There Are Many To Be Had
Published on June 5, 2009 By KFC Kickin For Christ In Current Events

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on Jun 22, 2009

I've read the Church Father's writings on the Genesis account of Creation and St.Thomas Aquinas held that the Creation was a threefold work of God carried out in 6 days. Creation on Day 1, distinction of Days 2 and 3 and Adornment on Days 4, 5 and 6. He holds that light on the first day was the "sun's light" but it was formless as yet holding an immense illuminative power or energy in a general way to which afterwards on Day 4, God fixed the special determinative power required to produce the stars, the many spiralling galaxies, our sun as it is now and the whole solar system in the higher firmament.

 

Lula, I'm curious; pray tell....how long is a day to your God?

on Jun 22, 2009

It's there, it's been dated; It's evidence. (Note I didn't say proof)

I question the authenticity of anything that is dated beyond 3500 BC.  Why.....becasue it is done by radiocarbon dating which is not 100% unreliable and any conscientious scientists will admit this.  

 

on Jun 22, 2009

I question the authenticity of anything that is dated beyond 3500 BC. Why.....becasue it is done by radiocarbon dating which is not 100% unreliable and any conscientious scientists will admit this.

Actually, lula - setting aside your double negative that thereby implies that carbon dating IS in fact reliable - carbon dating was proven to be accurate by Willard Libby (U Chicago - 1949) through dating it, and then comparing the results to known historical records.

 

Source:

Arnold, J. R.; Libby, W. F. (1949). "Age Determinations by Radiocarbon Content: Checks with Samples of Known Age". Science 110 (2869): 678–680. doi:10.1126/science.110.2869.678. PMID 15407879. http://hbar.phys.msu.ru/gorm/fomenko/libby.htm.

 

 

~Alderic

 

 

 

on Jun 22, 2009

Lula, I'm curious; pray tell....how long is a day to your God?

God is Eternal and exists in a timeless state. But time for us, as He meant it is based upon Genesis and the literal meaning for yom ("day").  From the way that God worked His Creation and set the week as we know it, I'd say one day is 24 hours.

What's interesting, fascinating really....is this....to suppport the literal meaning for day we can cite the use by Jesus Christ, Creator and Savior.  I think God chose Creation events of 24 hours each since these are time periods to which all humans can best relate.

In St.Mark 10: 6, Jesus indicated that He knew the creation and linked that to the beginning of human beings, He said, "But from the beginning of the creation, God made them male and female." Doesn't this read like a tautology?

 

 

 

 

on Jun 22, 2009

I question the authenticity of anything that is dated beyond 3500 BC. Why.....becasue it is done by radiocarbon dating which is not 100% unreliable and any conscientious scientists will admit this.

Actually, lula - setting aside your double negative that thereby implies that carbon dating IS in fact reliable - carbon dating was proven to be accurate by Willard Libby (U Chicago - 1949) through dating it, and then comparing the results to known historical records.



Source:

Arnold, J. R.; Libby, W. F. (1949). "Age Determinations by Radiocarbon Content: Checks with Samples of Known Age". Science 110 (2869): 678–680. doi:10.1126/science.110.2869.678. PMID 15407879. http://hbar.phys.msu.ru/gorm/fomenko/libby.htm.

Ooh for the double negative! My bad. Sometimes my fingers are in gear on the keyboard before my brain is!

Nah, Libby's radio carbon methods are no doubt workable but not 100% reliably accurate results.  Why? becasue he and his associates proceeded on 2 faulty assumptions.

Namely, one....the way everything is now, so it always has been, and 2....no contaminating factor has previously disturbed any object tested with radiodating techniques.

The results of the samples are nice, but without regard to the immense uncertainities of HOW the past may have affected them. Libby's other problem is that actual recorded historical events only go back as far as the Sumerians to about 3500BC. There is just no getting around the actual facts. ANyone can claim something is 35,000 years old but can't actually prove it beyond doubt. Without historical records there is just no way to verify C-14.

 

 

on Jun 22, 2009

Without historical records there is just no way to verify C-14.

Gotta love 'em.  Of course, they can 'verify' everything in the Bible.

on Jun 23, 2009

Daiwa, for shame.  You know better than to get involved in this!!  Always love to see your posts, however.

 

I do it for entertainment.  It's kind of like watching the monkeys at the zoo.  In fact (chuckle) it's EXACTLY like that.  Literally.

 

 

on Jun 23, 2009

KFC Kickin For Christ

the babylions had every 7th as a holy day from a calender 20centryies BC!
but the Babylonians came way later than Moses (during Egypt's world power status) so the Babylionians have no bearing on this subject at all.   The Babylonian empire was during the six century BC.  Not 20 centuries B.C.  This is a historical and biblical fact. They conquered Jerusalem in 586 BC.  Genesis was written in about 1450 B.C during the exodus from Egypt.  Babylon was nothing then, certainly not a world power.  Persia defeated Babylon for power in 538 B.C.  So not sure where you're getting your dates there but they're wrong.

History books.  The founder of the empire was Hammurabi, who lived approxamtly 1000 years before your version of the dates.  Look it up if you dare.  They based their calander on a summurian one dating from 2000BC.  Before your creation myth was written down.

The 7 day week is world wide because belivers in your god made everybody else follow it.  As a world leading system it started when the romans used it. 

If seven days is such a god given week why did all the other cultures use different ones? 

on Jun 23, 2009

I have the right answer about the 7 day week.

 

Who cares?  Does it matter?  

 

Uh oh...is some imagined God gonna punish me for not having the proper respect for why a bunch of apes chose 7 days for a week?  I'd be shaking in my shoes if I were currently wearing any.

on Jun 23, 2009

Sometimes my fingers are in gear on the keyboard before my brain is!

 

You're being humble when you say "sometimes."

on Jun 23, 2009

Just a bit back on the subject...

 

The findings, published in the peer-reviewed journal PLoS One, are based on a review of 21 scientific misconduct surveys carried out between 1986 and 2005. The results paint a picture of a profession in which dishonesty and misrepresentation are widespread.

 

Let me do the math.  21 incidents in 19 years.  Ohh, gee...that's so disarming!  You and Lula have disagreed about the "truth" more times than that in the last year, which means that at least one of you has been posting misinformation to the Internet.  You have done so deliberately, both of you, because you refuse to admit that you do not and can not know the truth.  Maybe if the scientific method was your guide, you could pare this down a bit.  But will you?  Nope.  Your shortcut to knowledge, aka faith, is too strong.  To admit you're wrong would destroy your entire world.  Don't feel bad - millions of faithers have gone before you, and millions more are being brainwashed by ignorant parents every day.  Your status is safe.

on Jun 23, 2009

The results of the samples are nice, but without regard to the immense uncertainities of HOW the past may have affected them. Libby's other problem is that actual recorded historical events only go back as far as the Sumerians to about 3500BC. There is just no getting around the actual facts. ANyone can claim something is 35,000 years old but can't actually prove it beyond doubt. Without historical records there is just no way to verify C-14.

 

Actually, if an object can be historically proven to have been made in, say, 1345 BC - through verified and intact records...then carbon dating shows it to be, that sort of shows the veracity of the dating.

Mind you, they did take into account all sorts of irregularities, and as such they tried the same test for other objects. Guss what...the veracity was verified.

 

 

on Jun 23, 2009

how long is a day to your God?

God is outside of time.  He's not bound by time at all. 

Now, for the rest of you readers, I'd like to propose observation. For in nearly everyone of these threads where Lula appears, Lula and KFC wind up arguing Bible semantics until the rest of us are puking up blood.

Lula and I agree to disagree on certain things and there is much we do agree on.  We only have these strong debates when it comes to the authority of the RCC.  Other than that, we get along quite hunky dory.  And if you're squemish about blood, stay away.  The articles are adult content and if you can't handle it......well you know. 

Actually, lula - setting aside your double negative that thereby implies that carbon dating IS in fact reliable - carbon dating was proven to be accurate by Willard Libby (U Chicago - 1949) through dating it, and then comparing the results to known historical records.

carbon dating is good but it's not perfect.  It can only date things accurately if the variables stay the same.  If some catastophe happens it upsets the dating accuracy...like Mt. St Helens or say like the flood.  Evey Scientist I've ever spoken with says the same but with a much more elaborate way than I can.  I'm not a Scientist but I do know they don't put all their money behind this carbon 14 dating.  It's a useful tool but only up to a point. 

The 7 day week is world wide because belivers in your god made everybody else follow it.

no, not at all.  The Jews followed it for centuries way before the word Christian was even formed on anyone's lips. 

Gotta love 'em. Of course, they can 'verify' everything in the Bible.

well show me something that has been wrong.  Everything that can be verified, places, events, dates, people etc have been verified by the experts even to the people who went on a search to disprove it to be. There have been some things thought to be in error but upon further research found to be quite true instead.   Many have been converted in the process.  There was one well known archeologist who researched the book of Acts for 30 years.  He knew there were places, dates, names, and people in that book alone that he wished to research to verify if were true historically and thru archeology.  So he went and spent many years following in the footsteps of Paul. 

 He went into this adventure an unbeliever and came out singing God's praises.  He said the detail Luke put down was quite amazing.  He was able to verify almost everything written down in that book alone.   Luke being a doctor paid attention to every detail. 

 

 

 

on Jun 23, 2009

AldericJourdain
Precisely, though are you talking bout the the days of the weeks as per the names, or...?
~Alderic
Yeah, the names of the days.

on Jun 23, 2009

To that I'll add that God is outside of time, in a state of "timelessness", and that He created time...
How long did that take him?

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