Surprised?
Published on January 6, 2011 By KFC Kickin For Christ In Current Events

I remember debating this subject some time back and getting into quite a heated debate about it with a running club member.  One of the members of my club posted a public comment on our forum urging parents NOT to vaccinate their children.  Of course I had to step in and give my two cents worth at the time.  Now with this latest news I do feel vindicated.  Of course, now I've moved and am not a member of that club anymore. 

Some people were insisting back then that vaccines could cause autism when, in fact, it wasn't that clear cut.  Their "research" was very sketchy.  Some of the people behind the debate, pushing the contention, were not even legitimate physicans or medical researchers.  I remember one of the most vocal guys behind this, his name escapes me now, even had his medical license suspended for an unrelated reason. 

 Just goes to show that the truth will eventually come out even if it takes a while to do so.   Here's the latest: 

The first study to link a childhood vaccine to autism was based on doctored information about the children involved, according to a new report on the widely discredited research.

The conclusions of the 1998 paper by Andrew Wakefield and colleagues was renounced by 10 of its 13 authors and later retracted by the medical journal Lancet, where it was published. Still, the suggestion the MMR shot was connected to autism spooked parents worldwide and immunization rates for measles, mumps and rubella have never fully recovered.

A new examination found, by comparing the reported diagnoses in the paper to hospital records, that Wakefield and colleagues altered facts about patients in their study.

The analysis, by British journalist Brian Deer, found that despite the claim in Wakefield's paper that the 12 children studied were normal until they had the MMR shot, five had previously documented developmental problems. Deer also found that all the cases were somehow misrepresented when he compared data from medical records and the children's parents.

Wakefield could not be reached for comment despite repeated calls and requests to the publisher of his recent book, which claims there is a connection between vaccines and autism that has been ignored by the medical establishment. Wakefield now lives in the U.S. where he enjoys a vocal following including celebrity supporters like Jenny McCarthy.

Deer's article was paid for by the Sunday Times of London and Britain's Channel 4 television network. It was published online Thursday in the medical journal, BMJ.

In an accompanying editorial, BMJ editor Fiona Godlee and colleagues called Wakefield's study "an elaborate fraud." They said Wakefield's work in other journals should be examined to see if it should be retracted.

Last May, Wakefield was stripped of his right to practice medicine in Britain. Many other published studies have shown no connection between the MMR vaccination and autism.

But measles has surged since Wakefield's paper was published and there are sporadic outbreaks in Europe and the U.S. In 2008, measles was deemed endemic in England and Wales.

 


Comments (Page 1)
on Jan 06, 2011

and as always it's the children who suffer.  It's not the parents getting measles because they were vaccinated.  It's the kids. 

on Jan 06, 2011

Given how lots of 'mainstream' media played the alleged vaccine/autism link for all it was worth, investing heavily in it's 'innocent victim' of 'evil big pharma' angle (also see 'The Constant Gardener'), it's not surprising to me that it's taken nearly a year for the mainstreamers to finally give the fraud the coverage it deserves.  We've known for a long time the 'link' was tenuous at best and most likely (& now known to be) non-existent.

The harm done by this creep (Wakefield) is difficult to get your mind and arms around.  Unfortunately, he's not the only one out there peddling garbage.

 

on Jan 07, 2011

The MSM is quick to accuse and slow to acquit.  But that is not new.  While there is fraud and waste always, the one constant appears to be the incompetence of the MSM to do their job.

on Jan 07, 2011

Unfortunately, he's not the only one out there peddling garbage.

plenty to go around.  People are so quick to believe a lie and so slow when it comes to the truth.  Wonder why that is. 

While there is fraud and waste always, the one constant appears to be the incompetence of the MSM to do their job.

Mainstream Media=MSM=Much Stuff Madeup?    

 

on Jan 08, 2011

So much for the pseudoscience spouting ignorami. They'll believe anything that fits their wacky agenda.

Yes, the children suffer, but so do the innoculated (but didn't 'take'), the immune compromised such as Cancer patients, Diabetics, AIDS patients, Kidney Failure patients, etc.

The cost of this fraud was/is/will be enormous in human and financial terms.

Oh yes, the title should be "Vaccines Cause Autism Research A Fraud" or "Lie".

on Jan 19, 2011

If I am correct, here in the US, all of the vaccines for Chicken Pox and the standard MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) protocols are developed from aborted children, (fetal DNA) and this is an issue that needs further exploration and discussion,

I'd like to bring this article from 2009 to your attention. 

Is Aborted Fetal DNA in Vaccines Linked to Autism?

by LifeSiteNews.com

By Theresa A. Deisher, Ph.D.

July 21, 2009 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Just when the pharmaceutical industry thought the vaccine-autism controversy had been resolved, the National Vaccine Advisory Committee has recommended further study of vaccine safety. A perceived fear of the safety of the U.S. vaccination schedule has led increasing numbers of parents to opt out of full compliance. The numbers of children who are not fully vaccinated has now reached a point where "herd" immunity may be compromised, compelling the Centers for Disease Control to hold town-hall meetings and convene a Vaccine Safety Working Subgroup. Despite research ruling out mercury (Thimerosal) or the measles portion of one specific vaccine, autism continues to rise to a level of one in every 64 children in the UK.

The NVAC draft report recommends further study of the potential for vaccines to contribute to autism in children who have underlying mitochondrial disease, a worthwhile study given the clinical history of such children developing autism after vaccinations (see Poling case). What the NVAC has overlooked, however, in their recommendations, is that epidemic regressive autism is associated with the switch from using animal cells to produce vaccines to the use of aborted human fetal cells for vaccine production. Now when we vaccinate our children, some vaccines also deliver contaminating aborted human fetal DNA. The safety of this has never been tested.

Autism and autism spectrum disorder are polygenic diseases, meaning that multiple genes have been shown to be associated with these diseases. Studies have also clearly shown that there is an environmental component, a trigger, that is required. Vaccines are an obvious potential environmental trigger for autism because of the almost universal childhood exposure to vaccines in first world countries. The vaccine-autism connection was first hypothesized following the introduction of a new measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine to the U.S. in 1979, with complete U.S. market share by 1983, and to the UK in 1988. Autism rates began to rise in the U.S. after 1979 and rose dramatically after 1983, and likewise rose in the UK after 1988, leading physicians to suspect a link. Initially, the measles component of this vaccine, MMR II, was suspected to be the culprit. Subsequent studies have also focused on the presence of mercury in vaccines, which incidentally, the MMR II vaccine did not contain.

Those studies have largely ruled out the new measles portion of the MMR II or mercury as the environmental trigger for autism. However, the compelling temporal association between this new MMR vaccine and autism cannot be ignored or explained away. What has been ignored is the fact that this new MMR vaccine introduced the use of aborted fetal cells for vaccine production. At one point, as much as 94 percent of children in the U.S. and 98 percent of children in the UK were given this vaccine.
Today, more than 23 vaccines are contaminated by the use of aborted fetal cells. There is no law that requires that consumers be informed that some vaccines are made using aborted fetal cells and contain residual aborted fetal DNA. While newer vaccines produced using aborted fetal cells do inform consumers, in their package inserts, that the vaccines contain contaminating DNA from the cell used to produce the vaccine, they do not identify the cells as being derived from electively aborted human fetuses.

In other words, they tell you what is in the vaccine, but they don't fully inform you where it came from. The earliest aborted fetal cell-produced vaccines such as Meruvax (rubella) and MMR II do not even inform consumers that the vaccines contain contaminating DNA from the cell used to produce them. Furthermore, it is unconscionable that the public-health risk of injecting our children with residual contaminating human aborted fetal DNA has been ignored.

How could the contaminating aborted fetal DNA create problems? It creates the potential for autoimmune responses and/or inappropriate insertion into our own genomes through a process called recombination. There are groups researching the potential link between this DNA and autoimmune diseases such as juvenile (type I) diabetes, multiple sclerosis and lupus. Our organization, Sound Choice Pharmaceutical Institute (SCPI), is focused on studying the quantity, characteristics and genomic recombination of the aborted fetal DNA found in many of our vaccines.

Preliminary bioinformatics research conducted at SCPI indicates that "hot spots" for DNA recombination are found in nine autism-associated genes present on the X chromosome. These nine genes are involved in nerve-cell synapse formation, central nervous system development and mitochondrial function.

Could genomic insertion of the aborted fetal DNA, found in some of our childhood vaccines since 1979, be an environmental trigger for autism? Could the fact that genes critical for nerve synapse formation and nervous system development are found on the X chromosome provide some explanation of why autism is predominantly a disease found in boys? Could the "hot spots" identified in these autism-associated genes be sites for insertion of contaminating aborted fetal DNA?

These questions must be answered, and quickly. Recent literature suggests that autism spectrum disorder may now impact one out of every 100 children. The pharmaceutical industry is also currently moving to replace more animal-produced vaccines with aborted-fetal-cell production and also to produce biologic drugs using aborted fetal cells.

The practice of using aborted fetal cells for vaccine and drug production creates wrenching moral dilemmas for parents and consumers, ignores informed consent rights, and exposes our children and ourselves to contaminants lacking safety evaluations. We cannot ignore this issue in good conscience, and we cannot afford to wait.

(Dr. Deisher is president of Sound Choice Pharmaceutical Institute (www.soundchoice.org), as well as a cofounder and the research and development director for Ave Maria Biotechnology Company (www.avmbiotech.com), which promote pro-life biotechnology. This article is an adaptation and update of SCPI's June 2009 newsletter and is published with its kind permission

on Jan 19, 2011

In other words, they tell you what is in the vaccine, but they don't fully inform you where it came from. The earliest aborted fetal cell-produced vaccines such as Meruvax (rubella) and MMR II do not even inform consumers that the vaccines contain contaminating DNA from the cell used to produce them. Furthermore, it is unconscionable that the public-health risk of injecting our children with residual contaminating human aborted fetal DNA has been ignored.

And who would ever think to ask?

on Jan 19, 2011

Now when we vaccinate our children, some vaccines also deliver contaminating aborted human fetal DNA. The safety of this has never been tested.

Where is the evidence this happens?  He doesn't cite any.

You can be opposed to vaccines developed using fetal cells on the basis of your views on the morality of abortion.  But to do so would not be based on science.

This article uses the same 'logic' as Dan Rather did with regard to the Killian memos - there is no evidence of a link between vaccinations and autism whatsoever, but we must ignore the fact that there is no evidence because of the totally unrelated facts that vaccines are being administered to millions of children and autism is being diagnosed more frequently; we know there must be a connection no matter the lack of evidence so if it isn't thimerisol or the vaccine itself, it must be something else having to do with vaccines.

There is no reason to suspect that vaccines 'contaminated' with fetal DNA (if that even happens) would be more likely to cause autism (or any other disorder) than vaccines 'contaminated' with animal DNA.  His article is based on the wildest of desperate speculation, having more to do with the previous bogeyman having been exonerated than any viable scientific hypothesis.

on Jan 20, 2011

Preliminary bioinformatics research conducted at SCPI indicates that "hot spots" for DNA recombination are found in nine autism-associated genes present on the X chromosome. These nine genes are involved in nerve-cell synapse formation, central nervous system development and mitochondrial function.
Now when we vaccinate our children, some vaccines also deliver contaminating aborted human fetal DNA. The safety of this has never been tested.

Where is the evidence this happens? He doesn't cite any.

I thought she did in the 4th and 5th paragraph.

Those studies have largely ruled out the new measles portion of the MMR II or mercury as the environmental trigger for autism. However, the compelling temporal association between this new MMR vaccine and autism cannot be ignored or explained away. What has been ignored is the fact that this new MMR vaccine introduced the use of aborted fetal cells for vaccine production. At one point, as much as 94 percent of children in the U.S. and 98 percent of children in the UK were given this vaccine.

Today, more than 23 vaccines are contaminated by the use of aborted fetal cells.

In other words, they tell you what is in the vaccine, but they don't fully inform you where it came from. The earliest aborted fetal cell-produced vaccines such as Meruvax (rubella) and MMR II do not even inform consumers that the vaccines contain contaminating DNA from the cell used to produce them. Furthermore, it is unconscionable that the public-health risk of injecting our children with residual contaminating human aborted fetal DNA has been ignored.

Oh vaccines that deliver contaminated aborted human fetal DNA is happening for sure. It's just that it's been ignored and is still being ignored.

His article is based on the wildest of desperate speculation, having more to do with the previous bogeyman having been exonerated than any viable scientific hypothesis.

So say you.

I see it as a doctor making some pertinent observations ........

Preliminary bioinformatics research conducted at SCPI indicates that "hot spots" for DNA recombination are found in nine autism-associated genes present on the X chromosome. These nine genes are involved in nerve-cell synapse formation, central nervous system development and mitochondrial function.

and asking good questions that need to be answered...

Could genomic insertion of the aborted fetal DNA, found in some of our childhood vaccines since 1979, be an environmental trigger for autism? Could the fact that genes critical for nerve synapse formation and nervous system development are found on the X chromosome provide some explanation of why autism is predominantly a disease found in boys? Could the "hot spots" identified in these autism-associated genes be sites for insertion of contaminating aborted fetal DNA?

 

 

 

on Jan 20, 2011

None of the passages you quote constitutes any sort of evidence, lula.  'Could?' is not a hypothesis.  The last two quotes are particularly nebulous - we have no idea (neither does she) whether these 'observations' are 'pertinent' or whether these questions are 'good'.  Absent a basis for biological plausibility, they're pointless.  The list of things we can speculate 'could' do something is nearly infinite.

on Jan 20, 2011

None of the passages you quote constitutes any sort of evidence, lula.

Maybe not for you, but this was in 2009 where the NVAC draft report recommends further study and further study has indeed been done.

This article in 2010 indicates a study was presented which revealed the link between autism and aborted fetal DNA in vaccinations.

Study: Rise in Autism and introduction of Aborted Fetal DNA in Vaccines Correlate

By James Tillman

PHILADELPHIA, PA, June 3, 2010 (LifeSiteNews.com)—Dr. Theresa Deisher, founder of the pro-life Sound Choice Pharmaceutical Institute, presented a study revealing the link between autism and aborted fetal DNA in vaccinations at the International Meeting for Autism Research in May.

"The temporal connection between the introduction of aborted fetal DNA and autism rises is found over decades and across continents," Dr. Deisher told LifeSiteNews.  "This temporal connection is more compelling than any mercury connection," which, she said, had no temporal connection to rising rates of autism.

As the abstract of the study indicates, autism rates in the US and the UK began to increase around the same time that the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine switched from using animal cells to using human cells that had been derived from aborted fetuses.

The use of such cells means that the vaccine might contain residual human DNA fragments.  Dr. Deisher told LSN that "short fragments of human DNA residuals in vaccines present two well-documented potential physiological dangers" and "the possibility for auto-immune reactions."  While the immune system recognizes the DNA as foreign, its similarity to an individual’s own DNA can cause the immune system to attack parts of the individual's own body.

Another danger springs from the length of the DNA fragments.  Residual DNA fragments consisting of less than 250 base pairs (bp) have been shown to have a higher probability of entering the nucleus of human cells. Once inside the nucleus, short DNA fragments can integrate with the genome of the cell.  The probability of integration is 1 billion times greater with DNA from the same species than with DNA from another species, according to the abstract.

The study explained that, as the average human DNA fragment length in the rubella vaccine is 220bp, it would be especially likely to enter the nucleus of a cell.  Moreover, 25 of the "recombination hotspots" where the DNA fragment could likely combine are located in some of the autism-associated genes (AAG).  Thus, such recombination could be one of the causes of autism.

According to SCPI, before children received many vaccinations and before vaccines contained aborted fetal DNA, only about 1 of 10,000 children was diagnosed with autism, whereas now 1 of 150 is diagnosed.

Sound Choice is working to provide further evidence of a causal association between residual human DNA and autism.  "In order to definitively prove the connection, one would want to see these vaccines all replaced and autism rates go down immediately," Dr. Deisher told LSN.

Sound Choice also plans to look at historical databases for more evidence of correlation, to evaluate a mouse model of autism using mouse DNA fragments, and to attempt to determine the exact location where human DNA fragments enter the human genome.

The pro-life organization Children of God for Life praised Sound Choice and its companion organization Ave Maria Biotechnology for their crucial research. 

"Until the advent of AVM Biotechnology and their non-profit arm SCPI we had little hope that anyone would invest the time and money to do this study", stated Children of God for Life founder Debi Vinnedge.

"Dr. Deisher's work is a blessing to hundreds of thousands of families, if not millions worldwide," Vinnedge continued. "She is a direct answer to our prayers for a biotech company focused solely on moral research and ethically produced vaccines and therapeutics."

...................

So A, We know pharmaceuticals have admitted using aborted fetal tissue in vaccines.

And B, we know ........

A recent study by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has confirmed 1988 as a “change point” in the rise of Autism Disorder rates in the U.S. - a date that pro-life leaders say correlates with the introduction of fetal cells for use in vaccines. 

According to the pro-life group Sound Choice Pharmaceutical Institute (SCPI), which specializes in vaccine research, that “environmental factor” may well be the use of aborted fetal cells in vaccines. 

The group pointed out in its most recent newsletter that 1988 is the same year the U.S. Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices began recommending a second dose of the MMR vaccine, which included cells derived from the tissue of aborted babies.

Analyses of autism rate data published by SCPI identify 3 clear change points in U.S. autism disorder trends: 1981, 1988 and 1995, all of which the groups claims roughly correlate with the use of vaccines (Meruvax, MMRII, and Chickenpox) that were cultivated with the use of tissue from aborted children. The group says that it has been unable to identify any other factor that might correlate to the change in autism rates. 

And C, we know the correlation has been not only in the US, but all over the world...

Fetal cell line vaccines such as measles-mumps-rubella, chicken pox, and hepatitis A are not only morally problematic, said Deisher, but their use has a dramatic correlation with an epidemic on the rise: autism.

When examining the points at which autism diagnosis mysteriously spiked in the U.S., said Deisher, “the only thing that is associated with these change points is the introduction of a fetal cell vaccine.” She said the correlation even holds true for the U.S., Canada, Great Britain, Wales, Denmark, Japan, and southeastern Asian countries: “in every country we have looked at, they have different change points, every one is associated with an aborted fetal event.” No other variable, she said, has correlated so closely to the pattern of autism diagnosis.

 

on Jan 20, 2011

You can be opposed to vaccines developed using fetal cells on the basis of your views on the morality of abortion. But to do so would not be based on science.

Yes, being pro-life and for moral and ethical reasons, I am opposed to manufacturers to using aborted fetal tissues in the production of vaccines.

I disagree as far as the correlation between autism and aborted fetal cells in vaccines not based on medical science. I posted that lengthy article to show that Dr. Deisher's work in biotechnology about cells, vaccines and DNA fragments is indeed medically scientificly supported.

You may not be convinced of the link or that it's based on science but I am.

 

 

on Jan 20, 2011

Even the second article is all speculation, lula.  There's not a shred of real evidence, nothing but speculation about how an alleged 'temporal relationship' might be explained.  DNA 'contamination' may or may not occur and may or may not have anything to do with autism but neither of her articles establish that such 'contamination' occurs, that such 'insertion' in fact occurs or that 'insertion' in 'autism-associated genes', if it occurs, has any effect.  Science may tell us.  Or it may not.

This is like saying Sarah Palin's crosshairs map may have caused Jared Loughner to shoot Congresswoman Giffords.  The connection is currrently just as tenuous (non-existent in the case of Loughner).

From the EPA study (not exactly where I go for medical information):

The number of individuals identified as having autism has increased dramatically in recent years, but whether some proportion of this increase is real is unknown.

So we don't know whether the 'increase' in autism (which now includes a number of clinical syndromes not previously called autism but now lumped together as 'autism spectrum disorder') is more a function of changes in labeling or in the actual incidence of disease.

on Jan 22, 2011

Well seeing as half a MILLION children were followed in Denmark and the those that didn't have the vaccine actually had the same rate (in fact those had had the vaccine was very slightly less although not statically significant) than those who didn't I recon the evidence is in.

 

 

on Jan 22, 2011

From the EPA study (not exactly where I go for medical information):

We agree on this point! but sometimes these agancies come up with something that is useful.

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