Who is the ruling clique and how do they define science?

There is no evidence for Creationism, there is no way to test for it.  In a scientific context, the idea is worthless.

There is evidence for evolution, however.  A LOT of it so that's what we focus on...things that are real.

~Zoo

and there is NO evidence for the evolutionary theory when it comes to origins.  NONE. 

We've been over this a million times.  That wasn't the focus of this article anyhow Zoo.  The article had to do with Stein's losing out of a job as a commencement speaker beacuse he didn't buy into the evolutionary theory.......and he graduated from Yale which is totally secular when it comes to such things.  Imagine that. 

The question has always been......what are the evolutionists afraid of?  Both sides have equal footing when it comes to the matter of origins.  Why did Stein lose this job opportunity? 

Evolution has nothing to do with origin.  It depends on life existing and then changing.

There's a whole other area of research when it comes to origins.  If that's the argument you want to go with then creation isn't even in the same ballpark as evolution.  It's a different game downtown.

~Zoo

Again Zoo, we've been over this....it's all how you start your bias.  That's your foundation.  Then we go and look at the facts and determine which way we're going with the facts by our biases. 

The question remains.......was Stein right or wrong in his movie "Expelled" when he set about to show that it's politically incorrect to take, in this case, the ID theory over the Evolutionary Theory?  That by doing so, one could be terminated solely on their "belief" system, not the facts? 

Oh, God, here we go again.  Emphasis on the qualifier added.  The evidence for the existence of evolution is overwhelming, but it's critics demand that it explain the origin of all life, something about which it makes no claims, or else.  Every time this comes up, they simply refuse to debate the theory...  they insist on changing the subject instead.

No personal offense, KFC, but 'scuse me, I gotto go into a dark quiet room & let the headache subside.

No, that's not even a fair statement to make concerning me.  I've debated this far and long and until the cows came home more than once.  Just a nominal perusing thru the science blogs will show you that....over a three year period. 

If anyone changed the subject it was Zoo that's why I keep trying to come back to the subject at hand.  When that movie came out the "evolutionists" on this site constantly and consistently said Stein was full of it and his claims of people losing jobs and tenure weren't true. 

Let's stick to that subject.  That's why I'm saying the proof is IN the pudding. 

We now return you to our regularly scheduled programming.

it's been exhausting but we here still have 2 hours and 55 minutes to go before charles darwin's bicentennial birthday celebration evolves its way to a close!  

ya and what I think is funny is that while Darwin's religious followers are having birthday cake and ice cream a poll was done that showed that as many as 43% of ALL Britons believed in "young earth creation" or the idea that God created the world within the last 10,000 years. 

How about that? 

An even greater % thought "Intelligent Design" might be true. 

And this is from his homeland where he's considered one of the most influential Britons of all time. 

In our own country where Evolution is taught 100% in our "government"  school systems they have failed miserably to convince even 50% that this theory holds water. 

So much for having a captive audience. 

People are free to 'believe' whatever they wish.  In our own country, where creationism is taught 100% in our 'religous' churches, they have failed miserably to convince even 50% that this theory holds water.

and that's a good thing......even though the government and liberal media are trying hard to convince us otherwise. 

Do you have data to back this up? 

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I thought so. 

you have to go to church and study the claims before you can  understand the creation side to be convinced.  You're certainly not going to get it anywhere else.....like you used to.

So if the churches are teaching creationism 100% as you say (which they aren't btw) how many are coming out convinced these churches are correct in their teaching? 

Hint:  much better % than those coming out of 12 years of government schools being indoctrinated in humanistic Evolutionary Theory. 

More people (religious or not) believe in either the creation story or ID story than in ET.  That's a fact! 

I stand corrected: In our own country, where creationism is taught 100% in our 'religous' churches, they have failed miserably to convince more than 54% that this theory holds water.

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