Surprised?
Published on January 6, 2011 By KFC Kickin For Christ In Current Events

I remember debating this subject some time back and getting into quite a heated debate about it with a running club member.  One of the members of my club posted a public comment on our forum urging parents NOT to vaccinate their children.  Of course I had to step in and give my two cents worth at the time.  Now with this latest news I do feel vindicated.  Of course, now I've moved and am not a member of that club anymore. 

Some people were insisting back then that vaccines could cause autism when, in fact, it wasn't that clear cut.  Their "research" was very sketchy.  Some of the people behind the debate, pushing the contention, were not even legitimate physicans or medical researchers.  I remember one of the most vocal guys behind this, his name escapes me now, even had his medical license suspended for an unrelated reason. 

 Just goes to show that the truth will eventually come out even if it takes a while to do so.   Here's the latest: 

The first study to link a childhood vaccine to autism was based on doctored information about the children involved, according to a new report on the widely discredited research.

The conclusions of the 1998 paper by Andrew Wakefield and colleagues was renounced by 10 of its 13 authors and later retracted by the medical journal Lancet, where it was published. Still, the suggestion the MMR shot was connected to autism spooked parents worldwide and immunization rates for measles, mumps and rubella have never fully recovered.

A new examination found, by comparing the reported diagnoses in the paper to hospital records, that Wakefield and colleagues altered facts about patients in their study.

The analysis, by British journalist Brian Deer, found that despite the claim in Wakefield's paper that the 12 children studied were normal until they had the MMR shot, five had previously documented developmental problems. Deer also found that all the cases were somehow misrepresented when he compared data from medical records and the children's parents.

Wakefield could not be reached for comment despite repeated calls and requests to the publisher of his recent book, which claims there is a connection between vaccines and autism that has been ignored by the medical establishment. Wakefield now lives in the U.S. where he enjoys a vocal following including celebrity supporters like Jenny McCarthy.

Deer's article was paid for by the Sunday Times of London and Britain's Channel 4 television network. It was published online Thursday in the medical journal, BMJ.

In an accompanying editorial, BMJ editor Fiona Godlee and colleagues called Wakefield's study "an elaborate fraud." They said Wakefield's work in other journals should be examined to see if it should be retracted.

Last May, Wakefield was stripped of his right to practice medicine in Britain. Many other published studies have shown no connection between the MMR vaccination and autism.

But measles has surged since Wakefield's paper was published and there are sporadic outbreaks in Europe and the U.S. In 2008, measles was deemed endemic in England and Wales.

 


Comments (Page 2)
on Jan 22, 2011

BASMAS

Well seeing as half a MILLION children were followed in Denmark and the those that didn't have the vaccine actually had the same rate (in fact those had had the vaccine was very slightly less although not statically significant) than those who didn't I recon the evidence is in.

A recent study by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has confirmed 1988 as a “change point” in the rise of Autism Disorder rates in the U.S. - a date that pro-life leaders say correlates with the introduction of fetal cells for use in vaccines.

When examining the points at which autism diagnosis mysteriously spiked in the U.S., said Deisher, “the only thing that is associated with these change points is the introduction of a fetal cell vaccine.” She said the correlation even holds true for the U.S., Canada, Great Britain, Wales, Denmark, Japan, and southeastern Asian countries: “in every country we have looked at, they have different change points, every one is associated with an aborted fetal event.” No other variable, she said, has correlated so closely to the pattern of autism diagnosis.

Denmark was specifically named as one of the countries that the autism diagnosis spiked at the introduction of the fetal cell use for vaccines.

on Jan 22, 2011

The rate of autism is the same between kids that recieved the vaccine and those that didn't.  The same.  The same. 

If the vaccine increased the rate of autism how is the rate the same between the kids that got it and those that didn't?  Please answer me that.

 

If the rates in Denmark have spiked they have spiked in the same way for un-vaccinated kids as for vaccinated kids, given that the rates of austism are the same between them.  Well at least for the 537303 kids that were studied. 

Again I ask you as the rates are the same how does the vaccine increase the rates of austism in those kids that haven't had it?

Perhaps, just perhaps there is another explanation.  

 

Just because one person says something in an article that you agree with doesn't make it true.  537303 kids being studied is the best evidence that simply could be produced.

on Jan 22, 2011

The articles (and SCPI) have a lot more to do with 'fetal cells' than anything else.  Again, you can have a moral argument against their use, but there is no 'science' to that, nor is it needed.  Sounds to me like SCPI is seeking other arguments to either bolster or substitute for the one based on moral principles, trying to find a way to convince secular scientists that fetal cell use is unsafe.  As a conclusion-based entity, they already have their conclusion and they're selectively looking for evidence to support it (and not finding it here).

on Jan 22, 2011

As a conclusion-based entity, they already have their conclusion and they're selectively looking for evidence to support it (and not finding it here).

Who besides you says the SCPI is a conclusion based entity?

Not finding it here??

When examining the points at which autism diagnosis mysteriously spiked in the U.S., said Deisher, “the only thing that is associated with these change points is the introduction of a fetal cell vaccine.” She said the correlation even holds true for the U.S., Canada, Great Britain, Wales, Denmark, Japan, and southeastern Asian countries: “in every country we have looked at, they have different change points, every one is associated with an aborted fetal event.” No other variable, she said, has correlated so closely to the pattern of autism diagnosis.

Read it again...you may not like the obvious correlation but nevertheless it exists.

 

 

on Jan 22, 2011

Oh, I read it quite well the first time, thank you.

It's not a matter of liking or disliking.  It assumes the 'pattern of autism diagnosis' is some known variable, that it should be X.  It's not science to say A happened around the same time as B happened and 'nothing else I can see' happened around that time, so B and A must have something to do with each other.  It also says nothing about all the cases of autism diagnosed before the introduction of fetal cell vaccine.  The Denmark data, from an actual scientific study, do not support the speculative 'correlation'.

on Jan 22, 2011

A happened around the same time as B happened and 'nothing else I can see' happened around that time, so B and A must have something to do with each other.

Like I said you may not like the obvious correlation but nevertheless it exists. That's the bottom line and thankfully to types like me, Dr. Deisher is not letting us forget or ignore it.

 

on Jan 22, 2011

I'm happy for you, too.  Just don't call temporal correlation 'science'.

on Jan 23, 2011

Lula...

I sent this to my son.  Since he's the expert when it comes to Neuroscience and I know he knows alot about this particular subject since he deals exclusively with the brain 24/7 these days, I sent him your original news article.  This is what he said:

"I think this is non-sense, but nothing will stop those people who want to believe in the vaccine-autism link. Whoever wrote this obviously doesn't understand anything about brain development or how the brain works."

 

on Jan 24, 2011

I repeat,

If the vaccine increased the rate of autism how is the rate the same between the kids that got it and those that didn't?

 

 

 

on Jan 24, 2011

I sent this to my son. Since he's the expert when it comes to Neuroscience and I know he knows alot about this particular subject since he deals exclusively with the brain 24/7 these days, I sent him your original news article. This is what he said:

"I think this is non-sense, but nothing will stop those people who want to believe in the vaccine-autism link. Whoever wrote this obviously doesn't understand anything about brain development or how the brain works."

And the Vaccine-Autism debate goes on.

I'm glad you showed the article to your son.     I find nothing about Dr. Deisher's work as non-sense. It isn't non-sense that the National Vaccine Information Center and the Autism Research Institute represent many families nationwide who know their children developed normally until after they were given vacccination shots.  As far as the vaccine link into the autism epidemic, what's non-sense to your son is not non-sense to parents who want to know the truth.

 

on Jan 24, 2011

If the vaccine increased the rate of autism how is the rate the same between the kids that got it and those that didn't?

I don't know.  I'm just taking what Dr. Deisher said at face value....everyone of the change points at which autism spiked is associated with an aborted fetal event.  

 

on Jan 24, 2011

lula -

I recommend you research Venn diagrams.

on Jan 24, 2011

I recommend you research Venn diagrams.

Ha, math is not my strongpoint and statistics was never my bag.

Listen, your points are well made and well taken. It's just that we see this from opposite pov.

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One of the members of my club posted a public comment on our forum urging parents NOT to vaccinate their children.

 KFC,

And maybe she/he had good reason.

Are you OK with vaccines developed from the fetal tissue of aborted babies?

Are you OK with the government mass vaccination policy that treats all individuals like a herd of sheep with their one size fits all philosophy of the US Public Health Service?

Don't you understand that for some children a vaccine may be more dangerous than catching the disease?

How many parents are told beforehand of the vaccine's pros and cons before blindly letting their children be injected with these?

 

 

on Jan 24, 2011

Don't you understand that for some children a vaccine may be more dangerous than catching the disease?

Then I challenge you to identify them in advance.

Everything in life is a matter of odds and risk.  Anything and everything we do involves making judgements about relative risks.  The facts/data are clear - a child is at greater risk without immunization than with immunization.  Hands down, no contest.

on Jan 25, 2011

Amen Daiwa.  I concur.  And that is now manifesting itself via the surge of diseases that are making a very strong comeback as a result of parents NOT immunizing their children. 

 

 

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