Spiritual Terrorism
Published on July 26, 2006 By KFC Kickin For Christ In Philosophy
Was cleaning out some of the paperwork I've been collecting for months. Going thru and reading some of the stuff I've been putting aside until later. Well later is now. Anyhow read a rather long but interesting letter from a missionary in Kiev. His name is Bob Tolliver. His letter was on Spirtual Terrorism. He compares it to the tactics that terrorists use today. Some of the devices of a terrorist are distraction, diversion, division, secrecy, fear, weariness, surprise, time, intimidation etc. Here's an excerpt that I think the Christians out there may enjoy especially in light of the physical terrorism being displayed today.

Remember that courageous, authoritative perseverance is absolutely essential. The only way you can be taken out in this battle is if you quit. If you are wounded, be healed. If you are intimidated, take courage. If you are knocked down, get up. If you are confused, trust your Captain. Just stay at it. Remember you don't have to give in, give out, or give up. You have an alternative....dogged perseverance coming from a confident heart that tastes the spoils of victory.

Develop a pro-active rather than defensive stance. One of America's great football coaches said, "the best defense is a good offense" and that is clearly true. Rather than waiting for terrorism to come to you, go after the terrorists. This is one thing the world failed to do back in the late 1980's and early 1990's, and we are now paying the price for hesitation. A Christian should never under any circumstance put himself in a defensive mode.....it is inconsistent with and incompatible with the essence of the Great Commission. The "good news" was never a "come to us" message, but rather an "as you go" message. Such is also the case with the unseen terrorism of the spiritual realm.

Utilize preemptive tactics of offense rather than digging in for defense. Somehow we must get over the idea that following Christ can be done defensively. The defense comess from Christ Himself as our absolute source. He defends us; we do not defend either Him or ourselves. Because of that, we can and must take the initiative to engage in preemptive strikes.

Have you considered what this word actually means...preemptive? If I understand it correctly, it is rooted in the word "preeminence". That means, taking the first action from a position of preeminent superiority. That's exactly what we must do, because that's exactly who we are. So make incursions into the land of spiritual warfare. Take time for reconnaissance. Gain understanding of the enemy,, his logic, his resources, and his tactics. And then develop a strategy that instantaneously jerks the rug from under his feet and cuts off all resources at his disposal.

Be sure to spend sufficient time with your commanding officer. He's the One who is your absolute inexhaustible source. He is both your commander and your supplier. He is your authority as well as your strength.

If anything is more important than another, this may be the one thing that is virtually indispensable. If you want to know what your commanding officer thinks and knows, and if you want to learn from His years of wisdom and experience, then you have to take time talking to Him. Without Him you can do nothing. Don't go off with your weapon half cocked or your plan half backed. Be sure that, when you go out, you are fully aware, fully equipped, and fully intent on coming back in complete victory.


There you go....ready for battle? Sword sharp? Use it!! That means taking it out and using it! but we need to be "wise as serpents and harmless as doves" as we go about His business.

See you on the battlefield........


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on Jul 27, 2006
I think the problem with this and many such stances is the confusion between 'the enemy' and the people you are supposed to love and care about. Sure, that's a word used for Satan, but we can't really reconnoiter Satan. Instead we dissect and pull apart the lives of the people we are supposed to be working to save.

I'm not being facetious, I promise, but I really don't see that anything was said in what you quoted. Maybe there are a lot of things being alluded to that I'm not picking up on. This seems like sunday morning TV, where the preacher talks for a half hour and at the end I can't really pin down one tangible thing that you could gain from it.

I wish you'd quoted the parts where he explains what spiritual terrorism actually is. I would have liked to seen what it means to be a spiritual terrorist.
on Jul 27, 2006
wish you'd quoted the parts where he explains what spiritual terrorism actually is. I would have liked to seen what it means to be a spiritual terrorist.


well I'll pull it back out and get back to you. It was very long and I probably didn't do him justice by only giving a portion.

Well, we certainly know you don't mind offending people, as long as it's done in the name of Christ...and even if it only serves to drive others away from Christ.


I guess LW it depends on how you take it. I take it that he's saying, it's ok to take the offensive, not be cowering in a defensive mode. We can have confidence in what we have. We have the tools/weapons we need and it's ok to go out there. There are way too many churches content to stay in their little white buildings and not go out into the community and do battle. The battle is not against the people, but against the darker forces. You are looking at the physical angle when this article is talking spiritual.

Doesn't matter what I say anyway LW. You always choose to take whatever I say to a contrary position.



on Jul 27, 2006
Romans 12: 3-21

3 For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the measure of faith God has given you.

4 Just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function,

5 so in Christ we who are many form one body, and each member belongs to all the others.

6 We have different gifts, according to the grace given us. If a man's gift is prophesying, let him use it in proportion to his faith.

7 If it is serving, let him serve; if it is teaching, let him teach;

8 if it is encouraging, let him encourage; if it is contributing to the needs of others, let him give generously; if it is leadership, let him govern diligently; if it is showing mercy, let him do it cheerfully.

9 Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.

10 Be devoted to one another in brotherly love. Honor one another above yourselves.

11 Never be lacking in zeal, but keep your spiritual fervor, serving the Lord.

12 Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer.

13 Share with God's people who are in need. Practice hospitality.

14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse.

15 Rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn with those who mourn.

16 Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited.

17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody.

18 If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone.

19 Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay,"says the Lord.

20 On the contrary:
"If your enemy is hungry, feed him;
if he is thirsty, give him something to drink.
In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head."

21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

(italics added by me)
on Jul 27, 2006
Hey TW......thanks but why don't you just come out and say what you feel. Don't hold back or anything.

This is one of my favorite chapters. This is where the spiritual gifts are all mentioned. Which one are you? I did notice something here besides the fact that you didn't highlight this one. . Look at v8. The word is usually exhort not encourage but I'm guessing you're using NIV which is basically using the more positive approach. Check here as well.....

Link

Exhortation is the gift which enables a believer to effectively call others to obey and follow God’s truth. It may be used negatively to admonish and correct regarding sin (2 Tim. 4:2), or positively, to encourage, comfort, and strengthen struggling believers ( 2 Cor. 1:3–5; Heb. 10:24, 25) (a note from my bible)

2 Tim 4:2 says this:

Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

So you see I'm only trying to be obedient to what God has me to do. I'm not out to please man or woman. It's not on a whim I do what I do. It's not always popular I understand that. There can be a negative reaction to this. But you know what? From my experience the negative reaction is not coming from the Christians but the unbelievers. There are many people out there that are hungry for God's word. I'll never know unless I talk to them. Geeesh you could have pointed out v11 also. But I guess it depends on which way you're looking at things.

I try to never quote or give scripture to any that have a distain for it. So I guess you're ok then?





on Jul 28, 2006
So you think as a boss God isn't results-minded? If, as a Christian, you offend and turn away more people than you woo, he puts that off on them, and not you? I'm trying to figure out why a perfect God would be such a terrible manager. You're describing a petty bureaucrat, more interested in procedure than actual results.

Imagine if our hospitals were more concerned with procedure than saving lives, and functioned with a 'narrow is the way' policy in terms of death count. What Christians take pride in, we'd JAIL people for in everyday life. Funny how we expect more of human pencil pushers than we do of God.
on Jul 28, 2006
The "good news" was never a "come to us" message, but rather an "as you go" message. Such is also the case with the unseen terrorism of the spiritual realm.

Utilize preemptive tactics of offense rather than digging in for defense. Somehow we must get over the idea that following Christ can be done defensively. The defense comess from Christ Himself as our absolute source. He defends us; we do not defend either Him or ourselves. Because of that, we can and must take the initiative to engage in preemptive strikes.


I still think that the greatest power, and the most effective “preemptive strike”, is to love. “Love your enemies, do good to those who ill treat you” etc. It takes a lot of inner muscle to show forgiveness and compassion to people who ill-treat us, or to people who murder and rape. Yet it’s within the human condition to love in such ways. It’s a question spiritual wealth and inner muscle, which is accumulated as we advance on our spiritual quest. Other people can't take away our inner peace, as long as we know the Truth. (i.e. that we're eternal spiritual beings, infinitely secure, loved always by our Father in Heaven).

You have an alternative....dogged perseverance coming from a confident heart that tastes the spoils of victory.


I agree, and I believe that we can surrender that the battle is already won.
on Jul 28, 2006
"It takes a lot of inner muscle to show forgiveness and compassion to people who ill-treat us, or to people who murder and rape."


I don't believe the murderers and rapists enter into it. People make a big deal about Jesus's compassion, but He also said that He didn't come to take anything away from the law. It wasn't necessary for Him to make it clear that we should turn the other cheek to murderers, because murderers would have been done away with according to the law then.

I think that is a big blind spot we have now. We take Jesus's statements and layer them over top of our modern sensibilities. In reality that is taking them totally out of context.

"You have an alternative....dogged perseverance coming from a confident heart that tastes the spoils of victory."


What victory? What fight? These metaphors don't ring true. God can't lose. According to most theology anything that can happen is already decided. The "work" to be done isn't a "fight", it is persuading people towards God. This antagonistic silliness doesn't make any sense. The only people you are being antagonistic to are the ones you are tasked with persuading.
on Jul 29, 2006
What victory? What fight? These metaphors don't ring true. God can't lose


I agree. I think this is why Christians can afford to relax a bit more, and can cultivate a bit more inner peace. To me, walking the Christian path isn’t so much about attacking or judging, but rather about relaxing, trusting God, and handing our problems over to Him. We can “become as a little child”, resting in the arms of Jesus, whilst taking things a step at a time.

Incidentally, I just read the following in an article, which I thought was on the ball:

"God, in a sense, does not care about the outcome. Not the ultimate outcome. This is because the ultimate outcome is assured. It is this doubt about ultimate outcome that has created man's greatest enemy, which is fear. For if we doubt outcome, then we must doubt Creator, we must doubt God. And if we doubt God, we must live in fear and guilt all our life. If we doubt God's intentions - and God's ability to produce this ultimate result, then how can we ever relax? How can we ever truly find peace?”
on Jul 29, 2006
Hey Andy,

nice to see you're back with us. What took you so long?

To me, walking the Christian path isn’t so much about attacking or judging, but rather about relaxing, trusting God, and handing our problems over to Him. We can “become as a little child”, resting in the arms of Jesus, whilst taking things a step at a time.


exactly, I agree we should not have guilt and fear and Jesus is our rest. No problem with that. But we are also to be watchful and diligent...on guard and ready to give an answer for the hope that lies within us.

I heard a speech one time by a former druggie. His name is Dwayne Blue. I still have the tape. He was really a bad dude by his own admission. He said he basically killed his own mother (she took her own life) and could have cared less. He didn't even go to her funeral. All that mattered to him was drugs, motorcycles and his dogs. He lived in a bus and he was a scary man.

Long story short, Christ changed his life. He still has an edge about him, but he's now preaching Jesus to people I would most likely be scared to death to talk to. He came right out and chastised a room full of preachers saying they were doing nothing but staying in their little white churches and not going out into the community to speak to people like his mother. She lived within blocks of 4-5 churches and not one preacher talked to her that he knew of. As far as he believes, his mother was in Hell. She had a bible that was never opened and never went to one of those churches. He said, if you don't go out there to people like him and his mother, the drug dealers will. They have no problem finding the people, why do the preachers?

So spiritually I agree, we need to rest in Jesus, but physically......we have lots of work to do. There are many people out there that have never even heard the gospel and sad to say I've met many who have no idea why we even celebrate Christmas.

So you think as a boss God isn't results-minded?


I'm not quite following this entry Baker. But if God was results-minded as you believe then why did Noah preach for 120 years but only his family got on the boat? Why did Jeremiah preach for 40 years or whatever and not see one convert? I've said this before....I don't worry about results. That's God's business. God is not in the numbers business but the heart business. Wasn't it you who quoted David counting his army and God displeased at that? I just worry about being obedient. I'm not really into the numbers games or these pastors that are too concerned with how many notches on their belt they've got by how many people they have brought into the church. I've seen alot of those types fall very hard. It's not about us at all. It's about God. We should not be pointing to ourselves and saying.....see how many I brought to the church? No it's God who does the converting not me or you.



on Jul 29, 2006
I don't believe the murderers and rapists enter into it. People make a big deal about Jesus's compassion, but He also said that He didn't come to take anything away from the law. It wasn't necessary for Him to make it clear that we should turn the other cheek to murderers, because murderers would have been done away with according to the law then.


Well, I agree for the most part. We should forgive the murderers and rapists but that doens't mean we don't hold them accountable for their actions. The forgiveness is more for us than for them. Actually when we forgive them it's harder for them to deal with than when we don't. It's sort of like what TW quoted above (v20) with the burning coals on the head. I've actually done this and have seen great results because I was obedient in doing the forgiving even tho it was extremely hard to do so.

The turn the other cheek is so misused. Christ wasn't talking corporately but individually. He wasn't referring to the courts but to the individuals. I shake my head when I hear the President Bush as a Christian should turn the other cheek to the terrorists. That is not at all what Jesus was talking about.

on Jul 29, 2006
Then what is this war or battle you are talking about? You just assume people know what this is about, and no one seems to. So, since you say the war isn't for souls, since the results don't matter, and since the war against satan is already a done deal according to revelations, I'd love to know what in the heck all this girding up of the loins is about.

I think your lack of care about results is just a cop-out, frankly; an indifference that goes against the definition of "Christian" you've been tossing around. You are supposed to care how many people get into heaven but God isnt'? If neither of you are supposed to care, what are you fighting about?

All this army of God stuff makes for pretty speeches, but I don't understand who or what you think you are fighting.
on Jul 29, 2006
Baker, I tried to get the link for you, but I can't seem to open it. You can try. It's called Shoulder to Shoulder #334 "Unseen Terrorism" by Bob Tolliver

another excerpt which may answer your question as to why this is happening if the war against Satan is a done deal.

"So, what, then is the point?The fascinating thing is that, for the most part, terrorists have no real expectation of actually winning the war they wage....at least not by their own tactics and strengths, and probably not in their lifetimes. That's not the objetive of terrorism. If you ask any terrorists leader, he'll tell you that they do not expect to win outright on a field of conventional military battle.If you examine the situation, you will se that virtually every center of terrorist activity is situated in countries where there are superior manpower and weaponry to any terrorist group in the world. It, therefore, seems appropriate to assume that,while their long term goals may be to win, their immediate objectives are not. Things are much simpler for them.If terrorism does not have winning as its immediate objective, then what might its objectives be? Let me suggest these possibilities:"

He then goes on to explain each after he lists them. This is what he lists:

Distraction
Diversion
Deterrence
Weariness
Fear
Division

and the tools used

time
surprise
secrecy
intimidation
patient endurance

the outcome is

damage
death
discouragement
compromise
abandonment

and then goes on to tell how we must deal with terrorism

on Jul 29, 2006
Yeah, but what really is the end result of this battle if it isn't the 'results', i.e. how many people end up where they should? It's like a used car lot where they tell the salesmen to annoy the customer because it isn't really important how many cars they sell. Since when do we fault the consumer for bad salesmen?

The only tangible damage the other side can do in this 'battle' you're talking about is preventing people from going to heaven, right? So you are supposed to fight, but then it doesn't really matter if anyone is swayed? It sounds like you are saying it doesn't matter how productive your preaching is, only how loud.

Empty rhetoric, if you ask me. You're to fight, and to win, but no one knows what they are really fighting for. I think God is most certainly results-minded, only his servants are generally more concerned with their own holiness than results.

"[14] For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.
[15] And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.
[16] Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents.
[17] And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two.
[18] But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money.
[19] After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.
[20] And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.
[21] His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
[22] He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.
[23] His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
[24] Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:
[25] And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.
[26] His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
[27] Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.
[28] Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.
[29] For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
[30] And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
on Jul 29, 2006
ok, let's look at this. The man who goes on the journey is Christ. The servants are believers given diff levels of responsibility. I believe here this parable is saying that all who are faithful to Christ will be fruitful to some degree. We also see the tragedy of wasted opportunity here. The fruitless person is unmasked and ultimately shown to be unfaithful.

this isn't about results so much as it's about obedience and faithfulness. To show you....look at v 21 & 23.

Both the man with 5 talents and the man with 2 received exactly the same reward, indicating that the reward is based on faithfulness, not results.


on Jul 29, 2006
it doesn't matter how productive your preaching is, only how loud.


oh, and this?

not loud but how faithful one is. Again, how productive was Noah?

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