Say it's not so!
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Your question is answered here.
From Gen. 7:14-15, 21-23, we know that only the land dwelling, air breathing animals and birds were on the Ark.
And while there is no doubt (becasue we have found their fossils) that some fish and other sea creatures died as a result of the breaking up of the fountains of the deep causing great volcanic action, etc. However, God did not destroy all the fish or all other creatures of the sea. It says in plain English...that He destroyed every living substance from off the face of the earth. The "face of the earth" is not what is in the seas.
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Good point about the olive trees Ock. You must be referring to the olive leaf brought back to Noe by the dove. Gen. 8:11.
There are a few plausible answers. Some of the olive trees and their limbs could easily have been floating in the water and while part was submerged under water, part of it could have been above it so that the dove probably picked a leaf off from that.
Many terrestial seeds of plants can survive long periods of soaking and some indeed are better off for the soaking as they germinate faster. Some plants could have survived in floating vegetation masses and even broken off pieces of plants are capable of sprouting.
Many seeds have devices for attaching themselves to various things that floated as well as animals and some could have survived the Flood by this means. Others could have survived in the stomachs of bloated, floating carcasses of dead herbivores.
At the end of 150 days the waters receded and these seeds could have easily taken root, including the little olive tree.
Classic.
SETARCOSNOUS POSTS: I can just picture it now, lula reaches the afterlife and tries to hold God accountable to a written work of men. It's posts like these that confirm to me how people hold a book above their possible creator, or at very least cannot distinguish between the two.
Where do I say or even intimate that the Bible is above God? Not me, for I don't believe that for a second. My point simply is that the Bible is inerrant only becasue God is inerrant..and He is the Principal Author is all I said. God cannot deceive or be deceived.
When KFC says the Bible is "God-breathed" or when I say that God is the principal Author ....that means we believe that the Holy Spirit inspired the human authors to write down what they wrote in the manner and style that He wanted them to write, and God guided them to the extent that they wrote faithfully what they had been taught.
Ok. I agree except for the fact you know I hold the biblical account as the original.
I agree. The cross is actually a Roman invention. The Christians just took it up in memory of Christ dying on the cross. We see alot of paganism mixed in with our Christian holidays. Agree. It's truth mixed with error. Like I said before....take out the truth and disregard the error.....or at least be familiar with what's what.
Honestly I would if I thought I was wrong. I've done it before. I don't use the bible to prove the bible. I use the bible to interpret the bible. Big diff. So if you're thinking I'm proving the bible this way....can you admit you're wrong? I've said before the bible stands all by itself as a verified book of antiquity. It doesn't need me to prove anything. I'm not into that.
Although the bible scholars thru the years cannot prove this book to be the word of God they have been able to verifiy what's in it to the best of their ability as true. And that would be important if this was a book from God don't you think? All dates, places, events and such have been scrunized to the nth degree. And nobody can really touch it so they look for ways to mock it instead.
I think she meant plain Hebrew???
this doesn't make sense Lula. First off do you know how long it takes for an Olive tree to germinate and grow?
I think it's quite clear that the bird went out and found a standing tree when the water started to recede. I went to Mt. St. Helens 15 years after the explosion. The trees were all still standing although they were stark naked but even after 15 years they were still there. Here in the book, it's just a matter of months. I'm sure there were still leaves on these trees. The whole point and context of the passage was Noah knew the water was receding enough for the bird to land on a tree to rest it's feet.
and this I totally agree with. Well put Lula.
Do I get credit for a good catch, Church lady?
lula posts:
aldericjourdain posts: #216 Though the Catholic church and others have removed and done various "editing and clarency" work on it?
KFC POSTS: I didn't even read past this line Lula. This is the second entry you've left here in a day trying to get us back into your RCC dogma. I ignored the first time. Please don't bring that here.
kFC,
Every word of my comment 217 in reply to AldericJourdain is the truth. There is not one bit of Catholic dogma there...it's pure history.
I can understand your frustration had I actually out of the blue brought up Catholic dogma, but I haven't done that.
Look again, it was Alderic who first brought up the CC and I answered him in a most truthful manner.
We're starting to have good natured fun here. I hope that's the real point of everything.
C'mon people...looks like you posted the English translation to me!
Yes, here's a root beer float....
"Church lady"...reminds me of those hilarious skits on Saturday Night Live!
Well, that was the reference. Hey Ock....why do you think that perhaps the Bible isn't completely accurate...is it SATAN?!
ya, ya, ya....you did good!! Geeesh!
ha! Kind of reminds me of last week......I was walking into Publix when I heard "hey teacher lady." I kept walking and heard it again....."hey teacher lady." I kind of turned a bit as I was walking to see who was yelling. Then I heard "ya you." I then recognized a young twenty something kid coming my way with a big grin on his handsome face. He was happy to see me. It took me a minute to put the face with some event and then I remembered he was part of the landscape crew who worked on my front yard for two days. He was like the only English speaking person among the other Mexicans.
I don't know where he got that name for me. I didn't really teach him anything. I made the crew muffins and cookies the two days they were here. They were very happy to have some homemade baked goods. I did talk to their boss about God and she was very receptive. We had such a good conversation that she gave me a hug before she left and said no one had ever made them goodies before. This is the third time I've received a hug from a worker on my house. Two were female (one was a painter) and the other is the guy who pressure washes my house. We just felt such a connection even tho two of them were back-slidden Christians (I was trying to encourage them) and the other was on fire for God.
It is accurate....it's Satan telling you otherwise.
I think it's Satan telling YOU otherwise. He wants to keep you stagnant - to spend lots of time praying instead of doing (though I know you do a lot...that isn't a dig.) I'm talking about the average. And before you protest - how many churches did you go to before you found one you liked when you moved? It couldn't have been a problem with unchanging God, so logically, the people in the congregation weren't your brand of Christian.
Lula studies that book just as hard as you, but...she studies wrong? The wrong version? Draws the wrong conclusions? Finds the wrong treasure? I could say the same of her perspective to you. You think of each other identically (from what JU can read here). And when you two spend post after post going over the same disagreements, don't you think Satan is clapping at how well his plan is working? Not because you are arguing, but because you are wasting your time.
And just how many hours total have you two spent studying this book? Enough to have delivered papers, instead, and helped out some less fortunates with the proceeds? Enough to do anything else constructive? Oh but crafty Satan built the answer to that right in the book. "There will be poor always." How convenient...
Why did God destroy people time and again in the OT? Here's an answer I never read "Because they aren't spending enough time thinking about GOD" It was always some other evils and wickednesses - too much wine, sex, drugs, rock and roll. If all of the people of Sodom had been helping their neighbors and cultivating a selfless, loving community, the town would have stayed. Lot didn't ask God to find just one person thinking about God. Just one "good" person - or did I miss something. Now I ask you both, is indulgence in too much of sex, drugs, rock and roll the only things one can overindulge in?
Here's a little chart for guidance.
There's two things Satan doesn't want people doing.....reading the word and praying. One is God speaking to us and the other is us talking with God. He wants to break off the communication between us and our commander. We're lost without that communication. Satan is all about doing. He loves good works. Right up his alley. So you've got that part backwards. He wants to keep us B-U-S-Y......"being under Satan's yolk." Remember the story about Mary and Martha?
No..... prayer and the word are the two most important things going for a Christian. That's the start. Good works should flow from that. Good works give glory to God. That's why you see sport's stars on occasion point upwards. They want to glorify God for their works and actions.
ha! You're saying the same exact thing as my husband. He said this a long time ago. I guess I just want her to get "it." I was RC and have been surrounded by many RC all my life including those who left like me. We all have Lulas in our life. In fact in every church I've ever been to, I would venture a guess that 2/3 came out of the RCC.
Lula studies mostly right out of RCC encyclopedias. I've noticed many of her answers are coming directly from these RCC apologetics. When I met Lula about 3 years ago or more (in person) she didn't really know the scriptures that well. She's come a long way and I'm very proud of her. The diff from me to her tho is the RCC authority. I'm all about relationship not religion. She is so bound by the Latin Vulgate and the RCC's version (DR) that she sent me a copy of my very own. I believe the whole RCC is all about busness and money. They twist the scriptures to hold their people under fear and guilt. I see that all over Lula.
Who knows? I've been reading scriptures since I was ten and studying it heavily since I've been in my late 20's or so. Studying the book is where we go to for spiritual food. If we are not fed, we are to weak to do anything. Just like physical food to nourish our physical bodies, we also need to partake of the spiritual food to nourish our spiritual side as well. Jesus said, when tempted by Satan, man cannot live on bread alone but by every word of God. Where do we go? Scriptures.
Right thinking precedes right living. So basically they weren't spending enough time thinking about God. They were focused on self, not God. If they were living for God to begin with there would be no sad smoking story about Sodom.
Remember everything starts with a thought.
KFC posts:
What were you thinking to write this dousy?
You have no clue as to what constitutes "good works". Prayer is a good work and so is doing anything, in faith, hope and charity, that is, for love of God and neighbor.
Re-written..
Satan loves good works.....good works should flow from prayer and the Word. Good works give glory to God.
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It should have been Satan loves evil works.
Well, the "right thinking" idea has brothers and sisters.
Wisdom:
Right View
Right Intention
Ethical Conduct:
Right Speech
Right Action
Right Livlihood
Mental Development:
Right Effort
Right Mindfulness
Right Concentration
Recognize these? It all predates Christianity by quite a few years.