there and ignore Gen 21.15 "I will make a great nation of him". That is referring to Ishmael.


oh no, I don't ignore any parts of scripture. They are a great nation, just look at what has happened starting with Ishmael. They will have a great part in end times......going against Israel will be their downfall tho. This is also written about Ishmael:

"......Behold you are with child and shall bear a son and shall call his name Ishmael; because the Lord has heard your affliction. And he will be against every man and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren." 16:11-12.

Later we see in Chap 21 this boy grew and becomae an archer living in the wilderness which eneded up being the Sinai peninsula. He became a man of war. Not much has changed by looking at his descendants. The scripture has been fulfilled and again it shows the accuracy of something written in 1450 BC to be very accurate.

Can You still say, no Saudi will enter Heaven? not consistent with the bible, is it?


Still say? I've never said a Saudi wouldn't enter heaven . I have said Muslims are coming to Christ. Because of Abraham, ALL nations of the world would be blessed. That means even the Saudi can enter heaven. But they have to go thru the door to do so.

If you say HE did, then that also applies to Isaac. You really cant pick and chose it is all what HE said or nothing. no bias.


Remember Ishmael was not the "promised" son. Sarah took matters into her own hands by giving Hagar to Abraham. This was not supposed to happen. Laater in 22:16 God calls Isaac Abraham's "only" son. The blessing comes thru Isaac not Ismael and that scripture is very clear on.

What is the problem? where is the contradiction?


the contradiction is according to the Hebrew a day was a 24 hr day. According to Evolution it was a long process with a day meaning thousands of years. Also Evolution has man coming out of the water where it's very clear that man came from the earth in the account of Genesis. Scripture does not support Evolution. You can believe both if you want, I don't. I don't see evolution at all in scripture.

My goodness KFC, Meena, the first Pharaoh of Egypt united the country and started the first Nation/Government on Earth 4500-5000 BC that is 6500-7000 years ago. And you saying that Earth itself was created only 500-2500 years before that?


While I'm not sure who Meena was, yes, it fits. When we read of the Pharaoh in the Exodus it would have been about 1450 BC.

This was written most likely during the reign of Amenhotep II (1450-1425). We also see in 1 KIngs 6:1 that the Exodus occurred 480 years before the fourth year of Solomon's reign placing it ca.1445BC.

So the geneology would support from Adam-Moses was about 1450 years or so.



on Feb 03, 2007
~KFC~

This is just my belief, and what makes the most sense to me.

~L
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