Life Questions
Published on February 9, 2008 By KFC Kickin For Christ In Philosophy
It's been said that the two greatest questions of life are "where did life come from?" and "what is the purpose of this life?" Many different philosophers throughout the centuries have attempted to answer these questions basically coming down to six different viewpoints.

1. Atheistic- Atheism says that everything comes from nothing. There is no God. There is no purpose in life. Might makes right as Hitler believed. There is no absolute rule as there is no God to dictate such rules.

2. Agnostic- While the atheist says there is definitely no God and the Christian says there IS a God, the agnostic says we can't know and won't know if there is a god. Agnosticism was first coined by Aldous Huxley in 1869. He was called Darwin's Bulldog.

3. Pantheism- First thought to have originated from the Dutch Philosopher Spinoza who died in 1677, this belief says all is god and god is all . God is the trees, the trees are God. This belief recognizes the divine in nature rather than nature being separate or distinct from its creator.

4. Polytheism- Poly meaning many and theism meaning God. This belief is in "many gods." Pagans did and still do believe in the many gods of nature. There was the sky god, the water god, the fire god, the earth god and so on.

5. Deism-Edward Hebert who died in 1648 was the founder of Deism. While this belief was closer to the truth as a belief in Deism does have God at its root, it stops short of the biblical, personal God. Deism, while it does answer the first question doesn't help us much with the second. Deism is sort of like God winding up the earth like an alarm clock and then walking away havng no interest in being there when it goes off.

6. Monotheism- Mono meaning one is a belief in one God. In this position God did create life and is always interestsed in it epecially in his creation of man.

The greatest and most profound idea the human mind can ever entertain concerns the possibility of the existence of a personal God. The importance of man's response to this idea cannot be exaggerated. It will not only govern his life down here but will also determine his ultimate destiny. Unless one satisfactorily answers the who question, he cannot possibly solve the how, why, when and where problems of his own existence.

There are different philosophical arguments for the existence of God. The first one is the universal belief argument which says all mankind has some idea of a Supreme Being. This argument has often been challenged but never refuted. While the concepts of God found among many cultures and civilizations differ greatly on the number, name and nature of this Supreme Being, the idea still remains.

I gave a classic example of this the other day with Helen Keller who was blind, deaf and dumb. When first introduced to God she responded with joy saying...."I always knew He was there, but I didn't know His name." Pretty interesting.

Another argument would be the cosmological argument. Cosmos means "systematic order of things" and Logos means "study or word." This argument says that every effect must have an adequate cause. It's sort of like if you were in bed reading a book late at night and you suddenly hear a noise. Since crime is very prevalent in your neighborhood you have every reason to go there first. But in your mind you try and rationalize this saying it's the wind, a mouse, the cat or maybe a book fell in the other room. You don't want to admit the chilling possibility of what could be the truth. You don't want to go there. From a Christian perspective every design has a designer. We may not want to go there first. We may want to rationalize this and come up with a myriad of other possibilities.

Then there is the anthropological argument which says that the conscience and moral nature of man demands a self-conscious and moral Maker. This built-in barometer supplies no information, and the information on which it passes judgment may be incorrect. But conscience tells us we ought to do what is right regarding the information we have.

We know the conscience may be weak, defiled, good, seared, strong or pure but it is never absent. Where did the conscience come from? The only accurate explanation is that the great Moral Being who created us all planted the moral sense in us. No other explanation will do.

I'm sure there are other arguments for the existence of God but I especially love the scriptural argument for God. Well maybe I should say lack thereof. The Bible simply assumes the existence of God. There are no arguments for the existence of God biblically speaking. God assumes all mankind will know or does know in His existence. We have to be taught to be an atheist. It doesn't come naturally.

"For the Scripture then, the existence of God is both a historical truth (God acted into history), and an existential truth (God reveals himself to every soul). His existence is both objectively and subjectively evident. It is necessary logically because our assumption of order, design, and rationally rests upon it. It is necessary morally because there is no explanation for the shape of morality apart from it. It is necessary personally because the exhaustion of all material possibilities still cannot give satisfaction to the heart. The deepest proof for God's existence apart from history is just life itself. God has created man in his image, and man cannot elude the implications of this fact. Everywhere His identity pursues him. "

Clark Pinnock "Set Forth Your Case"


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on Feb 14, 2008

then how could he be religious? Isn't that an oxymoron?


That's the point. It's not an oxymoron. A religious Jew is a Jew who follows all the commandments to the point. But he doesn't have to believe in G-d to do so.

For example, I believe in G-d but I am not religious.

Religiousity is not a level of belief but a level of adherence to rules.

on Feb 14, 2008
A Jew is not allowed to have gods beside the one true G-d


You shall have no other gods before Me. Other Gods. It's given that God is and that you believe in Him. If not, who gave the commandments?
on Feb 14, 2008

If not, who gave the commandments?


Who cares, if you are following them?

Who gave the commandments is only relevant when you are not following them, because it might give you an answer to the question why you should follow them.

on Feb 14, 2008
Who gave the commandments is only relevant when you are not following them, because it might give you an answer to the question why you should follow them.


Who gave the commandments is ALWAYS relevant, because every day you have the chance to decide whether to follow them or not.
on Feb 21, 2008

KFC POSTS

Yes, God did create Satan. He was created as a beautiful head cherub. He rebelled against God and is in no way considered a son of God. He was one of God's most beautiful creations.

 

Cedarbird posts #42 

According to you. I, however, believe that every single person, every angel, every spirit, is a spirit child of Heavenly Father. I know that to be true because I have had spiritual confirmation. At the same time, the truth of the matter is, discussing religion here is completely pointless. Everyone believes different things, many are even one hundred percent convinced that they are completely right. You can't correct someone or tell them they are spouting "wrong theology" because it's true for them. As for the people who don't believe in God or Christ, they're just using logic to explain life, and there is NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. It's just different, and we should respect people's beliefs.

Cedarbird,

Here are two completely different points of view concerning Lucifer, the fallen angel, now called Satan. You believe Mormon doctrine that teaches that Satan is a spirit child of the Heavenly Father as true.  KFC disagrees saying that in no way is Satan a son of God.

Fact is both can't be true...therefore one of you does not possess the truth. If you are correct, then KFC hasn't got the truth...and if KFC is correct, then you haven't got the truth.

Does the truth matter? Do we have an obligation to the truth? I think so.  God is Infinite Truth substantially and essentially in His very Being so that every thought or judgment contrary to His is of necessity false. Christ Jesus is that Infinite Truth of God Incarnate, the Image of the invisible God Himself.  Christ came into the world precisely to vindicate the truth about God and to establish this truth in the souls and hearts of mankind. We know this when Christ declared to Pilate: "Yea, for this was I born and for this I came into the world, that I should give testimony to the truth; everyone that is of the truth heareth My voice."

So, therefore Christ tells Pilate that truth is all that counts.  Christ who is the Son of God  came down from Heaven to teach us the truth, His truth, His whole truth, and nothing but His truth... For "He is the Way, and the Truth and the Life."  Christ DIDN'T say I am a way, one of many ways, nor I am an expounder of some truths, nor I am a life giver, one of many such.

So, therefore, it does greatly matter whether our ideas, POV's, of His truth be right or wrong.

Cedarbird posts:  

As for the people who don't believe in God or Christ, they're just using logic to explain life, and there is NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. It's just different, and we should respect people's beliefs.

I disagree that we should respect atheism. It's a foolish belief according to Psalms 14:1 and 53:1, "The fool says in his heart, 'there is no God."

Yes, we must keep kindly dispositions towards each other, but we must not shut our eyes to the truth.

 

 

 

 

on Feb 21, 2008
"The fool says in his heart, 'there is no God."


Oh no, the intolerant Bible strikes again, calling people who don't believe it fools...
on Feb 21, 2008
So, therefore Christ tells Pilate that truth is all that counts. Christ who is the Son of God came down from Heaven to teach us the truth, His truth, His whole truth, and nothing but His truth... For "He is the Way, and the Truth and the Life." Christ DIDN'T say I am a way, one of many ways, nor I am an expounder of some truths, nor I am a life giver, one of many such.

So, therefore, it does greatly matter whether our ideas, POV's, of His truth be right or wrong.

I disagree that we should respect atheism. It's a foolish belief according to Psalms 14:1 and 53:1, "The fool says in his heart, 'there is no God."


Yeah, and I know I'm right.
You disagree. And that's fine. 11th article of faith states:

"We claim the privilege of worshiping the Almighty God, and allow all men the same privilege. Let them worship how, where, or what they may."

So, you can believe whatever you want to believe, if it's true for you, who am I to argue? Just don't presume to tell me I'm wrong.

Do you now see what I'm saying, or do I need to clarify? More?
on Feb 21, 2008
if it's true for you


If you don't believe in objective truth, then of course true for whoever is okay. But if there is objective truth, which the Bible teaches there is, then 'true for you' means 'you are deceived'
on Feb 21, 2008
Let them worship how, where, or what they may."


So CB you're saying..........we are to worship whatever we want? That's truth? So it's all about us then? Not God?

f you don't believe in objective truth, then of course true for whoever is okay. But if there is objective truth, which the Bible teaches there is, then 'true for you' means 'you are deceived'


heh! Ya, so I can punch you in the face. It makes me feel good so it's truth for me! Don't tell me I'm deceived Jay....it felt good to me......  
on Feb 21, 2008
Obviously you will never believe a word I say. All right. I give up. I know what I believe, and if you don't want to, fine. I'm not going to force it. If you're interested, let me know, otherwise, I'm out.
on Feb 21, 2008
"The fool says in his heart, 'there is no God."


Oh no, the intolerant Bible strikes again, calling people who don't believe it fools...


Jythier,
Slight correction. It's not that people who don't believe in the Holy BIble are fools, it's those who believe there is no God.
on Feb 21, 2008
Obviously you will never believe a word I say. All right. I give up. I know what I believe, and if you don't want to, fine. I'm not going to force it. If you're interested, let me know, otherwise, I'm out.


Subjective truth is easy to understand. Ever heard something wrong? That was subjective truth. One of you either said it wrong or heard it wrong, and the other said it right or heard it right. Which one it was doesn't matter. What matters is there's a misunderstanding that needs to be fixed. But in truth, one of you was right and the other wrong. But it doesn't really matter.

When it comes to God, and Jesus, it matters what the REAL truth is.
on Feb 21, 2008

Obviously you will never believe a word I say. All right. I give up. I know what I believe, and if you don't want to, fine. I'm not going to force it. If you're interested, let me know, otherwise, I'm out.

Now that's not true CB.  This sounds like a hissy fit.......

We're always interested in what others have to say.  We may not always agree but I've agreed with you before.  Here, I do believe in objective truth.  I don't buy that subjectivism stuff.  It makes no sense to me, nor does it mesh with scripture. 

When Jesus said he was the only way and that he was the truth.  I believe him.  I don't believe there are "many" paths to the father. There may be many paths we've taken to get to the Son but the only way to heaven is thru the Son.     He came to represent his father to mankind.   When we go thru the cross we can't help but get his blood on us.  We can't get into heaven without the blood of the lamb.  Just like in the Passover of old.   

on Jul 08, 2008
I agree with Ockham on the definition of Atheisim, it is quite improper of you to associate only the strong survive with the basic definition of Atheisim, Atheists merley beleive that there is no god, anything beyond that is not a proper definition of Atheisim.

I'd put myself down as Agnostic, when i was younger i'd of probably said Deisist, but i'm certainly Agnostic now.

The greatest and most profound idea the human mind can ever entertain concerns the possibility of the existence of a personal God.


From a personal perspective actually i don't think this is such a profound idea. If anything it seems like the most natural assumption given our social structure (families, parents, people looking after us when we are young).

I think the most profound idea a human mind ever entertained was when a Greek philiospher predicted the existance of Atoms, several centuries before the birth of Jesus Christ.

There are different philosophical arguments for the existence of God. The first one is the universal belief argument which says all mankind has some idea of a Supreme Being. This argument has often been challenged but never refuted. While the concepts of God found among many cultures and civilizations differ greatly on the number, name and nature of this Supreme Being, the idea still remains.


I think this arguement is actually countered by my above statement that due to our social structure beliving in a god is probably the most obvious conclusion.

We know the conscience may be weak, defiled, good, seared, strong or pure but it is never absent. Where did the conscience come from? The only accurate explanation is that the great Moral Being who created us all planted the moral sense in us. No other explanation will do.


Then what created their conciousness? Do we have a recursive everlasting process of beings making beings? If so it still doesn't answer either question.

I'm sure there are other arguments for the existence of God but I especially love the scriptural argument for God. Well maybe I should say lack thereof. The Bible simply assumes the existence of God. There are no arguments for the existence of God biblically speaking. God assumes all mankind will know or does know in His existence. We have to be taught to be an atheist. It doesn't come naturally.


I love discussing whether god exists, it's something i feel pashionatley about and it is a question i will never answer i fear, yet to say that we naturally believe in god something i cannot agree on. You are not wrong, but you are not right neither. I think our biological engineering towards our dependancy on the infancy of our parents is probably the source in our tendancy to apply such a mentality to the origins of our species.

If we were to take an animal such as a turtle, that has no parental influence in it's life, i wonder if they too would have such a tendancy to believe in god.

Thanks for the article, it was a good read.
on Jul 08, 2008
..... Atheists merley beleive that there is no god, anything beyond that is not a proper definition of Atheisim.



Atheists dogmatically claim there is no God. Atheism, therefore, is a denial of the ultimate Cause of things, including the law of our being.

KFC WRITES:
The greatest and most profound idea the human mind can ever entertain concerns the possibility of the existence of a personal God.


SCOTTEH POSTS:
From a personal perspective actually i don't think this is such a profound idea. If anything it seems like the most natural assumption given our social structure (families, parents, people looking after us when we are young).


I agree with KFC, it is profound for we can draw from universal reasoning (or if you wish, intuition), that God exists. The universal judgment of mankind that God exists can't be wrong on this vital point for it's the same intuition that tells the hungry infant that food must be put in his mouth.

Think about it...we don't have to persuade ourselves that there is a God, rather we have to try to persuade ourselves there is no God. No one yet who has attained a temporary persuasion has been able to find a valid reason for it. We don't grow into the idea of a God, we endeavor to grow out of it!


KFC WRITES:
We know the conscience may be weak, defiled, good, seared, strong or pure but it is never absent. Where did the conscience come from? The only accurate explanation is that the great Moral Being who created us all planted the moral sense in us. No other explanation will do.


SCOTTEH POSTS:
Then what created their conciousness?


God created us; He gave us life and a soul endowed with free will and an intellect (reasoning ability). God also created our inner voice of conscience otherwise known as the Natural Law written on our hearts. In every one of us there is a sense of our moral obligation, of right and wrong. We know interiorly when we are doing wrong...something inside rebukes our conduct.

Our inner voice of conscience dictates to us a law we didn't make and which no man or evolutionary process, such as Darwin's "survival of the fittest" or natural selection, etc. could ever make. The law dictated by this inner voice of conscience supposes a Lawgiver who has written His law in our hearts. And as Almighty God alone could do this, it is certain that He exists.


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