Added Fuel To The Fire
Published on July 23, 2009 By KFC Kickin For Christ In Current Events

So what do you think about the Cambridge fiasco? Was this way overblown or what?  How about Obama's reaction?  Did you think his comments last night were divisive?   Should he have commented at all?  Some say he made a huge blunder in his getting involved, especially since he didn't have all the facts. 

By now everyone's heard the story about Professor Gates who was arrested for disorderly conduct and resisting an officer who was called to the scene of an alleged break in of a house in an upper middle class neighborhood. 

Is this a case of racial discrimination?   Reverse racial discrimination?  Pride? 

Well I guess it depends on who you speak to. 

This morning in our bible study we talked about racial prejudices.  Only, in this case, it had to do with the Samaritans and the Jews.  Most people know the story of the Good Samaritan and how he did something very noble in caring for his down and out, left for dead, Jewish enemy. 

Many don't know the intense hatred they had for one another.  The Jews hated the Samaritans because they were half breeds.  While held in captivity the Northern tribe of Jews married Assyrians so their offspring were half Jew and half Assyrian so they developed the name Samaritans because of where they came from. Samaria was the capitol of the area that this all took place.  The other Jews, who came from the Southern Tribe and exiled into another area, managed to stay pure and thus began the great racial hatred between these two groups. 

So today we studied Jesus' interaction with a Samaritan woman at the well in her city.  The Jews would go to great lengths to avoid Samaria even if that meant taking a longer trip which they gladly did to stay clean.  They felt even walking near to the city of Samaria they would be defiled.  So great was their hatred.  But Jesus, a Jew, on his way to Cana took the most obvious and short route; straight thru Samaria.  What was he thinking? 

Jesus, the great peacemaker that he is, shattered all barriers.  Not only did he have a lengthy conversation with a woman, which was unheard of in His day, but she was a Samaritan outcast as well.  She was a woman of ill repute living with a man after having five husbands.   He asked her for a drink of water.  To drink from her utensils would certainly be taboo.  A Jewish man asking a woman of ill repute, and a Samaritan to boot,  for water?  Was he crazy?

By the time Jesus was done with Samaria and the Jews, they reconciled through him.  The last thing Jesus said before he left was to preach his word throughout the world, Jerusalem, Judah, and Samaria. 

President Obama would do well to learn a lesson about racial descrimination from Jesus.  Martin Luther King got it.  He understood.  President Reagan got it.   It's about shattering those barriers, not putting them back up. 

I'm afraid Obama's statement did more to stir the pot than to bring healing to a racially charged incident. 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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on Jul 23, 2009

ZoundryDocument

"I don't know - not having been there and not seeing all the facts - what role race played in that, but I think it's fair to say, number one, any of us would be pretty angry; number two that he Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home,"

"is a friend, so I may be a little biased here. I don't know all the facts."

"jimmied his way to get into [his own] house."

"There was a report called in to the police station that there might be a burglary taking place - so far so good,"

"I guess this is my house now,"

"Here I'd get shot."

These were Obama's comments on this Gates issue. Without knowing any facts at all Obama jumped the gun and claimed racism as the cause and stupidity as the reason. And here i thought Obama was different but it seems to me that not only does this reassure me of his pick as Supreme Court Justice being just like him but also that he is just like any other Black person who thinks everything that happens to them is because they Black. And this comment is coming from a Latino incase anyone is interested to know.

I think even Obama is vulnerable to the Biden Effect.

on Jul 23, 2009

It just proves beyond any doubt that Obama was in fact listening to the Reverend "God Damn America" Wright all those years. Its no accident that he sat in those pews of a hatemonger church.  Michelle let on to this in her thesis from Princeton where she bemoaned her treatment by whites as a visitor and guest... there is a long pattern of racial grievance with the Obama's.  Here is Obama finally coming out with it and I hope the people who voted for this dunce are satisfied with what they have done.

on Jul 24, 2009

~Charles~

 

That's the thing, I've also wondered about the issue of race when looking at this incident. Was the person that called the police station doing it because it was a break in, or because it was a black man doing the break in? I agree that the race card and all that is tiring, but given that racism still exists, i think the question should be put out there and investigated. If it wasn't the case then it wasn't the case. As much as I'm sure most people would love to do, we can't just sweep an issue like this under the rug and tell everyone to get over it. I don't think it would work, just like that.

 

Other than that, the points he had in his comments that you provided are pretty fair. I mean, would he not get shot while trying to get into the window of the white house. How many people know what the president looks like from the back side (since he would be climbing in a window)?

(\tongue in cheek)

On a serious note, I agree with him that there are those people that would be angry just like whats his name. Not necessarily because of race, but just...because.

 

 

 

on Jul 24, 2009

I think Gates is just an angry man with a chip on his shoulder period.  His demeanor and attitude speaks volumes.  Now, he's going to sue.   He's supposed to be a smart man but I'm not seeing it.  I mean Harvard and all? 

Looking at the situation and reading all the accounts of this, backwards and forwards all I can honestly see is an uppitity Harvard Professor incensed that a lowly cop dare question him.  So he pulls the race card out attempting to trump the situation.   

I mean com'on two men (regardless of color) were bashing down a door.  The cops showed up just answering the call.  They were doing their duty. 

Think about how diff this would have turned out, if the Professor thanked the cop for protecting his home from an apparent burglary.  These cops showed up in a timely manner.  This is a good example of tax payer money for a change.  They came when called.  It was their duty. 

I mean com'on what could happen as a result of this if this Professor keeps on with this charade?  Picture this, two black men breaking into another house down the line.  Cops don't show up because they don't want to deal with the backlash?  Or do they have to wait until they can get two black cops to answer the call? 

And as far as Obama, he messed up bigtime on this one.  Showed his colors.   Funny tho, the press will give him a pass unlike what they do whenever Palin opens her mouth. 

on Jul 24, 2009

That's the thing, I've also wondered about the issue of race when looking at this incident. Was the person that called the police station doing it because it was a break in, or because it was a black man doing the break in? I agree that the race card and all that is tiring, but given that racism still exists, i think the question should be put out there and investigated. If it wasn't the case then it wasn't the case. As much as I'm sure most people would love to do, we can't just sweep an issue like this under the rug and tell everyone to get over it. I don't think it would work, just like that.

I'm curious. Why do you see racism here? Because the man arrested was Black? Is arresting a Black man always a sign of racism? I'm even more curious as to why no body cared to find out the truth but instead just to conclusions and damage a persons life without knowing or even making an effort to find out the truth. Maybe it is true, maybe it was based on racism. Last I checked people are suppose to be innocent till proven guilty, but it would seem this only applies to minorities these days. What is even more shameful is that our President, the who is suppose to uphold the laws of this Nation was the first one to make accusations of racism and called police officers, who wall called to perform a service for the community while at the same time poutting their lives on the line, stupid and why? Because he was Black, a Harvard scholar, a friend and the son of a man who was an activist for Black people. Beyond that Obama himself admited he did not have any other facts.

Other than that, the points he had in his comments that you provided are pretty fair. I mean, would he not get shot while trying to get into the window of the white house. How many people know what the president looks like from the back side (since he would be climbing in a window)?(\tongue in cheek)

Interesting although I would have to wonder that as the President, why would he be trying to sneak into the White House? As a regular citizen, why would he be dumb enough to try to sneak into the White house? His comments are not fair, they are not even logical. It was believed that having a Black man as President meant that our society was progressing away from the concept of racism, yet time and again Black people continue to hold on to the notion that a Black man being pulled over, arrested, ticketed, given poor service, ignored, looked at in a weird way, etc is somehow always racially motivated. I tire of this idea and we, as a country, will never get away from racism so long as too many people continue to see racism in everything a Black man is involved in.

On a serious note, I agree with him that there are those people that would be angry just like whats his name. Not necessarily because of race, but just...because.

When you or anyone else can prove to me that a large number of people get mad everytime someone is arrested then i can take such a comment seriously but again i go back to the same question. Without knowing why it happened, without knowing any facts what so eve, without knowing who the Black person or the White person is; why would anyone be mad about a police officer doing his job? Should we not wait till we know if it was wrong before was say it was wrong?

Do on to others what you would want done to yourself. You would not want to be prejudged, neither would anyone else.

on Jul 24, 2009

I'm curious. Why do you see racism here? Because the man arrested was Black? Is arresting a Black man always a sign of racism? I'm even more curious as to why no body cared to find out the truth but instead just to conclusions and damage a persons life without knowing or even making an effort to find out the truth

I'm not seeing it, so much as wondering and examing it. You can't deny there is a big stereotype for blacks (and other races). No matter how hard we as a society have tried to work on ridding it...it's there. I'm not claiming the woman that the woman *did* call the police because of that. I'm saying, hypothesizing really....what if?

 

 

Maybe it is true, maybe it was based on racism. Last I checked people are suppose to be innocent till proven guilty, but it would seem this only applies to minorities these days. What is even more shameful is that our President, the who is suppose to uphold the laws of this Nation was the first one to make accusations of racism and called police officers, who wall called to perform a service for the community while at the same time poutting their lives on the line, stupid and why? Because he was Black, a Harvard scholar, a friend and the son of a man who was an activist for Black people. Beyond that Obama himself admited he did not have any other facts.

 

I agree with you, it should be innocent until proven guilty. However, Innocent until proven guilty is all well and good, in an idealistic society.We may claim such high principles, but the fact is that realistically we do not practice them. Think about it, haven't we had people do things and the public at large already setence them?

Actually, technically the guy did. Then again, I do agree...why would a president do that? Eh, everyone says things they regret. Obama just seems to be catching a case of Biden-ism. Speaking of...where is Biden? I've not heard much about him.

 

 

 

on Jul 24, 2009

When you or anyone else can prove to me that a large number of people get mad everytime someone is arrested then i can take such a comment seriously but again i go back to the same question. Without knowing why it happened, without knowing any facts what so eve, without knowing who the Black person or the White person is; why would anyone be mad about a police officer doing his job? Should we not wait till we know if it was wrong before was say it was wrong?

 

I'm speaking from experience; Sometimes...sometimes you just have those days where your head is not on straight. It seems like you think that everything is all grand common sense and intelligence in our country...but it isn't. People do stupid, stupid....did I mention stupid...shit. Oh, and watch Cops. (Kidding...though it can be educational)

 

Yes, we (society) should, but...we don't. That's the catch: shoulda, woulda, coulda...

 

Interesting although I would have to wonder that as the President, why would he be trying to sneak into the White House? As a regular citizen, why would he be dumb enough to try to sneak into the White house? His comments are not fair, they are not even logical. It was believed that having a Black man as President meant that our society was progressing away from the concept of racism, yet time and again Black people continue to hold on to the notion that a Black man being pulled over, arrested, ticketed, given poor service, ignored, looked at in a weird way, etc is somehow always racially motivated. I tire of this idea and we, as a country, will never get away from racism so long as too many people continue to see racism in everything a Black man is involved in.


Well, I did say that tongue in cheek, so it isn't to be taken that seriously,lol.

Hmmm, that's the thing though - it isn't only the black folks fault; everyone perpetuates it. Society as a whole, in my opinion, perpetuates it. It's the same thing with xenophobia and all that. if we would just stop...just stop, who knows how much better things could get.

on Jul 25, 2009

I guess the number of  multi racial cops who came out to support this officer made quite an impact.  After that, President Obama did the right thing in at least attempting to diffuse the situation like he should have in the first place.  But I notice they keep saying on the news Obama came short of an apology in his phone call to the officer in question.   Pretty interesting in lieu of the fact that the Professor Gates was "demanding" an apology ealier from the cop and his precinct. 

All in all tho, the cop came out looking good and this uppity Professor made a fool of himself. 

 

on Jul 25, 2009

But I notice they keep saying on the news Obama came short of an apology in his phone call to the officer in question

 

By the news I'm guessing you mean Fox? Seems like he apologized as is. Yeah yeah, not "officially" and all...pft, whatever. He apologized; people are just nitpicking.

on Jul 25, 2009

By the news I'm guessing you mean Fox? Seems like he apologized as is. Yeah yeah, not "officially" and all...pft, whatever. He apologized; people are just nitpicking.

no actually Charlie Gibson last night for one thing.  I don't watch Fox news.  I get it online but on TV it's all liberal based news for me. 

I think it's hard, especially for men via their pride to back down.  Obama went as far as he could.  I applaud his effort although I do think he was out of bounds enough in his initial statement to apologize fully. 

on Jul 25, 2009

no actually Charlie Gibson last night for one thing. I don't watch Fox news. I get it online but on TV it's all liberal based news for me.

I hope you're joking, lol.

 

I think it's hard, especially for men via their pride to back down. Obama went as far as he could. I applaud his effort although I do think he was out of bounds enough in his initial statement to apologize fully.

I agree he pulled a stupid with the comments.

on Jul 25, 2009

I hope you're joking, lol

no, why do you say so?  You think  Charlie Gibson is a conservative?

on Jul 25, 2009

no, why do you say so? You think Charlie Gibson is a conservative?

Honestly, and admittedly a bit narrow minded, I figured you would listen to fox news mostly. My apologies.

on Jul 26, 2009

President Reagan got it.

this would be the same president reagan who launched his 1980 campaign with a speech in the very same mississippi county in which three civil rights workers were killed by the klan in 1964 proclaiming his full support for 'state's rights'--codespeak understood very well by his audience to mean a return to mississippi apartheid policies--and a promise to help return control of mississippi's schools to segregationists and white supremecists? 

what he--richard nixon, strom thurmond, lee atwater, karl rove and others who coopted and corrupted that organization which today calls itself the republican party--very clearly "got" was the exact opposite of that "shattering those barriers, not putting them back up" thing for which you so naively or ignorantly credit him.

what they "got" was nd is exactly what they all intended and expected acquiring by pandering to racial hatred and fear--as they and their fellow "southern strategists" openly and without reservation explained to interviewers on countless occasions: lotsa votes. 

on Jul 26, 2009

By the time Jesus was done with Samaria and the Jews, they reconciled through him.

in which parallel universe did that occur and how long did it last?

no evidence of anything at all similar happening on this planet.

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