And this is why I so rarely participate in conversations regarding children because some people seem to feel that since I don't have any of my own, my opinion is not valid.

I admit to doing this. However, I do not think this is an instance where it really matters. What do parents draw on when they make the decision of having their first boy circumcised? They have the same experience of a person who does not have children.

A lot of people have the same view as you hold LW. But I don't feel mutilated either. I'm not certain whether I'd be better of uncut, or otherwise, but I'm cut now and it never crossed my mind wishing it was back.

Aesthetically, I suppose I do have a pretty penis so perhaps it wasn't a total loss. I'll spare you all the picture though. Besides, I don't think your screen is big enough to show it completely without scrolling   

And if you believe that one...

Sabrina, do not waste my time with junk internet links that go nowhere. If you have something on your mind then by all means say it. If you still believe that you should stand up for yourself AND the emperor then do so. Pride does some amazing things, does it not? Just I ask you to have a little more class then to send foolish links. Can you do that for me? Your pie is getting cold Sabrina. Where is that emperor, thinking still?

Xythe, to answer your question. When I had to make the decision I did my research, talked to doctors, looked at the options. Every doctor I talked to was in 100% support of the operation. They even encouraged it, thank goodness they did not work under the BMA.

And it is amazing what Photoshop can really do huh?

Sabrina, I must say your research is only half done and half intelligent. I must say though you are very good at pulling half a story out of the air. You have successfully misquoted and misread almost half a dozen sources. You have just opened yourself up just like your timid husband. I do like however, you defending him to the death. Even if you have to defy modern science by misquoting it. Impressive.
I must be truthful to you right now, I am a developmental engineer by trade and I am very busy, but I do promise you I will get back in near future to show you your mistakes. I have yet to read that nonsense, but by reading what I did I can tell you did not check your sources. You must do a better job defending your pride. I though do dread and look forward to reading your trash.
Yes, if it makes you feel so much better about yourself you can use the word whimpering, and no Simon does not have anything better to do with his time. He has written over 80 articles in his time on this site, and the both of you complain about not being able to hold a job. Please expand if I have missed the truth. You two are my humor at the end of the day, even though it does seem "yawn-inspiring" to someone as deep as yourself. I find it fascinating that two individuals can hold on to that last strand of truth, even if it is only a cognitive mirage. I enjoy talking to you, but please do not take these next couple of days as hiding, I am making a break through in infrared technology. I would love to talk about that if you would like as well.
If you want to fix your article, start with the American Academy of Pediatrics. You missed the facts. That is the only part I read, for now. It is not to late to stop your nonsense, eat the pie Sabrina.

eat the pie Sabrina.

This is hilarious. I reckon that line will become my brand new favourite non-sequitor insult.

Insulter: "Nyer, you suck"
Response: "Eat the pie, [insert name here]!"

the Academy concluded that there was no absolute medical indication for routine circumcision.

I think the key word here would be absolute. There may be a medical advantage, but it's not confirmed. Notice they don't say it causes any real harm either.

Who in the hell is wallace stevens? *snort* Sounds like someone who should be very concerned about circumcision. I think for him it would amount to being scalped.

Sounds like someone who should be very concerned about circumcision. I think for him it would amount to being scalped.

Buwhahahahaha. Baker, YOU SO FUNNY!

Cactoblasta, very smart. The key word is absolute, maybe there is not an absolute advantage, but there is an advantage. Something I found on the Academy's page, Sabrina please do better research I am becoming tired with your half efforts:

As noted above, research studies suggest that there may be some medical benefits to circumcision. These include the following:

A lower risk of urinary tract infections (UTIs). A circumcised infant boy has about a 1 in 1,000 chance of developing a UTI in the first year of life; an uncircumcised infant boy has about a 1 in 100 chance of developing a UTI in the first year of life.

A lower risk of getting cancer of the penis. However, this type of cancer is very rare in both circumcised and uncircumcised males.

A slightly lower risk of getting sexually transmitted diseases (STDs), including HIV, the AIDS virus.

Prevention of foreskin infections.

Prevention of phimosis, a condition in uncircumcised males that makes foreskin retraction impossible.

Easier genital hygiene.
Just as there are reasons parents may choose circumcision, they are reasons why parents may choose NOT to have their son circumcised:

Possible risks. As with any surgery, circumcision has some risks. Complications from circumcision are rare and usually minor. They may include bleeding, infection, cutting the foreskin too short or too long, and improper healing.

The belief that the foreskin is necessary to protect the tip of the penis. When removed, the tip of the penis may become irritated and cause the opening of the penis to become too small. Rarely, this can cause urination problems that may need to be surgically corrected.

Some people believe that circumcision makes the tip of the penis less sensitive, causing a decrease in sexual pleasure later in life. This has not been proven by any medical or psychological study.

Sabrina, do you notice how it swings from the scientific for the Pros to circumcision, to "some people believe, the belief...." for the Cons? Please acknowledge that you can see that. Or deny, which you probably will, and then send me on another goose chase.

And for the little boy comment, if you knew anything about me you would not say that, but I will forgive your ignorance.

I stand corrected, you do not complain about holding a job, you complain about getting one. For the official record, I am not so aware about the consulting world, but I do know how it runs in the engineering world. Foresight is the key to holding a continuous job Sabrina, and planning is such a wonderful thing. But, what does the "little boi" know. I get paid by the year, not the hour.

Also, who said anything about hiding? I am not hiding. Please tell me how I can fix this for you. I use the same name every time, it should be fairly clear I am the same person. Also, the reference to KFC, please expand on that for me. I think you are confused, again, let me help you with that.

Bakerstreet, who are you? And you understand names deserve a capital letter, or do you? I guess that deserves the all intelligent *snort* back, does it not? Thanks for coming out.

"And you understand names deserve a capital letter, or do you?"

You can't be THAT slow, can you, Richard?

Oh, dear wallace:

And you understand names deserve a capital letter, or do you? I guess that deserves the all intelligent *snort* back, does it not?

You're pretty much just trolling around here . . . and nobody likes a troll.

Eat the pie, bitch!

(With thanks to cactoblasta for making that new epithet sound so appealing)

Eat the pie

This is brilliant.

Wallace is KFC!?!

Who in the hell is wallace stevens? *snort* Sounds like someone who should be very concerned about circumcision. I think for him it would amount to being scalped.

Holy crap. I think I laughed so hard I puked LOL!

This is a pretty darned good article at the core of it. However, the bantering has turned into something of an amusement for me.

I'll give Mr. Wallace some credit. He's pretty clever.

Irregardless, this article made me think about something I never thought much about, even though I'm a product of the title, and thats what impresses me most.

So to answer a few questions. I am not KFC, sorry. Bakerstreet, wow, I am impressed. I took you for having some intelligence. Who is this Richard, do you mind if I ask? *snort*. I hope by adding that I can sound as intellectual as yourself.

San Chonino, who are you? I am the troll? I have been on this page for the majority. You show up once and label myself as a troll. You must be puerile in nature to show us that vulgarities are your only way to communicate a point. Please tell me what point you had, I must have missed it. More importantly though, let me give you a history lesson on this "pie", since you use it so eloquently. The humble pie was a pie that was made from inferior parts of animals, such as kidneys, intestines, heart, or liver. They were boiled until tender, and mixed with suet, apples, currants, sugar, salt, and spices such as mace, cloves, and nutmeg. This became a meal of the common servant. For a person with pride would never eat food of this nature. Therefore when I tell you to eat your humble pie........Do you understand? Ask me to expand if you do not. Stop being such a child.

And where are the McMullen’s? Moving to a new hole in the ground? Same trash different hole?

Xythe, it is amusing. And out of all the others, you make the only points that make logical sense. Please help Bakerstreet.

Speaking of that mound of intellectual strength.

Bakerstreet, I have something for you. It reminded me "absolutely" of you and your style. Here let me show you pictorially. Remember, you are the child here. www.clint.ca/argue/argue.jpg

I am the troll? I have been on this page for the majority. You show up once and label myself as a troll. You must be puerile in nature to show us that vulgarities are your only way to communicate a point. Please tell me what point you had, I must have missed it.

JAJAJAJAJA! My point was . . . you're combative and rude. It's called just desserts. Are you a registered user of this site? If so, why hide behind the moniker? If not, who exactly are you?

You are the anonymous troll my momma warned be about.

And I'll stop being such a child when you yourself do the same.

www.clint.ca/argue/argue.jpg

I recommend this be edited out. It's in extremely poor taste and find it offensive. I believe my mentally disabled family members would as well. This is also one reason I would vote to not allow anon postings. Sorry, but thats just the way I feel.

I recommend this be edited out. It's in extremely poor taste and find it offensive. I believe my mentally disabled family members would as well. This is also one reason I would vote to not allow anon postings. Sorry, but thats just the way I feel.

Whoah.


I didn't even bother looking at this until you reposted it, Xythe. It's official, wallace stevens - you're not only a troll, you're a twat.

Eat the pie, twonk.