Published on August 27, 2010 By KFC Kickin For Christ In Religion
There's been increasing discussion over the differences between Islam and Christianity.  Are they basically the same, just different religions?  Do they worship the same God?  Are their basic tenets the same with just a few variables? 
I see major differences between the Islamic faith and the Christian Faith.     How tolerant is the Muslim faith?  How does it compare to the tolerance of the Christian faith? Are they both equally intolerant of anything outside their faith?  I don't think so. 
To be a good Muslim you must accept the Koran without quesion.  To be a good Christian, you are allowed to question, seek, and sift the scriptures to gain understanding.  Questioning is allowed. 
The Koran says if you decide to leave Islam after having believed, you deserve death.  Sounds pretty serious to me and very intolerant.  How does that compare with Christianity? 
First of all, contrary to many, you don't leave Christianity.  Ya, I know.  I did hear  about the famous author who recently declared she left Christianity (the RC faith) but that's just not a biblical concept.  You can leave any Christian denomination but that doesn't mean you leave the faith if you didn't have it to begin with.   To say you have left Christianity is to say you left YOUR idea of Chrisitianity.   The Apostle John said it best when he said "they left us because they were not of us." 
To be a Christian means to be "born again" into the faith.  It's a spiritual birth that you just don't walk away from.  It's like being born physically.  You don't stop being a human because you decide to.  So to say you're no longer a Christian is like saying, I'm no longer human.  I've decided to be an animal instead.  You may act like an animal but in reality you are not.  Same as saying you're a Christian.  You may act like one, sound like one but in all reality you're really nothing more than a counterfeit.  It eventually gets found out.  It doesn't stand up to the genuine Christian criteria test.  So they leave. 
Anyway, in the Christian denominations, you are free to declare you are no longer Christian without fear of being killed for it unlike the fear instilled in the Muslim to Christian belief switch. 
According to Islam if you are homosexual you should die.  They hate homosexuals and want them destroyed. How does this compare with the Christian faith? 
Certainly we know the Christians are against the homosexual lifestyle but they are equally not for condoning their death just because they are.   In fact, the Christian's duty is to love and help the homosexuals like they would any other person they would meet along the way.  You can love someone but yet not condone their behavior.  That's what the Christians are called to do.  There is truth to the "love the sinner, hate the sin" motto.  It is a biblical concept. 
The Koran orders the belief that women are subservient to men.  Woman have no rights, or very little rights depending on where they live.  In many cases they are treated worse than slaves. 
How does this compare to Christianity?  Everyone knows the one little verse in Ephesians that says that women are to submit to their husbands.  Isn't this the same?  No.  It's made very clear in scripture that women are equal with men.  God has given them different roles and one of the roles for men in scripture is that they are to be leaders of their families and the churches.  But that doesn't mean subservient as the Islam religion teaches.  In context men are to love their wives as Christ loved the church.  For order sake, everything has an order to it. Anything without a head is dead and anything with more than one head not only is abnormal but chaotic. 
According to the Christian faith, woman are to be under the leadership of their husbands as the husbands are under the headship of Christ.  Everything is to be done for the best interest of the one you're leading.  It's to be done with love and best interest in mind.  Christ did a great deal of elevating women when he walked the earth.
The Koran tells its followers not to be a friend of the Christian or Jews.  In fact, it instructs them to kill the infidels (anyone outside of Islam).  They are also to lie to those not of their faith to gain approval before they destroy them.  How nice.  Talk about a wolf in sheep's clothing. 
How does Christianity compare?  We are to go out into the world, being good examples with the goal to win them to Christ.  We are instructed very clearly NOT to lie but to be bearers of the truth.  While we are not to be unequally yoked (in marriage or business) with unbelievers we can be friends with non-believers without fear of going against biblical principles.  Certainly we are NOT to kill anyone.  The instructions are, tell people the truth and if they accept you've gained a brother.  If they don't accept, move on.  Certainly don't preach them to death.
There is no freedom in the Muslim faith.  It's all about bondage and fear.  The followers are to do what they are told and not to stray from their truth or they or their family will be punished severely. 
In the Christian faith it's all about freedom.  We've been set free.  He conquered our soul, invaded the frontier of our lives and set us free.  For the Christian our D-Day was way back during the time when a little baby came into the world to set the captives free.  Just like on D-Day the first ones who recognized this were the enemies.  The captives had no idea their deliverer had come, but the enemy did. 
 The demons did everything they could to stop Him meeting him on the shores of Galilee doing everything they could to stop him from setting the prisioners free.  Even in the beginning  they tried to kill him before he could even walk and talk.  When that failed, they later  put obstacles in his way, ridiculed him, tried their best to kill his character and eventually managed to pull off his death mistakenly thinking they had finally won.  They're still at it even today, trying to influence mankind that they don't need any such deliverer keeping people in bondage even now.   Not unlike the Muslims who are doing it in the open.  The only difference is one is above ground (physically) and one isn't (spiritually). 
To me the real question is why is the American government so tolerant of the Islamic system when they are anything but tolerant of us?  Why is the American government so intolerant to the Christian faith when it was founded on Christian principles to begin with? 
Could it be, as scripture puts it, that in the last days evil would become good and good would become evil. 
I think so. 
 
 
   
 

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on Aug 29, 2010

KFC Kickin For Christ
for approximately 1200 years the paramount punishment imposed on residents of christian europe was excommunication which often preceded execution. what changed? we hadda renaissance--a rebirth--of humanism. islamic culture differs from ours in one critical aspect that manifests itself in their expression 'inshallah'.You're talking RELIGIONISM in the name of Christianity but it's NOT Christianity.  The bible warns us about those that will come in the name of Christ but they are anti-Christs that have come into the world.  There are many of them.  Whenever you have a genuine anything there are MANY counterfeits.  That's why it's so important to know the truth (sets you free) so you can recognize the lie the minute you see it.   If you don't know the truth, you will NOT be able to recognize the lie because it will mimic the truth tweaking it just a little to make it seem authentic.  Remember the best lie has some truth in it. how about the iraremember a guy named tim mcveigh, blew up a courthouse in oklahoma city?KB..the IRA and Timothy McVeigh had NOTHING to do with Christianity.  I'm talking Christianity vs Muslims.  I'm talking the Holy Bible vs the Koran here. A Chrisitian is NOT going to blow up or murder ANYONE.  The mark of a Christian is Love.  That's how you tell the difference.  The FRUIT of the spirit of God is love, joy, peace, patience, goodness, kindness etc. I get how confusing it is with genuine and counterfeits worshipping in the same building even.  That's what Jesus meant when he said the wheat and tares will grow together until the harvest.  That's when it will be revealed who is who. Until then we have an instruction book and a Holy Spirit that helps us determine who is genuine and who isn't.  

 

No true scotsman fallacy.

Regardless of whether he was, wasn't,or was a red headed leprechaun in disguise. You can deny all you want, that McVeigh was a "true" Christian, but that is (was) between him and his God, not you, or your (human) opinion.

 

on Aug 29, 2010

A tree is known by his fruit.  You can say all you want that an apple tree is a pear tree until it starts producing apples. 

True, that only God judges the heart.  We are not to judge a person's heart. It's not our job.   But we are to be fruit inspectors. 

"By their fruits they will be known."  Jesus

"The world will know that you are my disciples by the LOVE you have for one another."   Jesus

 

 

on Aug 29, 2010

Again, it's between him and his God. All you have is supposition based off of what you are told.

on Aug 30, 2010

it's not about being told, it's about seeing what was done.  Actions speak louder than words. 

You can say anything.  You can profess anything.  It's all in the evidence.  You know..proof is in the pudding? 

That's why Christ himself said:

"many will SAY in that day, Lord, Lord, we did this in your name and I will say to them, "I don't know you." 

So those bombing anyone or anything in the name of Christ are severely deceived. 

 

on Aug 30, 2010

Certainly we know the Christians are against the homosexual lifestyle but they are equally not for condoning their death just because they are.   In fact, the Christian's duty is to love and help the homosexuals like they would any other person they would meet along the way.  You can love someone but yet not condone their behavior.  That's what the Christians are called to do.  There is truth to the "love the sinner, hate the sin" motto.  It is a biblical concept. 
The Koran orders the belief that women are subservient to men.  Woman have no rights, or very little rights depending on where they live.  In many cases they are treated worse than slaves.
You are absolutely right when it comes to the religions as they are lived today.
However, you are really referring to specific interpretations. On the one hand you have the current fundamentalist interpretations of Islam and on the other hand you use your own very liberal (if you can believe the term) and open-minded version of Christianity.
I can point you to Islamic scholars who think about homosexuality and women's rights as you do and I can also point you to (supposed) Christians who are not far from current Islam (think Uganda).
But the important point is how we can stop this. How can we help women? And how can we (you) argue that there is anything wrong about homosexual practices if the most extreme opponents of it are so clearly much much more wrong?
Whenever I want to learn something about Islam, I don't go to the Khomeinis and Sauds of our world, I go to liberal Islamic scholars who quote the Quran more often than they  "interpret" it.
on Aug 30, 2010

What's wrong with paragraphs in this thread???

on Aug 30, 2010

KFC Kickin For Christ

 Today, as Christians we are not enslaved by the law anymore.  Christ took that burden away by fulfilling the law completely.   But that doesn't make the law totally null and void. 
 

This has confused me.  Does that mean that all the laws and guidance in the OT are not valid?

 

don't understand the comparing what happened during the days of Moses and Joshua to what is happening today.  There is about 4,000 years difference between the cultures.  It's the whole apples and oranges thing again.  Let's compare today with today

But it is the same god now as then isn't it?  The god of the bible ordered gays to be killed and villages put to death because of what one person did.  Did god change his mind between the OT and the NT?  Did god change or is the god you worship not the same one that moses dealt with?

 

on Aug 30, 2010

The god of the bible ordered gays to be killed and villages put to death because of what one person did.  Did god change his mind between the OT and the NT?  Did god change or is the god you worship not the same one that moses dealt with?

The people that god ordered dead are dead. And nobody was ever condemned to death by G-d just for being (or even acting) homosexual.

We don't know why G-d doesn't interfere any more or how exactly the deaths you mention happened.

 

on Aug 30, 2010

However, you are really referring to specific interpretations. On the one hand you have the current fundamentalist interpretations of Islam and on the other hand you use your own very liberal (if you can believe the term) and open-minded version of Christianity.

There's not much interpretation when it comes to homosexuality and what the bible says.  It's pretty clear, very clear.  A man is NOT to lie with a man and a woman is not to lie with a woman.  It's called an abomination.  In Jude it's called "strange flesh."   If people are interpreting it differently then it's because they want to believe what they want despite what scripture clearly outlines. 

I don't call myself open-minded when it comes to the Scripture.  I just read it at face value and have to be honest with what it says.  I'm not an extremist if that's what you mean.  I believe in Grace where some may take the legalistic approach and come down hard.  But then we have to ask ourselves, how did Jesus react to sin when he was faced with it?  He always reacted with love but he never let them off the hook.  He always addressed their sin issue sometimes even bluntly.   

But the important point is how we can stop this. How can we help women? And how can we (you) argue that there is anything wrong about homosexual practices if the most extreme opponents of it are so clearly much much more wrong?

We can help them by teaching the men about the love of Jesus and what he wanted.  Jesus elevated women to their proper position.  The homosexual practice is very wrong in God's eyes, called an abomination which is very strong language in scripture.  The reason is because God created man and woman to be untied in marriage to reflect his image.  A man and a man cannot do this.  Neither can a woman and a woman.  In God's plan it takes both a man and a woman to reflect God and that was his desire for marriage.   Homosexuality is a perversion of the image of God and what Satan is promoting.  Remember he does everything the opposite;  he twists, deceives and perverts to influence mankind away from the true God.   

The marriage analogy is very prevelant in scripture.  The church is called the bride of Christ.  She is to be pure, holy and waiting for her bridegroom.  She is not to play the harlot but to wait for husband to claim her.  That's what the church is supposed to be doing, waiting and watching for the bridgroom to come and take his bride.   

This has confused me. Does that mean that all the laws and guidance in the OT are not valid?

It's not so much that they're not valid as we're not under the law today but under Grace lke I outlined earlier here.  The law shows us God's heart.  We are still not to murder, steal, covet ect.  Those commandments are not only written down in the Torah but also they are called natural laws written on the hearts of mankind.  The law in it's totality is much more than just 10 commandments.   The law was fulfilled in Christ.  The law pointed to the Messiah who would come.   

The god of the bible ordered gays to be killed and villages put to death because of what one person did.

The people that god ordered dead are dead. And nobody was ever condemned to death by G-d just for being (or even acting) homosexual.

What dead people are we talking about here? 

There are absolutely no stories of homosexuals being killed off in the bible.  None. 

If you care to show me, go ahead.  The closest I can come to thinking of an occurrance is when Noah's son Ham looked at his father's nakedness.  Many believe it was more than just a passing glance and think maybe there might have been a homosexual overture there but not only is that not clear, Ham was NOT ordered killed although he did receive a curse from God over it. 

God is always about grace and second chances, even in the OT. 

on Aug 30, 2010

God did command they were put to death. 

As for killings - why did god kill the first born of all families in moses times?  Babes in arms will have been included - innocents that were killed by god from the crimes of their dictator.  Delibratery killed children doesn't sound like love to me. 

on Aug 30, 2010

As for killings - why did god kill the first born of all families in moses times?

again, you have to read the whole story and context.  You are talking about the VERY last plaque of the 10 plagues that hit Egypt.  God gave Pharoah nine chances to let his people go.  Each time Pharoah said no and then finally God sent the very last plague that would kill every firstborn that did not obey his command.  That firstborn included cattle and grownups too.  It was not about killing babies. 

But every time judgement comes God always has a way out.  He's a God of second chances.  The ones who obeyed him by putting blood upon their doorposts, the death angel passed by.  So not ALL families were affected.  Only those who did not obey.  No difference today.  Those who obey God and follow him will have no problem when judgment comes. 

God did command they were put to death.

show me where they were put to death. You keep saying this but are not giving me any scripture where homosexuals were put to death. 

I was just teaching John 8 in my bible study.  It's very clear reading that passage that the Jews would twist and pervert the scriptures when they discussed it with Christ.  Just like Satan did in the Garden to Eve.  That's what you're doing here when you say "all families." 

In John 8 Jesus said "verily, verily, I say to you, if a man keeps my saying he will not "see" death." 

They responded:  Then said the Jews to him, Now we know you have a devil, Abraham is dead and the prophets and you say if a man keeps my saying he shall never "taste" death." 

after that Jesus said:  Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day, and he saw it and was glad." 

they responded:  Then said the Jews unto him you are not yet fifty years old and you have seen Abraham?" 

see how they distorted the words just a wee little bit to pervert them?  Be careful what you're doing Basmas and make sure you're being honest with your words. 

 

 

on Aug 30, 2010

So what is OBL if not a 'Death Angel' from G-d?  Killing those 'who did not obey'.

on Aug 31, 2010

God gave Pharoah nine chances to let his people go. Each time Pharoah said no and then finally God sent the very last plague that would kill every firstborn that did not obey his command.

you forgot a very crucial link between those two sentences.  in between giving pharoah a chance and pharoah saying no, pharoah's heart was "hardened" by god was it not. 

pharoah wasn't merely set up; he was pushed.

 

on Aug 31, 2010

Where did I say that there are documented cases of homosexuals being killed?  What I keep on saying is that the god commanded them to be put to death.

The LORD said to Moses,  "Say to the Israelites......... If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death'

 

Your argument about the moses killings doesn't really wash.  First born babies in houses that didn't put blood on the walls would have been killed by your god in order to cause terror in the rulers of the country.  Show me how ALL the first born were to fault and you have showed me that on this occasion god didn't kill innocents. 

If I warn the President of the USA 7 times to get out of the middle east can I then kill children in the US until he does it?  What would you call that action>

on Aug 31, 2010

pharoah wasn't merely set up; he was pushed.

no he wasn't.  We've been over this before, actually many times on JU.  Pharoah hardened his heart quite a few times on his own before God hardened it for him.  There is such a thing as a point of no return.  That's what happened to Pharoah. 

Ten times it is said that Pharaoh hardened his own heart (7:13,14,22, 8:15,19,32, 9:7,34,35, 13:15) and ten times that God hardened Pharaoh's heart.  Seven times Pharaoh hardened his own heart before God first hardened it. 

even Pharoah admitted himself..."I have sinned this time, the Lord is righteous and I and my people are wicked."  Ex 9:27   although Moses perceived that this confession was superficial. 

 

 

 

 

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