Spiritual Terrorism
Published on July 26, 2006 By KFC Kickin For Christ In Philosophy
Was cleaning out some of the paperwork I've been collecting for months. Going thru and reading some of the stuff I've been putting aside until later. Well later is now. Anyhow read a rather long but interesting letter from a missionary in Kiev. His name is Bob Tolliver. His letter was on Spirtual Terrorism. He compares it to the tactics that terrorists use today. Some of the devices of a terrorist are distraction, diversion, division, secrecy, fear, weariness, surprise, time, intimidation etc. Here's an excerpt that I think the Christians out there may enjoy especially in light of the physical terrorism being displayed today.

Remember that courageous, authoritative perseverance is absolutely essential. The only way you can be taken out in this battle is if you quit. If you are wounded, be healed. If you are intimidated, take courage. If you are knocked down, get up. If you are confused, trust your Captain. Just stay at it. Remember you don't have to give in, give out, or give up. You have an alternative....dogged perseverance coming from a confident heart that tastes the spoils of victory.

Develop a pro-active rather than defensive stance. One of America's great football coaches said, "the best defense is a good offense" and that is clearly true. Rather than waiting for terrorism to come to you, go after the terrorists. This is one thing the world failed to do back in the late 1980's and early 1990's, and we are now paying the price for hesitation. A Christian should never under any circumstance put himself in a defensive mode.....it is inconsistent with and incompatible with the essence of the Great Commission. The "good news" was never a "come to us" message, but rather an "as you go" message. Such is also the case with the unseen terrorism of the spiritual realm.

Utilize preemptive tactics of offense rather than digging in for defense. Somehow we must get over the idea that following Christ can be done defensively. The defense comess from Christ Himself as our absolute source. He defends us; we do not defend either Him or ourselves. Because of that, we can and must take the initiative to engage in preemptive strikes.

Have you considered what this word actually means...preemptive? If I understand it correctly, it is rooted in the word "preeminence". That means, taking the first action from a position of preeminent superiority. That's exactly what we must do, because that's exactly who we are. So make incursions into the land of spiritual warfare. Take time for reconnaissance. Gain understanding of the enemy,, his logic, his resources, and his tactics. And then develop a strategy that instantaneously jerks the rug from under his feet and cuts off all resources at his disposal.

Be sure to spend sufficient time with your commanding officer. He's the One who is your absolute inexhaustible source. He is both your commander and your supplier. He is your authority as well as your strength.

If anything is more important than another, this may be the one thing that is virtually indispensable. If you want to know what your commanding officer thinks and knows, and if you want to learn from His years of wisdom and experience, then you have to take time talking to Him. Without Him you can do nothing. Don't go off with your weapon half cocked or your plan half backed. Be sure that, when you go out, you are fully aware, fully equipped, and fully intent on coming back in complete victory.


There you go....ready for battle? Sword sharp? Use it!! That means taking it out and using it! but we need to be "wise as serpents and harmless as doves" as we go about His business.

See you on the battlefield........


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on Jul 29, 2006
You are making zero sense, KFC. You twist the parable above so as not to interpret it as results-based, and you can't even avoid using the word 'fruitless'. The servants were given what they were given, and judged by what they produced.

That doesn't mean that there is some schedule of merit where some people get nicer houses in heaven or something, but you'll note the one that produced nothing got something worse than nothing. This seems to me to be obviously speaking about people who are so concerned with their own pious "witness" that the results aren't nearly as important as the image one puts forth. They'd rather rail and condemn and seem holy than to actually fellowship with the unwashed and risk their measly talents.

Noah wasn't fruitful, and ended up being another tragically flawed, drunken character among God's chosen. I would assume you couldn't say how Noah was judged for how he spent his life, could you? Since there's yet to be a judgment?

Yet another circumstance where we expect less of God than we do of mortal people. When we send people out to save lives, we hold them accountable for the ones they don't save. Yet, according the principle here, God doesn't seem to mind so long as you make a good show of it. He'd have been fired most places I've worked for that kind of management.
on Jul 29, 2006
You are making zero sense, KFC. You twist the parable above so as not to interpret it as results-based, and you can't even avoid using the word 'fruitless'. The servants were given what they were given, and judged by what they produced.


Is it that I'm making zero sense? Or could it be that you have zero understanding? Am I doing the twisting or could it be you? Have you checked any commentaries...old and new.... against what I've said? Better yet, have you checked other scripture against this parable? Show me where you get your interpretation. You may want to check John 15 here. We will be judged according to our fruits. A good tree gives good fruit and a bad tree gives no fruit or bad fruit. God is the fruit inspector. Usually no fruit means we were not connected to the root.

I can see that you have your root.....and your fruit.....mixed up.

All the characters in scripture were flawed. All of them but Enoch that I'm aware of anyway. Noah was fruitful. He was faithful to what God had him do but yes he was flawed as we all are.

I can't say how Noah was judged, but I believe we will see him in the family of God. The bible speaks of rewards but that is outside of salvation not a reward for. Salvation is a gift of God and I believe Noah received that gift. "Noah found Grace in the eyes of God." Gen 6:8 Grace I'm sure you know is "unmerited favor." But you did mention chosen, and that's right.

When we send people out to save lives, we hold them accountable for the ones they don't save


Baker.......WE DON'T SAVE LIVES. GOD DOES. God is in the salvation business. We are just to spread the seed. He makes it grow. Just like the garden. I put the seeds out and God takes care of the rest. Like I said before....I think from reading you, somewhere along the line you have not picked up an understanding of the "Sovereignty of God."




on Jul 30, 2006
"Baker.......WE DON'T SAVE LIVES. GOD DOES. God is in the salvation business. We are just to spread the seed."


As I say, usually a failed business either blames the employees or the manager. You just blame your boss. Oh, yes, I know, it is really the fault of the "lost", but in the end that's a little convenient, isn't it? Notice how your theology is full of blame, but never for anyone whose task it is to get the job done?

Note, I said your theology. I think the Bible tells a different story. We have a LOT of scriptures that talk about people given responsibility by God, and who do poorly, and who are harshly judged by God because of it. You wouldn't last long working at Wal-Mart with that "Hey, it ain't my job" attitude, and yet a perfect God would tolerate it?

We aren't talking about the "Sovereignty of God", we're talking about pompous Christians who believe it is not only okay to annoy and turn people away from God, it is their duty. We're talking about sad little people who believe they are involved in some great battle to make themselves feel important, but who can't tell you what they are really fighting for, since they don't seem very concerned about souls.

It amazes me how you can't see how your personal philosophy so perfectly matches that of the Pharisees. It's all about your soul. Once you've got that squared away you have no accountability and you can start sitting in the highest seats and condemning who you like. If they don't end up saved, well, it's not your fault, God does the saving; it must be his millennium off.

Nosce te ipsum. Before you go into "battle" it's just important to know who you are as it is to know who your enemy is. I honestly wonder if you know either at this point. This apocalyptic view of the world just seems to create a dramatic scene for you to live in without adding much duty.

"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap to them teachers; and they will turn their ears from hearing the truth."


(Not that any of this means a damn thing to me. The concept of a "bad manager" God, sending pompous employees with no accountability out to do exactly the opposite of what will save souls? Who state with pride that 'strait is the gate' as if they really would RATHER keep their little eternal social club as exclusive as possible?

If I had to settle on that definition of God, I'd feel as if I were worshiping Satan.)
on Jul 30, 2006
As I say, usually a failed business either blames the employees or the manager.


and we're not talking about businesses here Baker, we're talking family. Which would you rather see in your own family......children that are results oriented or children that are obedient to you because they love you?

Notice how your theology is full of blame, but never for anyone whose task it is to get the job done?


who am I blaming? God gives us a job and we are to be obedient and not worry about results. I've already given you Noah. You may want to read about Jonah. He got results and he wasn't happy. You say Noah was unfruitful because after 120 yrs of preaching he had "no fruit" according to your definition. Well then how do you reconcile what God said to Noah AFTER the flood ? "And God blessed Noah and his sons and said be fruitful and multiply the earth." Gen 9:1. God doesn't bless disobedience....but wait......Noah had no results. According to you......he should be severely punished. No Baker, your theology doesn't jive with scripture......not at all.

You just don't understand the concept and think everything should be results based when God is doing a work in each individual's heart. It's not about notches on one's belt but about a heart that is serving God, even when it makes no sense sometimes. It made no sense to Jonah.

We have a LOT of scriptures that talk about people given responsibility by God, and who do poorly, and who are harshly judged by God because of it. You wouldn't last long working at Wal-Mart with that "Hey, it ain't my job" attitude, and yet a perfect God would tolerate it?


well then give them to me. I've backed up pretty much all I've said with scripture.. God does not harshly judge someone anywhere in scripture for not coming up with results. Nowhere. He does deal with them in their disobedience.

We aren't talking about the "Sovereignty of God",


oh yes we are....this is all about the Sovereignty of God....and IMO, I think you have a problem with it.

It amazes me how you can't see how your personal philosophy so perfectly matches that of the Pharisees


and it amazes me to see when I challenge you a bit, you get angry and resort to name calling. I have yet to be as harsh on you as you are to me, yet you call me a Pharisee? You may want to read up on the Pharisees. They were harsh, condemning and angry most of the time.

BTW....good verse you used above. I am not one that likes to tickle ears obviously, and that's the problem here. I refuse to do it. So you go ahead and find someone that will tickle yours, cuz I'm not in that business.

on Jul 30, 2006
"It's not about notches on one's belt but about a heart that is serving God, even when it makes no sense sometimes. It made no sense to Jonah. "


No, it's about people's souls burning in hell for all eternity, according to your own theology. No biggie, though. You get done what you get done, no reason to worry about results...

"well then give them to me. I've backed up pretty much all I've said with scripture.. God does not harshly judge someone anywhere in scripture for not coming up with results. Nowhere. He does deal with them in their disobedience."


So you can just twist them the way you twist the parable of the talents? Why bother? It doesn't say the lord in that parable told them to go out and invest. No doubt the servant thought he was covering his ass by making sure he didn't lose it. Therefore the point isn't obedience, it is the foolishness of covering your own ass when you are entrusted with someone else's wellbeing.

But, again, you'll just say he wasn't obedient with a glassy look in your eyes, and I'll realize that you are going to keep saying that like a robot whether I post 1 or 1,000 scriptures. What's the point?

"oh yes we are....this is all about the Sovereignty of God....and IMO, I think you have a problem with it. "


It makes you feel better to think that. Because you've set yourself up a nasty, bullyish, bronze-age God who treats humans like toys, instead of the Father that Jesus describes, who knows the fall of every sparrow. Of course you'll say I just can't handle his "tough love" or the fact that he's in charge, when in reality I can't handle the fact that you've deified every bad human characteristic we, as imperfect mortals, have had the morality to discard over the last 4,000 years.

"BTW....good verse you used above. I am not one that likes to tickle ears obviously, and that's the problem here. I refuse to do it. So you go ahead and find someone that will tickle yours, cuz I'm not in that business. "


No, but you'll buy yourself whatever concordance interprets verses to mean exactly what you need them to, and embrace any 'teacher' that says what you need them to say to continue your one-sided 'battle' against no one in particular...

I'm getting harsh, so it is time to quit. I'll just add that according to you there's no sweat if you don't sway a single soul, and the big grand war is already decided regardless, so I guess all this spiritual warfare is just a way to kill time until your god comes to take you home. Sorry if I have a hard time dealing with slash-and-burn Christianity.
on Jul 31, 2006
God gives us a job and we are to be obedient and not worry about results.


You...think everything should be results based when God is doing a work in each individual's heart.


What "work in each individual's heart" does God occupy himself with? Aren't humans creatures created with free will, having the freedom to choose God or not? If so, why would he go about changing the hearts of the people he desires unconditional love from? The two don't coincide; when God interferes, the love is no longer unconditional. Christians are charged with spreading his word and bringing believers to Christ. If humans spread the seed, shouldn't they water and feed it too? Why would God? He's not looking to create followers, he's looking for people to find him without his intervention. If a Christian is turning people from God, how can they be serving him? Saying it's just about the work, not the results, seems like a cop-out.

Where does this "spread my word and forget about the rest" mentality come from?
on Jul 31, 2006
Hey Andy,

nice to see you're back with us. What took you so long?


Hi KFC, how are you? I’ve only been away for a bit really, but I missed you guys and wanted to say hello again.

So spiritually I agree, we need to rest in Jesus, but physically......we have lots of work to do.


Yes, I agree with that. I think that finding spiritual resources should come before the physical actions, however, rather than the other way round, otherwise the physical actions and behaviour might lack wisdom and compassion, and might not be coming from the heart.

Regarding bringing people to Christ, which I think is your primary aim, attitudes of “attack”, “pre-emptive strikes” and “enemy” etc. can put a lot of people’s backs up, and could turn more people away.

In my opinion, authentic power and real strength lie in things like forgiveness, goodwill and humility, and the Kingdom of God overflows with such wealth. As St. Paul says, “For the Kingdom is not a matter of words, but of power. Which do you prefer? Shall I come to you with a whip, or in a spirit of love and gentleness?” – 1 Corinthians 4.20.
on Jul 31, 2006
Terrorism of a Different Sort


I think that terrorists' attitude about "attack", "strike", and "getting one up on another" etc. is rooted more in insecurity and weakness, a fear that their foundation can be threatened, or that they can lose position or power. These are the attitudes of the world. The Kingdom of God, however, is infinitely secure, full of eternal wealth, and will last forever, and can’t possibly be threatened. Hence no need for attack, strike, defence or the like. Just inner peace, joy and truth - attributes of Heaven, which can be experienced "on earth as it is in Heaven"
on Jul 31, 2006
Aren't humans creatures created with free will, having the freedom to choose God or not?


I don't see this in scripture....although I will agree it's a debate among Christians. If you do a study on Romans you will see quite clearly God is the one doing the choosing, not us. In fact, our Pastor is preaching Romans right now and he ran into a few who have never really thought about it and at least one person who got very angry with the election (not freewill) principle. When asked how he would teach on this scripture the man in question said, "I wouldn't. I would skip over it." That's not acceptable.

Where does this "spread my word and forget about the rest" mentality come from?


I never said, forget about the rest. I said we are not to be concerned about results. Sure we need to preach Christ and pray for salvation for others but we need to realize and stop beating ourselves up when somebody doesn't "get it." That's a bit different than you're thinking. We are to disciple and help shepherd those who are searching for God. We are to be helpers in all sorts of ways but we have no control on who gets "saved" or not. God uses us to reach others...yes. But it's the HS's job to indwell believers, not us. In the meantime we don't know who God is trying to reach and who he is not, so we preach and teach all we feel the HS is leading us to.

I love to teach. I believe it's a gift God has given me. I have a group that I started with over 5 years ago. I meet every week with them. When I first started, none of them were regularly attending church, some not at all. Today, all but one are attending. I believe it's the power of God's word that has brought them to church, but God used me to reach them. He opened the door for me to even be there. It wasn't me but the HS urging in their hearts and minds.

If a Christian is turning people from God, how can they be serving him?


I don't believe a Christian would want to do this. Most people turn away because they don't want to hear what the Christian has to say. Many want their ears tickled. They want to hear what they want to hear and it it contradicts or gets in their way, they shut it off. Felix is a good example in the book of Acts. He was so convicted, he trembled yet he said to Paul, "go away and if the time is right, I'll send for you." He came to the threshold but never crossed over. Acts 24.

The only way a Christian is going to reach a person with the gospel is if the heart of that person is prepared by God first. God is the heart surgeon, not the Christian. Noah is a good example. He preached for 120 years but they all turned away from his preaching. Same with Jeremiah. How about Isaiah? God told him to preach even tho none would listen to him. Why did God instruct him to do so then? Why no results? Why bother?

Christ said it would be like the days of Noah, when he came back. Many again will not listen to those preaching Christ. It doesn't matter if one is preaching the love of Christ or the judgement of Christ.

think that terrorists' attitude about "attack", "strike", and "getting one up on another" etc. is rooted more in insecurity and weakness, a fear that their foundation can be threatened, or that they can lose position or power


Satan's goal is to steal loyalties from God to Him. Didn't He do that right in the beginning with Eve? The battle now is our will against God's will. God is doing a work in us to be more like Him, to be in the line of His will, not fight against it. I heard a great sermon today on Satanic qualities. These are characteristics that Satan has and uses in battle.

1. Conceit-Satan gets them to focus not on God but themselves-
2. Discontentment.....lure us out of God's will
3. Self Deception- this is seen in conceit and discontentment. Grass is always greener on the other side.
4. Jealousy-over God's authority. Satan wanted what God had. He wanted his own angels, his own people and his own kingdom. He's working towards that but again, he is self deceived. To do so means to try and eliminate the other person who has it. The hatred is real. Cain is a good example here....and can't you see this also with the land of Israel right now?
5.Willfulness-I want what I want when I want it. Get out of my way. Children come fully programmed at birth with this. We are to break or tame the strong will of our children but not the spirit. Contrast our will to what God wants.
6. Arrogance-Satan thought he could usurp God Himself and has been trying ever since...Isaiah 14 comes to mind.
7. Rebellion-this is the heart to it all. Our sin nature is to rebell against God. Satan is behind this from the get go. In scripture it says rebellion is like witchcraft.


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on Aug 01, 2006
Satan's goal is to steal loyalties from God to Him. Didn't He do that right in the beginning with Eve? The battle now is our will against God's will. God is doing a work in us to be more like Him, to be in the line of His will, not fight against it


I don't think Christians should adopt the same attitudes as the terrorists - or in this case the Dark Side, though. Preemptive attacks and strikes etc. are more terrorist attitudes, or at least attitudes held by people who believe they have something that can be threatened or taken away. Hence driven by insecurity and fear. Should this apply to Christians? Surely not. Also, God has the final say in who becomes Christian anyway. I believe that we can afford to relax, surrender it over to God, and trust that everything is in good hands.

If we feel impelled to preach the gospel, or spread a message, then all is well, especially if it’s our passion. But I think that it will serve us, and other people, if the message can be spread in a spirit of humility, goodwill, understanding and love, as opposed to the aggressive ‘attack’ mode adopted by some.
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