hmmmm what happened to my paragraph breaks? 

I'm confused by several comments in this. 

1) You may be free to question the holy text but are you free to do opposite to it?  If you have to obey it, even after questioning it there is very little functional difference

2) Practice as opposed to theory

There are numerous verses in the bible talking about killing people, whole towns etc for things that are against gods law (including merely being in a town were somebody is trying to convert a believer of your god) .  Where is the verse in the bible saying that they are no longer valid?

What I'm saying is, even if you do go against the bible, there's nobody out there who is going to kill you for it like what happens if you don't obey the Koran fully. 

All thru the NT the weapons of the Christian faith are love, peace, and mercy.  If you remember, Peter cut off the ear of a Soldier before they carted Jesus away.  Christ healed the ear on the spot as an example of how we are to behave.  The book of Romans and Galatians are filled with the differences between being under the law of the OT and under grace in the NT. 

you're talking Judism and the OT, not Christianity which is another topic.  Also you'd have to be more specific for me to reply to what you're referring to. 

For example

If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives."  (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.'  (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)

OT and Christianty - I thought the NT was built on the OT, for did jesus not say 'Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets.' also see “Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law" (John7:19)

I know he said something that has been assumed to re-write the food laws but where is the evidence that all the other things are gone?

Supplemental question - if the laws are gone how do you know which ot the moral laws in the OT carry on - is it just the ones that are mentioned explicitly?

There are lots on internal contradictions in the Bible that scholars have been trying for centuries to reconcile.  There's also the matter of practical conduct of society necessarily requiring certain Biblical proscriptions be ignored, but those proscriptions are not central to 'being a Christian'.

Trying to argue the minutiae of internal contradictions as 'proof' of the moral equivalence of Christianity & Islam 1) misses the point and 2) diverts attention from the obvious.  Claiming that Christians are no better than (or just as bad as) Muslims because the Bible has some passages calling for the killing or death of certain individuals or groups fails to recognize the differences in their behaviors.  And in the interest of keeping it real, don't bother with the argument about the Crusades, yada yada.

Arab (and some non-Arab) Muslims routinely publicly call for the destruction of the state of Israel and the Jewish people.  They've repeatedly demonstrated the conviction of those calls in actual attacks on Israel and its citizens, and on other 'infidels'.  They have more in common with the Aryan Brotherhood in that regard.  I'm unaware of any Jewish or Christian entities publicly advocating the destruction of any Arab state or the righteous murder of its citizens, let alone Muslims specifically, and let alone actually killing any.

Actually Daiwa there are NO contradictions in the bible. It's the non-believers who say there are.   A well known bible scholar was challenged in his classroom at a seminary with an accusation about contradicitions.  The scholar challenged the young student to come back, after studying the bible, with his contradictions.  After a good 48 hours of getting no sleep the student came in with one or two admittedly weak contradictions on his part after being able to figure out what he originally thought were  contradictions.   Basically he studied himself right out of the supposed contradictions. 

I've been studying the book for almost 40 yrs now and what I've found is that if I think there is a contradiction it gets settled later by reading another passage that sheds light on it.  I've pretty much come to the conclusion as many scholars before me that it's not that the bible has contradictions it's that we have faulty reasoning.  The problem is with us, not the scriptures. 

Basmas..no time to answer you fully but keep in mind the NT is NOT a continuation of the OT but is consistent with it.  That's why it's called a New Covenant. 

The rest of the verse you didn't quote was that he came to fulfill the law.  The whole law was like a shadow with Christ being the body. The law pointed to the Messiah that would come.   There is no need to look at the shadow anymore when you have the body present with you.  Once we were under the law but now we are under grace.  That's what the Apostles found out.  The whole law pointed to Christ and now he's come.  He fulfilled it. 

Answer you more fully tomorrow. 

Thanks for paying attention to the pertinent stuff.

I don't understand the comparing what happened during the days of Moses and Joshua to what is happening today.  There is about 4,000 years difference between the cultures.  It's the whole apples and oranges thing again.  Let's compare today with today.  Let's compare the Muslims of today with the Christians of today.  Let's not compare the Muslims of today with the Jews of yesteryear.  It's nothing more than an argument of rationalization.   

There were good solid reasons for what happened during the days of Moses and Arron.  Many choose not to try and understand the times but just rattle off (out of context) certain instances of what they don't understand. 

exactly.  There isn't any.  This is really a one sided war.  Kill the infidels and all will be right with the world. If they didn't have that mentality, there would be no Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iraq wars going on today. 

Acknowledging there are lots of good peaceful Muslims out there but if it comes down to it, they will eventually be forced to follow their fellow Muslims in the end to prove their allegiance. 

Everything you say Daiwa is pertinent stuff  

You're putting two scriptures together from two diff books even.  Context means everything.  If you read John 7 as you quoted above you'd see that Jesus is calling them out for their disobedience.  He's telling them Moses, gave you the law and you say you revere Moses but then you're wanting to murder me?  Killing Christ is violating the sixth commandment "thou shall not murder." 

He's showing them they are blind to their own scriptures and proving they were unworthy descendants not only of Moses but also Abraham (See John 8).  His sentence on them came in his question to them "why do you seek to kill me?"  showing them they were not of God in the first place but of Satan. 

 Though the Jews revered the Law of Moses and sought to keep it and acquire their salvation by their careful efforts at obeying and honoring the law, nobody has EVER entered the kingdom by means of obeying it.  That's not the purpose of the Law.  This is the unmistakable teaching of the NT.  There are many passages I could give you. Here's just one: 

"For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes."  Rom 10:4

There is to be no more striving for perfection, for righteousness.  Christ made the law obsolete because we no longer have to work to establish our own righteousness.  We are saved by his righteousness, not our own. 

Here's another:

"Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ that we might be justified by faith.  But after faith has come we are no longer under a tutor."  Gal 3:24

No longer under the law.  This is where the "justified by faith" comes from.  We are no longer under the law but under grace (saved by faith).  Doesn't stop many denominations from trying to put the yoke of the law back upon our shoulders unfortunately. 

Moses brought in the law and Christ brought in Grace.  Grace is higer than the law.  Today, as Christians we are not enslaved by the law anymore.  Christ took that burden away by fulfilling the law completely.   But that doesn't make the law totally null and void. 

The law of Moses was made to REVEAL sin, NOT to SAVE us from sin.  The Jews had perverted it to be the means of salvation and refused to be indicted by it and driven to the mercy of God in the manifestation of the Messiah.  No matter how they studied and tried to apply the Law it was clear they failed.  The refused to allow the Law to do its intened work of convicting them and humbling them and driving them to repentance and faith in Jesus.  He was the end of the Law (Rom 10:4).  But they were so far from understanding the Law's purpose they reject the ONLY one who could saved them from the Law's condemnation and sought to kill him. 

for approximately 1200 years the paramount punishment imposed on residents of christian europe was excommunication which often preceded execution.  what changed?  we hadda renaissance--a rebirth--of humanism.  islamic culture differs from ours in one critical aspect that manifests itself in their expression 'inshallah'.  

galileo, auto-de-fe, witch burning, heresy, monarchic tyranny by virtue of divine right.  

are you not a proponent of what's sometimes referred to as dominionism?

otherwise, you could not seriously claim this:

it isn't and it wasn't. 

you have any idea what's happening in uganda right now as a direct consequence of american evangeligal christian influence?

check it out here

in nigeria, evangelicals are equally focused on wiping out child witches.  but that's whole other spike driven through some kid's skull.

That's pretty freakin' obtuse, kb.  From your link (Wikipedia, but even so): "In May 2010 the committee recommended withdrawing it."  I think we're long past that here.

What's with the commas & periods?

If you or anyone else can identify the modern Christian equivalent of Al Qaeda, you'll win the debate.  Till then...

several come to mind immediately--at least in terms of extremist views and a demonstrated propensity for terrorism: christian identity, fred phelps and his westboro baptist church and the lord's resistance army.

not on the same scale?

all they need is a messianic multimillionaire and a failed nation state from which to coordinate operations.

john brown's body may be moulderin in his grave but...

Promise me I'll be the first one you call when that happens.  I'll keep the light on for ya.

remember a guy named tim mcveigh, blew up a courthouse in oklahoma city?  a gang of christian identity patriots who robbed banks to fund their planned separatist white christian state in idaho?   how bout them christian warriors from michigan and indiana who were arrested earlier this year before they launched their holy war? 

for that matter, how about the ira and their ulstermen opponents? 

are any of the above more or less representative of their professed religion than wahabbis of islam?

You're talking RELIGIONISM in the name of Christianity but it's NOT Christianity.  The bible warns us about those that will come in the name of Christ but they are anti-Christs that have come into the world.  There are many of them.  Whenever you have a genuine anything there are MANY counterfeits.  That's why it's so important to know the truth (sets you free) so you can recognize the lie the minute you see it.   If you don't know the truth, you will NOT be able to recognize the lie because it will mimic the truth tweaking it just a little to make it seem authentic.  Remember the best lie has some truth in it. 

KB..the IRA and Timothy McVeigh had NOTHING to do with Christianity.  I'm talking Christianity vs Muslims.  I'm talking the Holy Bible vs the Koran here. 

A Chrisitian is NOT going to blow up or murder ANYONE.  The mark of a Christian is Love.  That's how you tell the difference.  The FRUIT of the spirit of God is love, joy, peace, patience, goodness, kindness etc. 

I get how confusing it is with genuine and counterfeits worshipping in the same building even.  That's what Jesus meant when he said the wheat and tares will grow together until the harvest.  That's when it will be revealed who is who. Until then we have an instruction book and a Holy Spirit that helps us determine who is genuine and who isn't.