He Is The Prototype of Our Faith Today
Published on April 30, 2010 By KFC Kickin For Christ In Religion

I want to tell you a true story.  It's ancient history now but it's a beautiful story of God's love for all mankind.  God looked down, saw a mess and knew something had to be done to reconcile us to Him saving us from what would be a terrible end otherwise. 

It all starts with a man called Abraham.  Years after the events of the original story James wrote this: 

"Was not Abraham, our father, justified by works when he offered Isaac his son upon the altar?  See how faith is wrought with his works and by works was faith made perfect?  And the scripture was fulfilled which said "Abraham believed God and it was imputed to him for righteousness and he was called the Friend of God."  James 2:21-23

The key here is "the scripture was fulfilled."  Normally we know that prophecy is something that is uttered either orally or written down, and after some period of time, later seen. 

Here we're talking about scripture that was given to Abraham.  James is saying what was spoken to Abraham was later fulfilled.  "Abraham believed God and it was imputed to him for righteousness." 

In Genesis 12:1-3 where it all began, we can read about the call of Abraham.  He was told to get out of Ur of the Chaldees which we know is the old name for Iraq.   Hebrews 11:8 tells us that when he was called, he obeyed even though he had no idea where he was going. It was by faith he did this. 

This was no easy feat.  In Joshua 24 we read that Abraham's father's background was idolatry.  Abraham was born a Gentile and declared a Jew.  The Jewish nation would be born from this man.  He was called out of idolatry.  Nothing about his circumstances can explain why he did what he did.  Faith is able to accomplish what circumstances cannot do.  It was not easy to walk away from your clan, your gods, and your way of life.  Something was unusual here.

He was 75 years old when he responded to the call of God.  He was a senior citizen.  Later in Chapter 15 of Genesis which is the most important chapter in the life of Abraham we can see he's a few years older.  We're not sure how much but it's under 10 years because the chronological marker in 16 tells us it was 10 years after his initial call.  In this very important chapter we read this:

"And He (God) brought him forth abroad and said, Look now toward heaven and tell the stars, if you are able to number them and he said to him, So shall your seed be.  And he (Abraham) believed in the Lord and he counted it to him for righteousness."  15:5,6.

This is exactly what James wrote about.  Many believe that Abraham did something to earn this but all he did was believe the promise that the Lord had given him.  Simple belief made him right with God.  It's so simple yet all the religions of the world have told us for centuries we must earn our way into God's good graces.  Not true. 

Abraham was justified by faith.  Paul later made it quite clear that Abraham's salvation was made on this night.  He is justified in Chapter 15 not in Chapter 12  when he left Ur.  We know Abraham left Ur by faith but there are different types of faith.  Abraham, in Chapter 12, is exercising legitimate, genuine faith when he left Ur.  But it is not soul saving faith.  God said to him "follow me and I will show you a land."  He believed it and trusted it would happen but in Chapter 15 it says he believed in the Lord and "was counted to him for righteousness." 

In 1 John 5:13, John wrote something similar to the Christians when he penned this:

"These things have I writeen to you that believe on the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life and that you may believe on the name of the Son of God." 

Simple belief. Soul saving belief.  How complicated the religions of the world make things.

It's one thing to say I believe in Jesus and quite another to believe in his death, burial and resurrection and understand how it means for our salvation.  Saving faith is when one goes to the Savior at the cross and knows he died for them.  God communicates truth to us when we respond.  As we respond to truth, he gives us more light.  God called Abraham by faith.  Abraham responded.  He reached out in faith to God of the promise.  He did not give a performance to earn his salvation. 

Many years passed by and Abraham, not having the benefit of scriptures like we do thought he needed to help God out a bit so he and his wife came up with an idea.  They brought in their handmaiden and she conceived a child.  Of course this was not the child of promise.  This was their idea not God's.  We see here that Abraham was 86 years old (Gen 16:16). It wouldn't be until another 11 years later that God gave the covenant of circumcision (Chap 17)  and even later that the child of promise to be born. 

Later in the book of Romans, Paul said there was a very clear reason why God did it this way.  The only thing that declared his justification was his faith.  Paul asks in Romans 4 "what does circumsion have to do with Abraham's salvation?"  Nothing.  It's simply a symbol or token of his faith already possessed. 

Now Abraham's guilt over his handmaiden Hagar immediately comes to the surface.  He is so excited about the promise he thinks about his son Ishmael, desiring a plan for him too. 

God is specific.  Sarah will have a son.  His name is to be Isaac. God's covenant will be established with Isaac. 

Then comes one of the most beloved chapters in the book of Genesis.  Chapter 22. This is when Abraham would offer Isaac up to God as a sacrifice.  Keep in mind the culture back then.   We don't know how old Isaac is, but we can listen to the dialogue between the two and understand he's at least a boy if not a young man. 

They woke up early in the morning to make this trip up the mountain.  We see no questioning; no challenge to God's request of Abraham for this to be done.  Abraham once again responded clearly in faith.  The writer in Hebrews tells us Abraham's thought process giving us more info.  He lifted the knife but in his mind he knew God would raise his son back to life, because before they went up the mountain, Abraham said "we will be back." 

This is the faith process.  Same thing we have to go thru when we exercise faith today.  Abraham clearly understood what God said in Genesis 17.  He heard and believed God would do what he said about how numerous his seed would be through Isaac.  Abraham faced a dilemma of faith.  A paradox was before him.  He must have questioned himself by thinking "how do I reconcile killing my son, the son of promise, and the promises of God that were to come from Isaac?"  His seed would be multiplied thru Isaac and how could this be if he were dead?

He came to the conclusion "I can't reconcile this but God can."  As he looked up, knife in hand, he saw a ram caught in a thicket.  This ram never entered his mind.  In his mind he saw, according to the writer of Hebrews, Isaac dying in sacrifice, then his beloved son would be raised from the dead.  God in his mercy withheld Isaac being sacrificed yet later God did not withold his only beloved Son dying for us. God provided a substitute for Abraham in the meantime.  It was like God was saying, "no Abraham, not your son, but mine.  I will do it. 

Circumstances are God's problem.  My responsibiilty is to do what God tells me to do.  How many times do we look at our own circumstances and don't do what God would have us to do?

It's all about FAITH.  This is the reason Abraham is our spiritual father.  He was a great example to all of us, not  just the Jews. 

Simple faith.  Same faith.  Soul saving faith. 

 

  

 

 


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on Jun 21, 2010

Are you saying that the church was left behind to "teach us"?  According to my understanding it was the disciples that Jesus was speaking to, not the church, and most specifically the disciple Peter, who according to scripture possessed the keys to the kingdom, and to whom Jesus commanded several times to return and minister to his flock.  I don't see how the church can guarantee the truthfulness of Paul's words, since Paul was the principle founder of the church.   I know that the first Pope was proclaimed by the church to be Peter, but I highly doubt the validity of those words.  There was no RCC during Peters time, and most of the canon is written by Paul himself.  It is Paul who declared himself apostle even if he said that he was the least of them.   It was Peter who resisted Paul's declarations at first and then gave into the pressure put upon him by others and accepted him.   I am of the opinion that Peter should have stuck to his first assessment of the man. 

on Jun 21, 2010

The bible that is accepted today was chosen by men, not God.  Much of the scripture that existed at that time was eliminated as not being suitable to be included.  The church thinks that those texts are lost, and for the time being they are not to be found, however the church it's self elludes to their existance in papers where these texts were banned from being read by christians.  The church it seems, rules with an iron fist.

I do not feel that the bible needs any church appoiinted interpretor to explain  it for others.  It is very clear and specific about the path that needs to be taken in order to understand it for ones self.   It seems that the church guards it's power well by trying to keep it's meanings to itself.  If man knew how to understand scripture by taking the necessary steps for himself, the church would no longer have a reason to exist. 

on Jun 22, 2010

Are you saying that the church was left behind to "teach us"?

Not left behind. History, religious and non-religious as well as Sacred Scripture proves that Jesus Christ founded a Church in 33AD on the foundation rock of St. Peter and the other Apostles. Our Lord said to them, "All power in Heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commended you...and behold I am with you all days, even unto the consummation of the world." In 107, the Church Christ estalished was called "catholic" by St. Ignatious.

The only Church in existence from the days of Christ through today and will be until the end of the world that has an unbroken line of Popes from St.Peter is the Catholic Church.

That's why I said God didn't intend that Scripture be our rule of faith. Rather, God intended our rule of faith to be the living voice of the teaching Church. Scripture is clear the Apostles and their successors as per the Book of Acts, have always taught especially by preaching. That's the way the Chruch fulfills Christ's command and will fulfill it until the end of the world as He promised. If our Lord wanted the Bible to be the sole rule of faith He would have written a book instead of founding the Church.

According to my understanding it was the disciples that Jesus was speaking to, not the church, and most specifically the disciple Peter, who according to scripture possessed the keys to the kingdom, and to whom Jesus commanded several times to return and minister to his flock.

The Apostles made up the foundaton of the Church with Christ's as its Eternal Head. After teaching publicly what He required all to believe and practice, thereby announing all the main doctrines of His Church, Christ gathered a number of disciples of which He chose the Twelve to whom He gave special training and instruction. 

We know that Christ gave St.Peter the keys to the kingdom.....The term " kingdom" by which OUr Lord used to refer to His Church implies organized authority. And He said to the special men He had chosen, "You have not chosen Me, but I have chosen you." He didn't teach the Apostles and other disciples for themselves alone, but to be the foundation of His Church. After all, God didn't come to save only a few disciples but in order to lead all men to eternal salvation.

I don't see how the church can guarantee the truthfulness of Paul's words, since Paul was the principle founder of the church.

There is no doubt that St.Paul through his years of missionary work was very active in building up the Church, but that is not to say he was the principle founder. Christ was the Founder and on Simon whose name Christ changed to Peter, Christ promised to build His Church. And He did. Christ is the Eternal Head and He appointed St.Peter the visible head. After the resurrection, He confirmed St.Peter's authority over the Chruch when He said to him, "Feed My lambs; feed My sheep."

know that the first Pope was proclaimed by the church to be Peter, but I highly doubt the validity of those words. There was no RCC during Peters time,

 

St.Peter was the first head. After a miraculous escape from prison in Jerusalem, he founded his See in Antioch and here the followers of Christ were first called "Christians". St.Peter made frequesnt missionary journeys through Judea, Samaria, galilee, Asia Minor and probably even Greece. He finally fixed his See at Rome. In Acts, we read St.Peter presided at the Council of the Apostles at Jerusalem in 50AD, and the decisions that were made were by the guidance of the HOly Spirit.

At the same time St.Paul was beheaded, St.Peter was crucified head downwards on Vatican Hill, Rome in 67AD.  

 

 

on Jun 23, 2010

Why do you say that Christ founded a church? No where have I read that he did.

St.Matthew 16:18 tells us Jesus said to Simon Bar-Jona, "And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My Church and the powers of Hell will not prevail against it."  

Peter supposedly did (you are the rock upon which my church shall be built), but Jesus's prediction of that doesn't necessarily mean that he approved of it nor that he wanted it to happen.

Jesus said that He will build His Church and promised Hell would not prevail against it.....Jesus is God and He can neither deceive or be deceived.

 

on Jun 23, 2010

Christ worshipped in temple and specifically called it "my fathers house". It would seem odd that Jesus would call it that and then instuct his apostles to build another house for his father. Which by the way, I've not read anywhere in the bible that those instructions were ever given.

God gave His true religion to mankind gradually so that we would be prepared by more simple doctrines for still more noble truths. He sent Moses the lawgiver and after him a series of prophets to explain the law and predict the coming of the Messias Christ. Christ fulfilled these predictions. So, yes, Christ practiced the Jewish religion in the Temple, His father's house. Absolutely. 

But the religion known by the Jews before Christ was therefore imperfect and preparatory and that's why Jesus taught the more perfect law of God. The religion of Christ was its perfect fulfillment and the Jews should have recognized and accepted it and some did but most did not.  Then Christ sent His Apostles and disciples to preach it to the Gentiles. Christ didn't establish another religion. Christianity is the perfect development of ancient Hebraic Judaism just as the perfect tree is the perfect development of the seed from which it grew.

Referring to the future, Christ said, "I will build My Chruch." The Temple and the synagague was already established when He said He would found His Church upon the foundation of St.Peter. Christ prescribed new doctrines, New Covenant worship and a new form of religious authority. He even predicted to His Apostles, "in the Synagogue you shall be beaten." St.Mark 13:9. The indended distinction of His Church (of which God is present in the Tabernacle) from the Temple and Synagogue is most clear.

At the same time, it should not go unnoticed to someone who is searching for Truth Who is God, that at the moment of Christ's death on the Cross, the Temple Veil was rent in two from top to bottom and in 70AD, the Temple was totally destroyed every stone.  Almighty God was telling us something. The beginning of the New Covenant in the Blood of the Savior meant the end of the Old Covenant religion.   

on Jun 23, 2010

Telling them to go forth and make disciples of all men is not indicative of the founding of a new religion or a new church.  The disciples were Jewish, Jesus did not change their religion during or after his lifetime and neither did they.  St. Peter though said and named to be the first pope was not historically the founder of the RCC.  There was no RCC prior to his death in Rome.  The church came long after that event.  Peter's name and authority were more or less highjacked.  Those are historical facts and church folk lore or doctrine can not change them.

The book of Acts was written by men.  They were not Godly ordered nor were they written by God.  According to scripture Jesus did not instruct them to write one either.  They are stories written by men regarding  their own accomplishments during their lifetime.  Upon reading them, I see self ego boosting with just enough of of Jesus and prior scripture thrown in to make them appear God given and validated.  That is of course my opinion and I understand that it is not yours.  However I read with an unprejudiced eye since I owe no loyalty to any religion and am not looking to validate one either.  In other words, I have no dog in this fight.   You do.l

Regarding the statment in St. Matthew that you quoted as being an instruction to Peter to build Jesus's church, I am absolutley positive that either the word that Jesus used was "temple" or "teachings" and not church.  Jesus would not have used a word that his disciples did not know, and if he had, they'd have questioned him about it's meaning.  They do not.  I am pretty sure that that is a word entered into scripture by it's founders to validate it's own authority.    As I said before Peter did  not ever found a church any church, he did teach of the knowledge given and showed to him by Jesus, but he never ever founded the RCC.   The fact that his name and authority were highjacked is not historical proof.  Historical proof shows otherwise.

 

Jesus is not god nor at anytime does he say or refer to himself as such.  He does refer to himself and the "son of God" many times however and refers to God as being his father.  You can not rewrite scripture to suit your's or the RCC's own purposes.  If Jesus says he is God then show me the scripture in which he does.  If you can not show me, then your statement is false.

on Jun 23, 2010

Telling them to go forth and make disciples of all men is not indicative of the founding of a new religion or a new church.

Christ said, "As the Father has sent Me, I also send you." Christ breathed on the Apostles ordaining them as His first priests. The Apostles were the first bishops of Christ's new fledgling Church. They first preached in Judea on the very first Christian Pentecost. Then they dispersed throughout the different countries of the then known world. Everywhere they preached, baptized and ruled the Christian communities that make up "the Church". Those Jews who were baptized became Christians, Whisper2. By their baptism in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, they are made part of the body of the Church. Scripture tells us thousands upon thousands were baptized.

 

 

The disciples were Jewish, Jesus did not change their religion during or after his lifetime and neither did they.

Of course they did...they all converted...why do you think the Jews who did not convert  expelled from the Synagogue? Why were they all martyred.....becasue they were witnessing to Christ and spreading His one true Christian Faith, that's why.

 

 

on Jun 23, 2010

As I said before Peter did not ever found a church any church, he did teach of the knowledge given and showed to him by Jesus, but he never ever founded the RCC.

Correct St.Peter did not found the CC. Christ did. Christ said, I will build My Church. Christ made St.Peter his first head of His Church. Over 2,000 years of History itself proves this is true. 

The book of Acts was written by men. They were not Godly ordered nor were they written by God. ...... Upon reading them, I see self ego boosting with just enough of of Jesus and prior scripture thrown in to make them appear God given and validated. That is of course my opinion and I understand that it is not yours. However I read with an unprejudiced eye since I owe no loyalty to any religion and am not looking to validate one either. In other words, I have no dog in this fight. You do.l

God is Truth. God's true Church and religion and the practice of it is about Truth.

Life is a battle between good and evil, and you do have a "dog in this fight". Every one does.

Christ said, you are either with Me or against Me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

on Jun 24, 2010

Tell me where did you ever read that that the Christ breathed on the apostles and ordained them as priests?  Christ taught them and gave them hidden knowledge, but no where and I do mean no where, does it say that he told them that he would ordain them as priests.

Saying that "as the father has sent me, I also send you" doesn't mean that he made them priests in a new religion, but to gather the lost sheep of Israel, just as Jesus stated he had been sent to do.  Nor does baptism in the holy spirit and fire make them christians.  John the baptist, who was by the way of the jewish faith,  baptised with water but stated that another would come and baptise with fire and the holy spirit.  He did not indicate that this "other" would be of a new faith or of any faith at all other than of his own, since they were cousins, which was jewish.  Once more there were no "christian communities", there were jewish ones and following the teachings of Jesus is no indication of "christianity" since Jesus was jewish by birth, (he does attend temple you know), in spite of what you think.  Jesus did not say that he was sent to found a new religion, but once more,  to gather the lost sheep of Israel. No where Lulapilgrim can you find a statement other than Acts where it says that he did.  As I pointed out before, Acts, it seems, was written by men, apparently seeking authority and power for themselves, not by God.  The apostles were never instructed to write it either, not by God nor by the Christ.

Sorry but I don't have a dog in this fight.  I've gone looking for the truth without the influence of a religion, and I found it.  It is what makes the bible clear to me and allows me to recognize the truth, however the bible, the truth, and the texts therein do not belong to the RCC, they are the possession of all men who seek to know the truth.  Nor do I see that the RCC is the proper holder of the truth, but that strictly belonging to God alone.  The truth can be found without the RCC or any religion for that matter, all one needs is God.

on Jun 24, 2010

 

 

 

Jesus is not god nor at anytime does he say or refer to himself as such. He does refer to himself and the "son of God" many times however and refers to God as being his father. You can not rewrite scripture to suit your's or the RCC's own purposes. If Jesus says he is God then show me the scripture in which he does. If you can not show me, then your statement is false.

Again, keep in mind that life is a battle between good and evil. What we choose by our thoughts, words and actions determines our eternal life or eternal death. Almighty God told us to choose life in Deut. 30:15. Our Lord Jesus Christ told us He is the Way, the Truth and the Life...so we are to choose Jesus that we might have eternal life.

Your comments indicate you are picking and choosing which parts of Jesus you want to believe.

We know that at Jesus' trial, He was brought before the High Priest and Sanhedrin on the charge of blashphemy and condemened to death becasue He claimed to be "the Messias". Not "a Messias" as was Cyrus or every other prince and priest of Israel, but "the Messias". Jesus claimed to be "The Messianic Son of God" of which there can only be one. The Jews were eagerly awaiting "the Messias" that the prophets had predicted would come in exaclty the way, time and manner, place of birth, that Jesus did come. In short, they condemned Jesus for blasphemy because He claimed to be God.

Take St.John 4 and the story of the woman at the well who had heard the prophets. She said to Jesus, "I know the Messias is coming  and when He comes He will tell all things." To this Jesus replied, "I who speak to thee am He."    

One of the prophets who predicted "the Messias" who was to come was Isaias. To Isaias, God made known clearer than ever before that Christ is God Himself. 35:4, "God Himself will come and save you." In 7:14, Isaias called "the Messias Christ" the "Emmanuel, God with us."  and "God the Mighty."

So there is but one way we have that Jesus is God.

Also as per St.John 8:48-59.....in the story of the pre-existence of Jesus before Abraham, who died a thousand years before the following question was put to Jesus by the Jews. "thou art not yet 50 years old and hast thou seen Abraham?" The answer of Jesus was, "....before Abraham came to be, I AM," and for that they attempted to stone Him to death.

Do you know that the "I AM" is God's designation of Himself to Moses as per Exodus 3:14?

Also, Scripture details Christ's miracles ...miracles that only God could do. Christ caame into the world through a miracle....that of a Virgin Birth. Of course, the miracle of miracles is the Resurrection of Christ from the dead...this gives us incontrovertible proof of the Divinity of Christ.

And also, we have the say-so of Christ Himself. Over and over again, Christ claimed in the most positive way that the nature, titles, attributes and names of the Deity belong to Him. ONe is from St.John 10:30, " I and the Father are one."

"know that the son of man has power on earth to forgive sins". St.Matt. 9:6 and in St.John 20:23, He delegates His power to forgive sins to those to whom He breathes upon. 

 

 

on Jun 24, 2010

 

 

Christ said, "As the Father has sent Me, I also send you." Christ breathed on the Apostles ordaining them as His first priests. The Apostles were the first bishops of Christ's new fledgling Church.

Tell me where did you ever read that that the Christ breathed on the apostles and ordained them as priests? Christ taught them and gave them hidden knowledge, but no where and I do mean no where, does it say that he told them that he would ordain them as priests.

Christ is the Eternal High Priest according to the order of Melchisedech.When Chrhist breathed upon His Apostles He conferred the New Covenant priesthood upon them.

It is to this priesthood to whom He gave His power and authority.

As He had been sent, Christ sent the men He had chosen to go and preach and teach all of His doctrines He had taught. He snet them to all nations (even happening as I write this)...promising salvation to those that believe and threatened condemnation to those who refuse to believe. 

St.Mark 16:16, "He who believes and is baptized shall be saved, but he who does not believe shall be condemned."

God is Just and He wouldn't have threatened condemnation to unbelievers unless He had furnished the means whereby they could believe and participate as a member of Christ's Body...His Chruch is this means.

Not only did the Twelve men chosen by Christ have authority, He also gave them extraordinary powers...over unclean spirits casting them out, curing disease and the power to forgive sin, when He said, Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained." St.John 20:23.They also were given the power to rule when Christ said, "He who hears you, hears me and he who rejects you rejects me. St.Luke 10:16. And "whatever you bind on earth, shall be also bound in heaven and whatever you loose on earth shall also be loosed in Heaven."

Christ transferred His own mission to the Apostles and other disciples on the evening of the day on which He rose.

It would do you well to study St.John 20:19-31.

19 Now when it was late that same day, the first of the week, and the doors were shut,   where the disciples were gathered together, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in the midst, and said to them: Peace be to you. 20 And when he had said this, he shewed them his hands and his side. The disciples therefore were glad, when they saw the Lord.

21 He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you. 22 When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost. 23 Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained. 24 Now Thomas, one of the twelve, who is called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came. 25 The other disciples therefore said to him: We have seen the Lord. But he said to them: Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the place of the nails, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.

23 "Whose sins"... See here the commission, stamped by the broad seal of heaven, by virtue of which the pastors of Christ's church absolve repenting sinners upon their confession.

26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them. Jesus cometh, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said: Peace be to you. 27 Then he saith to Thomas: Put in thy finger hither, and see my hands; and bring hither thy hand, and put it into my side; and be not faithless, but believing. 28 Thomas answered, and said to him: My Lord, and my God. 29 Jesus saith to him: Because thou hast seen me, Thomas, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and have believed. 30 Many other signs also did Jesus in the sight of his disciples, which are not written in this book.

31 But these are written, that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God: and that believing, you may have life in his name.

 

 

 

on Jun 24, 2010

Saying that "as the father has sent me, I also send you" doesn't mean that he made them priests in a new religion, but to gather the lost sheep of Israel, just as Jesus stated he had been sent to do.

Well, read St.Matthew 28:16-20 again. 

This is when the Risen Christ, just before He ascended into Heaven, gave the Apostles His power and authority, sent them out to make disciples of all nations, by baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son and Holy SPirit, teaching them to observe all that He had commanded.

The mission began with them going to the Jews first and that's just exactly what they do...St.Peter preaches Christ and calls the Jews to repenting of their sins and convert to the new Faith of Christianity by being baptized.That day thousands of Jews became Christians and began praciticing Christianity. 

Here it is Christ Himself who gave the exact words of the rite of Baptism.

 

 

 

on Jun 24, 2010

Once more there were no "christian communities", there were jewish ones and following the teachings of Jesus is no indication of "christianity" since Jesus was jewish by birth, (he does attend temple you know), in spite of what you think. Jesus did not say that he was sent to found a new religion, but once more, to gather the lost sheep of Israel. No where Lulapilgrim can you find a statement other than Acts where it says that he did. As I pointed out before, Acts, it seems, was written by men, apparently seeking authority and power for themselves, not by God. The apostles were never instructed to write it either, not by God nor by the Christ.

Whether you agree or not, believe or not, the Book of Acts is indeed inspired of God and made part of the Holy Bible. 

Again, picking and choosing which part of the Sacred Scripture you believe as "true" is just an independent streak on your part. 

Sorry but I don't have a dog in this fight. I've gone looking for the truth without the influence of a religion, and I found it. It is what makes the bible clear to me and allows me to recognize the truth, however the bible, the truth, and the texts therein do not belong to the RCC, they are the possession of all men who seek to know the truth. Nor do I see that the RCC is the proper holder of the truth, but that strictly belonging to God alone. The truth can be found without the RCC or any religion for that matter, all one needs is God.

And this explains your independent streak and down on religion attitude.

There is but ONe God and there is but one Divinely revealed religion..that is biblical Judaism full-blossomed into Christianity.  This one true Religion is as necessary as the right course is necessary to good navigation.

 

on Jun 24, 2010

Lula,

what part of proselytizing the RCC on my blogsite don't you understand? 

How many times have I politely asked you NOT to do this? 

It's like you have this hammer and you're going to keep hammering away until we get knocked unconcious. 

You're just saying the same stuff over and over again..Peter and the Rock, baptism etc. 

There are thousands upon thousands of Catholics whose eyes have been opened to the truth and know these things are not true. I spoke to one yesterday.  She's an older woman who said she walked out of the RCC ignorant of knowing the real truth.  They all say that...including myself.

 I suggest you find a priest who left and sit down with him and discuss these things. 

 

on Jun 24, 2010

Faith KFC? Faith is simply belief without proof. Abraham had proof. God spoke to him, in a voice, that he heard, and he told him who he was, KFC. It was to Abrahan's credit that he knew and understood that the voice was telling him the truth. It is not as you put it, a matter of simple faith.

Yes, faith Whisper. Again, I'm not going on just my opinion here.

We don't know how God spoke to him.  God speaks to me in many ways.  How do I know he didn't speak to Abraham this same way?  God also speaks in dreams. 

How would Abraham know it was the truth in the midst of all the idolatry?  How would he know which god was the right one? It was only faith (forsaking all I trust him) that made him move. 

Besides Hebrews 11 is quite clear that it was faith that Abraham moved. 

"by faith Abraham when  he was called to go out into a place which he should after receiving for an inheritance obeyed and he went out not knowing wither he went." 

Like I've said before the bible is like a big puzzle.  You have to find the other pieces so it makes sense. 

 

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