Good article KFC.

Racism is a social consequence of Evolution. 

Our opinions about our origins definitely affect the way we think.

Dr. Walt Brown wrote about the connection of racism to evolution in that evolution has provided the main rationale for racism.

It goes like this...ifhumans evolved from some apelike creature, then some people must have andanced higher on theevolution ladder than others. Some classes of people should be inherently superior to others. That was the twisted logic of Hitler.

There was racism long before Darwin's theories were published...hate to burst your bubble.

~Zoo

Darwin was a creature of his time. Many then believed in Biblical stories of man's superiority over women.

 

Some still do.  But the key words you used is "many believed."  The scriptures don't teach this but again, if you take scripture out of context you can make them say anything you'd like them to say.  That's why I'm always preaching...context, context, context. 

This is true Zoo.  But also remember the Evolution Bus wasn't started with Darwin.  He just made it popular.  I do think Evolution was used as an excuse for those who did believe in the superiority of Whites. 

But yet no one has really answered why the original title of Origin of Species?  What was Darwin trying to tell us with this very Racist Title?

 

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Zoo, all I'm attempting to point out is  that evolution has provided the main rationale for justifying racism. Today, the word "race" has come to mean groups of people with distinguishing characteristics such as skin color, shape of eyes and texture of hair.  I think you'll find that this new meaning arose with the growing acceptance of Evolutionism in the late 1800s.

Those differences are not a repudiation of the unity of the human family due to their origin from the same first parents, Adam and Eve according to Genesis. Creationists have a different historical perspective. It's that we all descended from Adam and Eve.  Evolution has painted a different picture. According to it,  man supposedly evolved from some ape-like ancestor, and some early humans branched off sooner than others having different mental, physical and behavorial characteristics. This is racism, pure and simple, a highly prejudicial school of thought that dehumanizes human beings.

KFC said it and soimeone else as well...There is only one race..the human race...but the word 'race" is a social concept, not a scientific one.  There are nofundamental differences in our structures. All humans bleed when pricked and laugh when tickled.

Way too many people in the world are sorely confused about the so-called races....this prejudice has caused great division...aside from what KFC has already mentioned in her article...wars and genocide,

Christianity teaches the doctrine of the unity of the human family and the resultant brotherhood of the people of all races, due to their descent from Adam and Eve. Adam from whom Eve was made represents the head, and the unity of origin, of mankind.

  

 

 

 

 

While no one is saying that all those who believe in Evolution are racists, Darwin and many ofhis followers were. Darwinism's Godless "muddy slime to man" evolution theory provides a rationALE TO justify racism. While racism is unpopular today at least openly, however, in Darwin's day, it seemed to be acknowledged as the title of his book suggests.

 

Zoo...wow I am shocked you can draw this conclusion from the Bible...From the VERY FIRST woman in the Garden, all thw way through the Bible Women are given equal treatment.  In the biggest way was Mary....Her blood flowed in Jesus' veins...he was a descendant of David through Mary by blood, through Joseph by name (since conceived by the Holy Spirit).  My favorite is the woman at the well.  Jesus went to her, spoke to her, she had a date with destiny and he spoke to her as an equal, not as a submissive.

IF you want a list...I can get one for you.  Women of the Bible rock, even the bad girls.

Wow, I didn't know any of this about Darwin KFC...of course I never really looked into it.

 

 

Well, I'm just going to assume that he was telling everyone that he was very racist.   However, racism was an accepted social norm at the time...so it's not like anyone would be shocked.

And as with any people with a certain belief, they'll look for justification for it in whatever they can. (Much like you look for proof of a "common designer") They took evolution scrambled the meaning and used it as a "base" for their racist thoughts.  Everyone feels better when they have something to back it up...even if it is faulty logic. 

Yeah...but who was the one that had to obey Adam? Her.  Who was the one Satan manipulated? Her.  Who got Adam to eat the fruit along with her? Her. 

Of course the man could never be tricked...unless the woman was involved, you see.  Through this story it was woman who caused all of humanity's ills. 

Like I said in that piece you quoted.  Baby carriers or supporting characters.  All Mary did was serve as a vessel.  She didn't to have any say in it.  If you want to put it bluntly, she was used without any consultation.

Jesus was born...and he was male.  Who came to vist? Wise MEN.

Well, one would hope so.  If Jesus, the son of God, was a jerk, then we're all screwed.

By the way...why wasn't Jesus female?  And to go beyond that, why is God portrayed as male?  Wouldn't it make more sense for God to be seen as female?  Giving life and all that?  Just a thought.

Sure, Tova...if you can find me a decent sampling of women who were portrayed as main characters and not as instigators of evil or only carriers of children...then please, go right ahead. 

Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.

~Zoo

To add to what Tova has said Zoo.  Check out John Chapter 4  (like Tova mentioned) and read about the woman at the well. If you notice, this was one strong lady who had 5 husbands (not a good thing).  She not only held her own against Christ but she was the instrument used to tell the men of Samaria about this man who knew everything about her.  They believed her and came running.

Samaria was a town that was known for accepting Christ,  having many converts coming from it, when his own hometown and the city of Jerusalem would not listen to him. 

But there are so many other very strong ladies in scripture...here's a few...Sarah, Rebekah, Eve (of course) Rahab, Hannah Deborah (who was a judge and warrior) Esther (who saved her nation) Ruth (who brazenly picked her man) Michael (David's wife-bad girl) and don't forget Abigail who later married David.  She saved her current husband's butt big time.  The most memorable to me is Jaal who pushed two tentpegs into a bad King's skull while he slept and saved the day.  But you can also read about a main character called Jezabel who ruled with an evil hand and who do you think was stronger......Samson or DELIAH? 

and you thought the bible was boring?  Here's more. 

  Then in the NT there is Mary, Dorcas, Priscilla (strong) Mary Magdelene, the Samaritan woman and last but not least we should never forget the Proverbs 31 woman whom most of us readily admit we can NEVER measure up to.

Zoo, you've just proven that you have fallen for man's lies.  You take the WOG and hold it up to disprove it against man's opinion.  Christians, on the other hand measure man's opinion against what the WOG says and that includes Evolution.  So it really comes down to one thing...who are you going to trust?  Man or God?  It's funny that Psalm 118:8 is the direct center of the bible.  Check it out.  It should give you some food for thought anyhow.

 Admittedly, we Christians are becoming more and more illiterate.  We don't even know our own book thanks in part to preachers who are not preaching like they should.   We need to get ourselves literate so we can demolish these strongholds on those who have no idea what the bible really says. 

If we don't know the truth, how can we spot the lie when it crops up? 

 

KFC has an awesome sampling. I especially like Ruth because she saw what she wanted and went after it.

There are different kinds of power. For instance child bearing is power. If all women all over the world decided no more kids, heh, then humans would fade away. Of course if all men all over the world decided not to uhem, donate sperm, then mankind would fade away.

Now consider the home, your own mom and dad. How would your life be if your mom left you at birth and your dad never remarried? All the things your mom taught you would be missing, or at the very least delayed.

I know there are exceptions, but in most homes the mother is the one who does most of the child rearing. Even if both parents work, moms are the ones who "usually" are more involved...ya know the saying, "The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world?"

Power.

When I am told to "obey" my husband in scripture, its doesn't say ...lay down, be a doormat. I am to obey him, as he obeys Christ. God is really smart. He knew from the beginning that you can't have too many chefs in the kitchen and a cohesive family.

As another example, many AF bases may have two men with the same rank running the base.

There may be a two star general in charge of the flight line side of the base, and a two start general in charge of the services side. Both are equal, but one is ACCOUNTABLE for the performance of the entire base to the Air Force/DOD.

Technically the one who isn't accountable falls under the one who is...but that doesn't make him weaker, less powerful, or anything like that.

*sigh*...now I have homework.

~Zoo

ARTYSIM #6

No, not a stretch at all...not when you look at the whole picture and put all in its proper context and now historical perspective.



As far as "race" goes, the Holy Bible does not preach the Jews as a "race" for they are not at least in the ethnological sense of the term. They are a distinctive cultural group of the human species. They are, in origin, an Eastern Mediterranean people and so are many other groups who are not called Jews. Though the jJews of today are a mixture of many peoples, in origin they are Shemites, and so are millions of Arabs. So, ya, it's a common practice to speak of the "Jewish race" just as we say the Irish or Italian race, when there are none in the ethnological sense of the term.

Now whether the Jews are a "race" in the terminological sense comes down to an intense division on the subject of what is a Jew....Does it constitute a religious community or a nation? Even within Jewry itslef this is debated and the topic for a new blog.


The Jewish claim that they are a chosen people has a historic religious foundation with God as its Author. Israel became a "chosen", a special people through a single person, Abram, selected by God. Abram wasto be magnified his name changed to Abraham, "the father of many nations". From Abraham came Isaac, whose son Jacob name was changed to Israel. The children of Israel later called Jews were chosen by God to be the keepers teachers and interpreters of His Law. The Law included a priesthood selected from the tribe of Levi and the selection of Judah as the tribe from which the promised Messias, the son of David, would come to fulfill the Law. The Jews were especially favored by being the people, the nation, from whom all the great prophets would come through whom God told the world of the great things that were to take place in Israel until "God Himslef wouold come and save them.

The Jews were the only selected people with whom God made a contract in the days before the coming of Christ, the Messias. The contract was bilateral in the sense thatthe reward God promisedwould go to the elect IF they were faithful..to His commands and prophecies.

Aside frm the factthat the Jews are no longer a priestly kingdom, there stands the command of Moses which they fail to obey that bars present day Jews from calling themselves God's chosen people. Moses commanded that they listen to the "prophet" God would send whom "thou shalt hear". David told of Him in the fullness of time was to begin a spiritual King whose reign would continue "forever".

The mission once Jewish ended with the coming of the Messias as Jacob foretold, the sceptre, the authority the sovereign of the house of David was taken away. Then the mision of Christianity to bring the world to God began and so it will remain until the end of theworld as Christ promised.

An idea or theory is not in itself prejudiced towards anything.

It is only subject to people twisting it to their own ends.


It is the people who are racist, the people who justify it, the people who perpetuate it.

~Zoo

Artysim posts: #14


What does the Inquisition have to do with racism?

The historical research on the Inquisition has been made possible by opening of Vatican archives. Records from the 12th and 13th centuries show the Inquisition was set up to address and combat heresies that threatened the people's faith. The Inqujisition was legal in those medieval times. The Holy BIble itslef in Deut. 17:2-5 records instances where God commanded that formal legal inquiries that is inquisitions be carried out to expose heresies.

Yes, there were some in the Inquisition to be ashamed of and we Catholics admit that and won't defend cruelty and injustice. But let's separate facts from myth and avoid confusion between acts of government, particularly Spain, and those of ecclesiastical bodies.

The heretical sects destroyed Church property, attacked the clergy, advocated concubinage, euthanasia, suicide by starvation, and encouraged revolt against the state and church authority. Society was racked iwth chaos and disruption. To meet this crisis, the Church in concert with the secular authorities established the Inquisition. The role of the Chruch, its tribunals were set up to try the charges of heresy...the church was limited to examining the subject to determine if they were indeed heretics. No one who was not Catholic could be condemned as a heretic. It's object was primarily corrective..if the heretic recanted his errors, the Church imposed a penance, such as fasting or a pilgrimage and reconciled him to the Church. If he was obdurate and pronounced guilty of heresy, then he was handed over to the state for punishment.

The state passed the sentence and its judgments were severe (whipping, confiscation of property, imprisonment, or death itslef and although the Chruch never condemned anyone to death, she undoubetedly approved of the stern repression of heresy and again, these were the circumstances of the medieval ages.

Professor Henry Kamen, a British Jew who serves onthe British council forScientific research studied in depth all the files of the Spanish Inquisition. In an analysis of 7,000 cases from Valencia, he revealed only 2% used torture..bETWEEN 1550 and 1700 , 1,483 of 49,092 cases (less than 3%), concluded with the death sentence. of these, only 776 were actually put to death. On average about 5 persons a year were put to death during that century and a half.

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To put this in context, Luther and Calvinboth endorsed the right of the state to protect society by purging false religion. Cruel punishments were commonplace in England and Germany. reformers in England and Ireland engaged in their own ruthless inquisitions and executions. Conservative estimates indicate that thousands of Catholics were tortured, executed, disembowelled, beheaded, hanged, drawn and quartered and burned at the stake for refusing to giveup their Catholic faith and become Protestants.





Artysim, you've gotta get your facts straight. No one killed Galileo. Galileo went beyond the field of science as a mathematician and entered the realm of theology by proposing in a letter to the Benedictine Fr. Castelli to modify the traditional interpretation of various texts of Sacred Scripture that mentioned the movement of the sun and earth. On that account he was summoned before the Inquisition and his sentience was placement in confinement for life. The degree of the Inquisition was a disciplinary ruling. Galileo was not tortured, confined to a dungeon, but detained in an apartment for three weeks then allowed to live compfortability at his estate near Florence where he continued some of his most famous work.

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zOO,

The theory of evolution wasnurtured in the philosophy which teaches that man is sufficient in himself and does not need God. Evolution theory is prejudicial in this sense that macro-evolution is not anestablished fact. Those who believe in it wish to escape the authority of Almighty God.