He Is The Prototype of Our Faith Today
Published on April 30, 2010 By KFC Kickin For Christ In Religion

I want to tell you a true story.  It's ancient history now but it's a beautiful story of God's love for all mankind.  God looked down, saw a mess and knew something had to be done to reconcile us to Him saving us from what would be a terrible end otherwise. 

It all starts with a man called Abraham.  Years after the events of the original story James wrote this: 

"Was not Abraham, our father, justified by works when he offered Isaac his son upon the altar?  See how faith is wrought with his works and by works was faith made perfect?  And the scripture was fulfilled which said "Abraham believed God and it was imputed to him for righteousness and he was called the Friend of God."  James 2:21-23

The key here is "the scripture was fulfilled."  Normally we know that prophecy is something that is uttered either orally or written down, and after some period of time, later seen. 

Here we're talking about scripture that was given to Abraham.  James is saying what was spoken to Abraham was later fulfilled.  "Abraham believed God and it was imputed to him for righteousness." 

In Genesis 12:1-3 where it all began, we can read about the call of Abraham.  He was told to get out of Ur of the Chaldees which we know is the old name for Iraq.   Hebrews 11:8 tells us that when he was called, he obeyed even though he had no idea where he was going. It was by faith he did this. 

This was no easy feat.  In Joshua 24 we read that Abraham's father's background was idolatry.  Abraham was born a Gentile and declared a Jew.  The Jewish nation would be born from this man.  He was called out of idolatry.  Nothing about his circumstances can explain why he did what he did.  Faith is able to accomplish what circumstances cannot do.  It was not easy to walk away from your clan, your gods, and your way of life.  Something was unusual here.

He was 75 years old when he responded to the call of God.  He was a senior citizen.  Later in Chapter 15 of Genesis which is the most important chapter in the life of Abraham we can see he's a few years older.  We're not sure how much but it's under 10 years because the chronological marker in 16 tells us it was 10 years after his initial call.  In this very important chapter we read this:

"And He (God) brought him forth abroad and said, Look now toward heaven and tell the stars, if you are able to number them and he said to him, So shall your seed be.  And he (Abraham) believed in the Lord and he counted it to him for righteousness."  15:5,6.

This is exactly what James wrote about.  Many believe that Abraham did something to earn this but all he did was believe the promise that the Lord had given him.  Simple belief made him right with God.  It's so simple yet all the religions of the world have told us for centuries we must earn our way into God's good graces.  Not true. 

Abraham was justified by faith.  Paul later made it quite clear that Abraham's salvation was made on this night.  He is justified in Chapter 15 not in Chapter 12  when he left Ur.  We know Abraham left Ur by faith but there are different types of faith.  Abraham, in Chapter 12, is exercising legitimate, genuine faith when he left Ur.  But it is not soul saving faith.  God said to him "follow me and I will show you a land."  He believed it and trusted it would happen but in Chapter 15 it says he believed in the Lord and "was counted to him for righteousness." 

In 1 John 5:13, John wrote something similar to the Christians when he penned this:

"These things have I writeen to you that believe on the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life and that you may believe on the name of the Son of God." 

Simple belief. Soul saving belief.  How complicated the religions of the world make things.

It's one thing to say I believe in Jesus and quite another to believe in his death, burial and resurrection and understand how it means for our salvation.  Saving faith is when one goes to the Savior at the cross and knows he died for them.  God communicates truth to us when we respond.  As we respond to truth, he gives us more light.  God called Abraham by faith.  Abraham responded.  He reached out in faith to God of the promise.  He did not give a performance to earn his salvation. 

Many years passed by and Abraham, not having the benefit of scriptures like we do thought he needed to help God out a bit so he and his wife came up with an idea.  They brought in their handmaiden and she conceived a child.  Of course this was not the child of promise.  This was their idea not God's.  We see here that Abraham was 86 years old (Gen 16:16). It wouldn't be until another 11 years later that God gave the covenant of circumcision (Chap 17)  and even later that the child of promise to be born. 

Later in the book of Romans, Paul said there was a very clear reason why God did it this way.  The only thing that declared his justification was his faith.  Paul asks in Romans 4 "what does circumsion have to do with Abraham's salvation?"  Nothing.  It's simply a symbol or token of his faith already possessed. 

Now Abraham's guilt over his handmaiden Hagar immediately comes to the surface.  He is so excited about the promise he thinks about his son Ishmael, desiring a plan for him too. 

God is specific.  Sarah will have a son.  His name is to be Isaac. God's covenant will be established with Isaac. 

Then comes one of the most beloved chapters in the book of Genesis.  Chapter 22. This is when Abraham would offer Isaac up to God as a sacrifice.  Keep in mind the culture back then.   We don't know how old Isaac is, but we can listen to the dialogue between the two and understand he's at least a boy if not a young man. 

They woke up early in the morning to make this trip up the mountain.  We see no questioning; no challenge to God's request of Abraham for this to be done.  Abraham once again responded clearly in faith.  The writer in Hebrews tells us Abraham's thought process giving us more info.  He lifted the knife but in his mind he knew God would raise his son back to life, because before they went up the mountain, Abraham said "we will be back." 

This is the faith process.  Same thing we have to go thru when we exercise faith today.  Abraham clearly understood what God said in Genesis 17.  He heard and believed God would do what he said about how numerous his seed would be through Isaac.  Abraham faced a dilemma of faith.  A paradox was before him.  He must have questioned himself by thinking "how do I reconcile killing my son, the son of promise, and the promises of God that were to come from Isaac?"  His seed would be multiplied thru Isaac and how could this be if he were dead?

He came to the conclusion "I can't reconcile this but God can."  As he looked up, knife in hand, he saw a ram caught in a thicket.  This ram never entered his mind.  In his mind he saw, according to the writer of Hebrews, Isaac dying in sacrifice, then his beloved son would be raised from the dead.  God in his mercy withheld Isaac being sacrificed yet later God did not withold his only beloved Son dying for us. God provided a substitute for Abraham in the meantime.  It was like God was saying, "no Abraham, not your son, but mine.  I will do it. 

Circumstances are God's problem.  My responsibiilty is to do what God tells me to do.  How many times do we look at our own circumstances and don't do what God would have us to do?

It's all about FAITH.  This is the reason Abraham is our spiritual father.  He was a great example to all of us, not  just the Jews. 

Simple faith.  Same faith.  Soul saving faith. 

 

  

 

 


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on Jul 07, 2010

The only words that are totally explanatory of what Jesus meant by his words are those that Jesus explained himself.

Then you don't believe that God wrote the entire OT and NT?  This book is not of human origin that is clear by the simple reading of it.  God used human instruments in the writing of it but the author is solely divine.  I've read many many books but this is the only book that reads me. 

If John said that Jesus said that he was YHWH, where is the corroboration for such a statement? None of the other apostles say such a thing.

Yes, they did but remember each gospel was intended for a specific audience.  Matthew wrote with a Jewish audience in mind, Mark to the Romans, Luke to a Gentile audience and John spoke to those who would believe.  John's gospel was a bit different in that he spoke more about the deity of Christ than the others but that doesn't mean Christ didn't say he wasn't God.  The gospels are pretty clear that this man was God...and the Son of God.  He was both. 

So now you're picking and choosing?  You don't like what John put in his gospel because it goes against your man-made idea? 

He was not God, he was the son of God. He says this very clearly all throughout scripture.

Where does it say he was NOT God? 

I can show you clearly where he says (with his own words) He is including the scripture I gave above. 

 

 

on Jul 07, 2010

We can not see heaven, and even Jesus told us that we can't. Ever wonder why?

show me what you're referring and I'll answer this. 

The Word is God and the Christ was God in the flesh.

Exactly and this is where Lula and I are in complete agreement. 

"No man hath seen God at any time". Is that right? And just what pray tell would you call Adam? A monkey? Or how about Hennoch? He who walked with God and was seen no more?

I walk with God.  Moses walked with God.  David walked with God, Paul walked with God but they never saw God up close and personal.  Moses came the closest or maybe Adam..hard to say between the two of them.  No man can in the flesh be able to live and see God.  It's sort of like taking a toaster and hooking it up to a nuclear power plant.  The power would be too much for the toaster and it would explode.  That's what it would be like for us to see God in the flesh.  Too much!!! 

Jesus came cloaked in human flesh.  He was God in the flesh.  Remember God is spirit.  They saw God in the flesh, not in his divine glorious spirit. 

John 8:21-30

This is amazing and the scripture I'm teaching on tomorrow and what I studied in depth today.  I've heard this scripture at least 10 times this week thru different avenues. 

When it says "many believed on him" did you know it wasn't a saving belief?  We see it said many times that "many believed" on him" only to see they were convinced but not converted.  Keep reading the chapter and you'll see the end of the story.  They were relying on their heritage and religion.  So when it came down to it, they would rather choose Abraham than Christ thinking that Abraham was their father and they would rather follow Abraham than Christ. 

Strange isn't it, how Jesus always refers to God in the second person and not as himself? How he always refers to God as being his father, as being always with him, because he does the things that are pleasing to him.

Remember Jesus came cloaked in humility.  He came as the son of man, which is His favorite title for himself.  Why?  Because that linked him to the earth and his mission.  He came to die for the world.  He showed himself to three disciples.  John, James and Peter on the Mount called the Mount of Transfiguration. When they saw him unveiled in all his glory they immediately bowed down and worshipped Him as God as we all will do. 

He didn't walk around as God but as a humble servant.  He came as a wonderful example of servant leadership. 

Unless Jesus himself says that he is God (and Jesus doesn't say so anywhere in scripture), than anything else said otherwise about him by anyone else is based on conjecture and not fact.

"Before Abraham was I AM"   John 8:58.

Didn't I ask you once if you were a JW?  Because you speak as one.  They don't believe Jesus is God either and when I brought one of them to this scripture she was speechless.  She had nothing to say.  Why?  Because it's a clear declaration.  He's claiming to be God.  The proof shows itself in the very next verse when they took up stones to kill him for blasphemy.  They knew what He was claiming and that was punishable by stoning. 

That is telling everyone that He is GOD.  This is the clearest declaration of all.  Not to mention the hundreds of other implied sayings of Christ; not including all that he did showing the world who He really was and where HE came from. 

John ,though he was an apostle of Jesus's, did not understand everything that he was taught. He was a man and being such was prone to misunderstanding the words and intentions of others just as we all are. This holds true for the other apostles as well. They were quite often puzzled by Jesus's words, so much so that Jesus had to explain their meaning to them.

This is true before the comforter came.  But afterwards they had complete understanding. They got it after the resurrection.  They understood that Jesus is God.   The gospels were written under the direction of the Holy Spirit and the words we read today are truth.  You can take it or leave it but that doesn't undermine what it really is. 

 

 

on Jul 07, 2010

If I am picking and choosing KFC, then quote me the scripture in which Jesus himself says that he is God.   Jesus never refers to himself as such, but always as being the son and God as being his "father".  If you can't quote to me such a passage as I asked then perhaps it's you that should read scripture again and without the knowledge that others have given you as to it's meaning.

No. God did not write the bible, man did.  He may have been inspired to write of his knowledge, and his experiences but other than a few chapters, Revelation being one of them, he was not instructed by God to write anything.  And the apostles were definately never instructed by Jesus to write anything either.  They wrote because they wanted to do so and for no other reason.  Jesus instructed them to TELL, not write, of his life and what they witnessed, he did not tell them to decipher the meanings of his words, only to repeat them.  They were to be witnesses only! 

on Jul 08, 2010

Yes, Jesus was the witness. He showed through his own actions and his own life that God the father can be totally relied upon for providing everything that was necessary for his life. He showed what that kind of life and faith, can do for man, by living it himself.

All very true.

Jesus the Christ is God. Jesus was a witness to Himself.

No where in scripture does Jesus ever refer to himself as being "God".

How about one of Jesus' chosen Apostles who called Him God and Jesus accepted being called God and the adoration? 

I'm referring to St.Thomas. We read about him in St. John's Gospel. When Jesus spoke of returning to Judea, St.Thomas was ready to go and "die with Him." 11:7-16 and from that we see that he was a loyal and sincerely devoted follower.

During Jesus' last discourse, St. Thomas failed to understand Christ's words about His ultimate destination and the way to it. St.Thomas' question evoked this reply from Jesus, "I AM the Way, the Truth, and the LIfe; no one comes to the Father but by Me. IF you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; henceforth you know Him and have seen Him."

Note the highlighted part....keep in mind that here Jesus is telling St.Thomas that since he knows and has seen Jesus he therefore is seeing God the Father.

Finally, we come to what St. Thomas is most widely known for...being the original "doubting Thomas". In 20:19-29, St.Thomas demands tangible and precise proof before believing in Christ's Resurrection. Jesus lovingly complied and allowed St. Thomas to touch the wound on His side. And at that moment, St.Thomas exclaimed, "My Lord and My God".

And so the doubting Apostle was changed into a witness of the Truth of the Resurrection.

St.Thomas' reply, "My L:ord and My God"  is not only an assertion and an act of faith in the Divinity of Christ. It went beyond that for it gave the conclusion to St.John's Gospel, "Blessed are they who have not seen, and yet have believed." St.Thomas' lack of understanding and his doubt served to emphasize the deeper grasp of truth that was granted the Christian believer. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

on Jul 08, 2010

Again Lulapilgrim you give me a quote from an apostle, as proof.  I've said that many times the apostles were men with the understanding of men.  

Yes, after the resurection Jesus was like God, because he took the path to the tree of everlasting life, and he ate of it.  Do you not remember what the Lord God declared in Genesis 3:22 ?

"And he said: Behold Adam is become as one of us, knowing good and evil:  now, therefore, lest perhaps he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever."  Then the Lord God did the following"  Genesis 3:23-24    "And the Lord God sent him out of the paradise of pleasure, to till the earth from which he was taken.  And he cast out Adam; and placed before the paradise of pleasure Cherubims, and a flaming sword, turn every way, to keep the way fo the tree of life."

Yes, Thomas would have been right in calling Jesus that "my lord and my God" after his death.  And Jesus would have known what was going to happen to hiim after he died.  In order to reach out and take of the tree of life and live for ever, one must become as God.  Becoming as God is not the same as being God.  Apparently there are several "Lord Gods" that exist, other wise the Lord God would not have said "Adam is beome as one of US."  The word "US" is definately plural, not singular.

on Jul 08, 2010

Again Lulapilgrim you give me a quote from an apostle, as proof. I've said that many times the apostles were men with the understanding of men.

Yes, this is St.John's account of St.Thomas, but what you seem to ignore is the fact that St.Thomas was speaking directly to Jesus calling Jesus " My Lord and my God". If Jesus was not God would He have allowed St. Thomas to say such a thing? Of course not.

Verse 28 is "Thomas answered Him, "My Lord and My God". 29 Jesus said to him, have you believed because you have seen Me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe."

Now, linking this back to faith, St. Paul taught "faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things unseen." And it becomes clear that faith has to do with things which are not seen, for those which are seen are no longer the subject of faith, but rather of experience. So why is St.Thomas told when he saw and touched Jesus' wounds "becasue you have seen, you have believed."Becasue he saw one thing, (the Man, Jesus) and believed another thing (that Jesus is God). 

It's certain that mortal man cannot see Divinity. But in the case of St.Thomas, he saw the Man, Jesus, and recognized Him as God, saying "My Lord and my God". And Jesus allowed him to say this.

In conclusion: seeing, he believed, becasue contemplating that real man he exclaimed that He was God, whom he could not see.

 

 

 

on Jul 08, 2010

Yes, after the resurection Jesus was like God, because he took the path to the tree of everlasting life, and he ate of it.

JESUS IS THE LORD GOD.

JESUS IS THE PATH to life...Remember He said,  "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life"?

JESUS IS THE TREE OF LIFE....remember He said, "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life"?

Becoming as God is not the same as being God..

True for us, but not for Jesus as He is God..He always was God and He always will be God.

  Apparently there are several "Lord Gods" that exist, other wise the Lord God would not have said "Adam is beome as one of US." The word "US" is definately plural, not singular.

No, apparently not.....in Scripture, threre is only one God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Yes, the word "us" is plural and when "us" is used in Genesis, it denotes the plural number, that is, to insinuate the plurality of Persons in the one true Lord God.

In God there are Three Divine Persons. The First Person is called God the Father, the Second, God the Son, and the Third, God the Holy Spirit. Each one of these Persons is God, not three gods. They are only one and the same God.

 

on Jul 08, 2010

Revelation being one of them, he was not instructed by God to write anything.

and they weren't NOT instructed NOT to either.  You're trying to make a claim using non evidence. 

Jesus instructed them to TELL, not write, of his life and what they witnessed, he did not tell them to decipher the meanings of his words, only to repeat them. They were to be witnesses only!

What are you saying?  A witness couldn't write down what he saw?  Telling doesn't involve writing? Since when?  How else could they perserve their witness?  What's the quickest most effective way of telling?  They were not going to live for ever.  The only way to preserve this was to write it down. 

Where does it say they were NOT to write?   This is just nonesense talk Whisper. 

What are you trying to say?  What is your point?  Trying to debunk the word of God?  That's what it sounds like and sorry to say but that's just is coming from the pit of hell.  Of course this has been Satan's main trick from the beginning to get people to doubt the word of God.  Right from the get go. 

In fact Jesus made it clear by reading the OT scriptures in the temple more than once not to mention quoting from the writers of the OT that it was a good thing to have things written down.  He pretty much validated every single OT book.  You might want to read Luke 4.  Here's a few other scriptures to ponder. 

"Blessed is he that reads and they that hear the words of this prophecy and keep those things which are written therein"...Rev 1:3

"Behold I come quickly, blessed is he that keeps the sayings of the prophecy of this book."   Rev 22:7 (Jesus said this)

"and He (Jesus) said to me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book for the time is at hand"   22:10

How about the angel in Daniel who told Daniel this:

"But you O Daniel shut up the words and seal the book even to the time of the end; many shall run to and fro and knowledge shall be increased."  12:4

"And that from a child thou has known the holy scriptures which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.  All scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine for reproof for correction for instruction in righteousness."  2 Timothy 3:15-16

"Knowing this first that no prophecy of the scripture is of any prive interpretation for the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.  2 Peter 1:20-21

 

 

 

 

 

on Jul 08, 2010

Again Lulapilgrim you give me a quote from an apostle, as proof. I've said that many times the apostles were men with the understanding of men.

Lula gave you a good scripture with Thomas.  Are you forever learning Whisper without coming to the knowledge of the truth?  Did you not read yourself the reply of Jesus back to this disciple?  When Thomas WORSHIPPED Jesus as God what was Jesus' reply?  Did Jesus tell him to get up because he wasn't God?  Did he tell him that was inappropriate? 

Say NO Whisper.    Jesus said this:

"Thomas, because you have seen me you have believed. blessed are they that have not seen and yet have beleived."  John 20:29.

You have to ask yourself Whisper, Believe what?  Go back to v28 and read what Thomas said:

"MY LORD AND MY GOD."

That's what Jesus was commending Thomas for believing.  Thomas finally believed that Jesus was God.  This is very simple if you're really a seeker as you claim to be.  Otherwise you are listening to someone that is deceiving you. 

Now YOU, Whisper, have no excuse.  You will NOT be found faultless when you meet your maker.   Who do you say that Jesus IS? 

If you can't quote to me such a passage as I asked then perhaps it's you that should read scripture again and without the knowledge that others have given you as to it's meaning.

I've been reading and studying the scriptures for almost 40 years Whisper.  Please don't talk down to me. 

If I am picking and choosing KFC, then quote me the scripture in which Jesus himself says that he is God.

I did.  Are you NOT reading what I'm writing?   Did you not read my comment in #47?  I gave you a very clear declaration from the lips of Jesus himself. 

 

on Jul 08, 2010

Sorry lulapilgrim, I simply don't see it your way. no matter how many "IS's" you put in it.  I still do not think/know that Jesus is God personaified.  I have my own experiences that tell me otherwise.

I don't see insinuations in the bible.  I read it word for word, and I don't assume that anything means anything other than what it says.  While you may insinuate, those that read that text long before the coming of the son of God, did not assume that there was a different explanation and I don't either.  You can say that the word "us" is menat to mean that God is several different things/beings, but that doesn't make it so.  Until you can quote me a passage by Jesus that says otherwise, then I must assume that you are assuming.

Yes, KFC, I did read it and the gospel of Thomas as well. I gave my explanation of the words of Thomas, did you read it?   Did you learn anything? 

on Jul 08, 2010

BTW KFXC, I didn't come here to be converted by you.  I came here to hear the understandings of others including yourself.  If you are laboring under the assumption that I am here to convert to your way of understanding, you are in for a big suprise.

on Jul 08, 2010

What do I have to believe in.......not your interpretation, but that the only path to ever lasting life is that path that Jesus took.  He was the way, because he showed mankind by his path and obedience to God, what mankind must do to acheive ever lasting life.  I think that you are miissing the entire poiint of what Jesus did and gave to you, and it was not a free ride.

on Jul 08, 2010

I have my own experiences that tell me otherwise.

what experiences?  What and how are your experiences more important than what the Revealed Word of God says?  Don't you understand?  It's not about you.  It's supposed to be about HIM. 

Until you can quote me a passage by Jesus that says otherwise, then I must assume that you are assuming.

we both have been.  You're not listening.  Lula and I disagree on many things but we are both in agreement here because it's so clear.  It's like saying we both see the sky is blue and you're debating us because looking thru your brown lenses the sky appears copper so it must be copper.  You're going by your own experience instead of the truth, and in light of eternity you are making one very big mistake.  BUt again, if you are of the elect and are really searching you will find out the truth that Jesus is indeed who he said he was. 

BTW KFXC, I didn't come here to be converted by you.

it's not up to me to convert anyone.  Only God converts. I can only give an answer to those who ask.  I was told to spread the seed (word of God).  That's all I do.  The Holy Spirit gives the increase.  Only the Holy Spirit waters what's been sowed.  My hands are tied there. 

Yes, KFC, I did read it and the gospel of Thomas as well. I gave my explanation of the words of Thomas, did you read it? Did you learn anything?

The gospel of Thomas is not an inspired book. 

on Jul 08, 2010

not your interpretation, but that the only path to ever lasting life is that path that Jesus took.

you're not taking the path that Jesus took.  You're not even in the same territory from what you're writing here.  You're going more by your experiences than you are HIS WORD. 

 You don't believe in the essentials.  That's what Jesus told the people in John 8.  He said three times..you will die in your sins because they would not believe that He was YHWH.  They didn't have the very basic thing but they thought they were ok.  It was a hard warning of the consequences that was sure to come their way as a result of their belief system. 

I'll be in prayer for you Whisper. 

 

on Jul 08, 2010

Whisper2 posts:

I came here to hear the understandings of others including yourself.

Yes, you've said this before and so I'm willing to take this at face value and no more than that. At the same time, should KFC or I write something that makes you want to delve more closely, then all the better all around.

KFC posts:

Are you forever learning Whisper without coming to the knowledge of the truth?

KFC,

I just can't help but think we have such an advantage precisely because of our Faith, while Whisper2 has already acknowledged (either in this blog or the other one) that he operates on proof not faith.

You don't believe in the essentials.

Exactly. And here is one biggy....

 Whisper2 posts:

Why do I insist that Jesus is not God?. Because he wasn't. He was the son, he said so many times throughout scripture.

This is a form of Arianism...they believed in the historical Jesus, but not the whole Jesus. Jesus of the Scriptures is definitely God, but it takes Divine Faith to believe that...something Whisper2 says he doesn't have.....(yet????) 

 

I'll be in prayer for you Whisper.

Oh, ya, me too! But then again, I pray for all my JUser "family". 

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