http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/cellphone.asp

I didn't put in that email going around that snopes is speaking of.  So what's your point?   Snopes does say this in the link you provided:

"The intent of these programs is to help ensure that everyone, regardless of income, has access to basic telephone services in order to help keep in touch with family members, make medical appointments, contact emergency services, be reachable by telephone themselves, etc. "

Which is exactly what I said.  This did not contradict what I'm saying here.   I put in a link that registers you into the program which is a genuine link for welfare assistence to get one of these services. 

As far as it not being an Obama program, ok.  Maybe he didn't institute it.  But he sure went delete crazy the first few weeks in ofice but his pen didn't reach this far did it?   So as far as we can tell he does sanction welfare recipiants (and others) to get free phone service at taxpayers expense. 

That if you follow the links from that post you will realize that what the original poster (YOU) claim as "Obama's Phone's" are actually a Florida State implementation of an FCC fund set up through a law that was passed in 1996. So who's phones are they?

Let me ask you what your point is? Why are you bashing Obama for a program which for all intensive purpose has nothing to do with him but has more to do with your own state legislature in 2008 and the federal lawmakers back in 1996. Do I need to refresh your memory who was in congress back then? Do I need to remind you who your own Governor was in 2008?

yes, maybe you do.  If you're trying to say it was a Bush, think again. 

First off there's nothing remotely  here that has anything to do with bashing Obama.   If I did, believe me I'd be spending the whole article on the disaster he's been since he's entered office and how there are scores of democrats who won't vote for him again.  The only time he's mentioned  here is when I called this program  "Obama's Phones."   I don't blame one person for the country's ills nor do I pick out a party to blame.  There's plenty of blame to go around regarding both parties.  I say, kick the whole bunch out, and start over.  If Obama wasn't for this, he would have taken care of it immediately.  He's pretty fast moving when it comes to signing his signature these days. 

I'm going after the program not the person.  It's pretty clear by reading my words. 

As far as my own state...this phone program started in 1984 by the FCC, not 2008 and 20 states are involved not just Florida. 

Funding for this program is coming from the surcharges on our phones that WE ARE PAYING FOR! 

here's another link: 

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/f/free-cell-phones.htm

No I know exactly who it is was and still is.  I'd actually vote for him for Senate if I lived there.

So would I. But put blame where it falls. If you want to put blame on Obama atleast use something that he's directly involved in. There is plenty of stuff out there this just isn't one of them.

No initial law is out of a 1996 bill, the program is administered by the FCC.  The Cellphone contracts for Florida were added by your State Govt., Each state does its own implementation and in your state that part was added in 2008.

My problem isn't with Obama directly.  It was with the system.  Obama is the President.  The buck stops at his desk.  If he chooses, he could reverse this program like he's already done on other programs but since he hasn't, he owns it for now because he's sanctioning it. 

But we do agree mostly on the fact that there is plenty of stuff out there to blame him for and since he didn't create this program he's not totally to blame.  He's just a typical dem who likes to keep the doling-out-our-money-programs. 

My friend wrote me on the side telling me about her tenant who was collecting welfare while truck driving on the side.  When her husband found out he threatened to report them but they moved out and they lost contact with them.  They probably have a new cell phone thanks to the government.   Multiply this by thousands and that's why these programs are not working.  But in the meantime our taxes just keep going up and up and up. 

We are getting ready to ditch our landline because the taxes and surcharges are unbelieveable.  Now I know that some of this is going to this welfare cell phone program and I resent that. 

And you would rather have him deal with such a contrite waste of time issue than what is going on in the world?

so you think our economic meltdown is a contrite waste of time?  It's pretty much front page and top news story on the evening news every night. 

You might be interested in reading a new book that just came out.  It's called "The Coming Economic Armageddon" by David Jeremiah. 

Here's a link to check on:  http://www.davidjeremiah.org/site/cea.aspx?tid=2010aug10v6

 No I think bashing someone over a cellphone program when they had nothing to do with it is a contrite waste of time.

No I think Ill save my money instead of giving it to a fraudulent opportunist.

Nothing to do with the creation, but ultimate responsibility for its continuation. In other words, who created it (Clinton and congress) no longer matters.  Who can do something about it does.

Exactly.  Regardless we still have this freebie program at taxpayer expense which is not a need but a luxury. 

once again you say I'm bashing Obama.  Where in the world are you getting that subjective opinion?  The subject matter here is NOT Obama but the program he thinks is ok. 

ya, that's how to be well rounded.  Are you afraid you might learn something that goes against what you so dogmatically believe?    You don't even know that Jeremiah (I've met him personally many times) is a well known and beloved mainstream man of God.  I went to a Pastor's conference along with my husband and about 100 other pastors and he gave us all a set of his whole library of books at no small cost to him.  He's a proficient writer basically putting in book form his sermons to his congregation.

What I believe dogmatically has nothing to do with why I think David Jeremiah is an opportunist. However knowing that his organization resigned from the ECFA after a financial investigation does. It is disappointing to see so many people these days using religion for their own political and/or financial gain. Particularly when they are associated with a church whose religious dogma comes from the same book that mine comes from.

You are correct. It is my opinion. So let me pull out your exact statements which have formed this opinion.

"You're Paying For The Obama Phones"

"The Obama cell phone plan"

It's simple. You just call the company. Not having a phone is an excellent excuse to do so. Pay phones do exist.

I got my first ever real job in 1998 in Dublin just after finishing high school. I am not particularly bright. It took me an extra year to finish school because I failed the final exams the first try.

I was 19 years old and had just left my parents' house. In Dublin I shared a room with three other people in a house shared by about 20 people because that was all I could afford. I did have health insurance.

I applied for a job by walking into company buildings and after a few days I found a job as a computer technician. I installed Windows and network adapters for a living. The way the application worked that they would either send me away (and I would call them the next day to learn their decision) or, in the one case where I succeeded, worked for them for half a day so they could see if it would make sense to hire me. They ultimately became a subsidiary of ComputerLand.

For various reasons I moved away and only returned to Ireland in 2004, when I again found myself without much money and, obviously, no mobile phone (which by then had become normal).

I lived again in that same house and applied for a new job the same way I knew, except that I also called the company I used to work for years before. They had been bought and sold a few times and had moved around quite a lot. And they hired me again. For a few days I took a bus daily from where I lived to the city centre to the General Post Office because the GPO had the must trustworthy pay phones. I called the company and received word that I had an interview and ultimately that I had a job.

It was on that job that I rceived my first mobile phone.

The next job I got via a recruiter. The company called the recruiter, not me. And while the recruiter called me, I could also have called him. I don't think the application the company saw even had my phone number on it.

In that case he also shouldn't accept one. I always felt that government programs like that should be for the needy, not the lazy. If you CAN work, you shoudn't accept government help.

And the worrying part is that I am very left-wing. I am in favour of a public healthcare system and I admire socialist leaders of the past. But while I can myself live in a collective (like a kibbutz or the aforementioned house), I simply cannot envision a need for a free mobile phone as part of the socialist ideal.

I want to add that I do have a problem with social welfare. Karl Marx said "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" and I happen to think that the first part of that motto is as important as the second, if you want a real socialism.

Most modern socialists seem to read Marx' statement as "from those dumb enough to work to those clever enough to take".

Modern socialism is as much a caricature of authentic socialism as the capitalism today's socialists want to perceive is a caricature of the real world.

No but what the plan actually does is allow a cellphone instead of a landline subsidy not both as some may have been lead to believe. The cost of the cellphone subsidy is the same as the landline subsidy. So lets put it all in context. If you are on welfare because you are disabled, elderly or a single mother (who may be able but still looking for work) is having a phone a luxury? It is unfortunate that others do manipulate the system but what do you do, refuse to help the truly needy because of it?