Life Questions
Published on February 9, 2008 By KFC Kickin For Christ In Philosophy
It's been said that the two greatest questions of life are "where did life come from?" and "what is the purpose of this life?" Many different philosophers throughout the centuries have attempted to answer these questions basically coming down to six different viewpoints.

1. Atheistic- Atheism says that everything comes from nothing. There is no God. There is no purpose in life. Might makes right as Hitler believed. There is no absolute rule as there is no God to dictate such rules.

2. Agnostic- While the atheist says there is definitely no God and the Christian says there IS a God, the agnostic says we can't know and won't know if there is a god. Agnosticism was first coined by Aldous Huxley in 1869. He was called Darwin's Bulldog.

3. Pantheism- First thought to have originated from the Dutch Philosopher Spinoza who died in 1677, this belief says all is god and god is all . God is the trees, the trees are God. This belief recognizes the divine in nature rather than nature being separate or distinct from its creator.

4. Polytheism- Poly meaning many and theism meaning God. This belief is in "many gods." Pagans did and still do believe in the many gods of nature. There was the sky god, the water god, the fire god, the earth god and so on.

5. Deism-Edward Hebert who died in 1648 was the founder of Deism. While this belief was closer to the truth as a belief in Deism does have God at its root, it stops short of the biblical, personal God. Deism, while it does answer the first question doesn't help us much with the second. Deism is sort of like God winding up the earth like an alarm clock and then walking away havng no interest in being there when it goes off.

6. Monotheism- Mono meaning one is a belief in one God. In this position God did create life and is always interestsed in it epecially in his creation of man.

The greatest and most profound idea the human mind can ever entertain concerns the possibility of the existence of a personal God. The importance of man's response to this idea cannot be exaggerated. It will not only govern his life down here but will also determine his ultimate destiny. Unless one satisfactorily answers the who question, he cannot possibly solve the how, why, when and where problems of his own existence.

There are different philosophical arguments for the existence of God. The first one is the universal belief argument which says all mankind has some idea of a Supreme Being. This argument has often been challenged but never refuted. While the concepts of God found among many cultures and civilizations differ greatly on the number, name and nature of this Supreme Being, the idea still remains.

I gave a classic example of this the other day with Helen Keller who was blind, deaf and dumb. When first introduced to God she responded with joy saying...."I always knew He was there, but I didn't know His name." Pretty interesting.

Another argument would be the cosmological argument. Cosmos means "systematic order of things" and Logos means "study or word." This argument says that every effect must have an adequate cause. It's sort of like if you were in bed reading a book late at night and you suddenly hear a noise. Since crime is very prevalent in your neighborhood you have every reason to go there first. But in your mind you try and rationalize this saying it's the wind, a mouse, the cat or maybe a book fell in the other room. You don't want to admit the chilling possibility of what could be the truth. You don't want to go there. From a Christian perspective every design has a designer. We may not want to go there first. We may want to rationalize this and come up with a myriad of other possibilities.

Then there is the anthropological argument which says that the conscience and moral nature of man demands a self-conscious and moral Maker. This built-in barometer supplies no information, and the information on which it passes judgment may be incorrect. But conscience tells us we ought to do what is right regarding the information we have.

We know the conscience may be weak, defiled, good, seared, strong or pure but it is never absent. Where did the conscience come from? The only accurate explanation is that the great Moral Being who created us all planted the moral sense in us. No other explanation will do.

I'm sure there are other arguments for the existence of God but I especially love the scriptural argument for God. Well maybe I should say lack thereof. The Bible simply assumes the existence of God. There are no arguments for the existence of God biblically speaking. God assumes all mankind will know or does know in His existence. We have to be taught to be an atheist. It doesn't come naturally.

"For the Scripture then, the existence of God is both a historical truth (God acted into history), and an existential truth (God reveals himself to every soul). His existence is both objectively and subjectively evident. It is necessary logically because our assumption of order, design, and rationally rests upon it. It is necessary morally because there is no explanation for the shape of morality apart from it. It is necessary personally because the exhaustion of all material possibilities still cannot give satisfaction to the heart. The deepest proof for God's existence apart from history is just life itself. God has created man in his image, and man cannot elude the implications of this fact. Everywhere His identity pursues him. "

Clark Pinnock "Set Forth Your Case"


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on Feb 10, 2008
My personal favorite:



Frisbeetarianism:


n.

A belief that when you die your spirit floats up and gets stuck on the roof.

Because Joel was a frisbeetarian, he had no wonders about what had happened to his friend when he died, he knew for a fact that his soul was stuck on a roof.

on Feb 10, 2008
1. Atheistic- Atheism says that everything comes from nothing. There is no God. There is no purpose in life. Might makes right as Hitler believed. There is no absolute rule as there is no God to dictate such rules.


Or, if you like facts:

a·the·ism
–noun
1. the doctrine or belief that there is no God.
2. disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.


There are about 4 other definitions on dictionary.com for atheism, and not one of them mention 'everything from nothing,' 'no purpose in life,' or 'might making right.'

on Feb 10, 2008
Or, if you like facts:


a·the·ism–noun1. the doctrine or belief that there is no God.2. disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.


exactly Ock....same thing. If you don't beieve in God....you are NOT going to believe in creation by a God now are you? You're playing the semantics game again.

So if an Atheist DOESN'T believe in God, where does that leave them in their answer to the two questions presented.?

Frisbeetarianism:


hmmmm that's a new one!! You must be a frisbee player?



on Feb 10, 2008
You're playing the semantics game again.


All I'm really trying to do is correct an incorrect statement. You made the statement, and it's false.

Might makes right as Hitler believed.


Wrong - no more atheists think this than any other kind of people.

While the atheist says there is definitely no God...


Wrong - atheists don't believe there is one. They don't definitely say there isn't. (Some probably do, but not all) Regardless, there is a difference between not believing something and believing something is not. (/broken record playing for a wall)

It would be an interesting blog, but your bias shows too much, and if I can say this without you thinking I'm just trying to call you names, it makes you look silly. So I attempted to be kind the first go round and just define, very simply, what atheism is. I was hoping you'd be humble and say "Oops, my bad. Thanks for catching that."

Atheists can dream, too.

on Feb 10, 2008
It's been said that the two greatest questions of life are "where did life come from?" and "what is the purpose of this life?"


I always thought they were "what's for dinner?" and "who's picking up the check?"
on Feb 10, 2008
Wrong - atheists don't believe there is one. They don't definitely say there isn't. (Some probably do, but not all)


of course they do. Even by your own definition they do. An Atheist says there is no supreme being. It's right there Ock.

Regardless, there is a difference between not believing something and believing something is not. (/broken record playing for a wall)


again, Semantics. Every atheist I have ever known...and I've known lots...say there is NO God. We are simply here due to the evolutionary theory. Every single one I've met. All of them. Afterall it's convenient.....hmmmm didn't you mention that one?


It would be an interesting blog, but your bias shows too much, and if I can say this without you thinking I'm just trying to call you names, it makes you look silly.


While I admit I do have bias, there was no bias in my definitions of the six viewponts. And as far as me being silly, com'on Ock that's a double sided argument. I too think you're silly of trying to be nit-picky over these semantics instead of giving me something deep thinking to discuss here.

on Feb 10, 2008
I always thought they were "what's for dinner?" and "who's picking up the check?"


hahahahaha well those are important questions of life also Mason.


hmmmmm what IS for dinner anyhow?
on Feb 10, 2008
While I admit I do have bias, there was no bias in my definitions of the six viewponts.


I hate to break it to you, but in so far as the atheist definition goes, there certainly was. Instead of a factual definition you gave opinions and extrapolations. Ock gave the correct definition of the word, what you gave are extremely biased opinions of what atheistic belief implies. Big difference.
on Feb 10, 2008
Well I didn't go for dictionary terms...maybe I should have, but I chose instead to go for layman's terms so to speak for all six viewpoints. Even monotheism. So there was no uncurrent attack against atheism. From a Christian POV all these terms would all be considered (with the exception of the last) as against historic Christianity. So in the long run from that viewpoint they would all be on the "other side" of the Creation God.




on Feb 10, 2008
That may have been what you were aiming for but your "definition" of atheism doesn't even come close to anything but a biased set of opinions and extrapolation. If you had left it at "There is no God" you would have been ok. Face it, you seriously missed the mark on that one. Ock is right here whether you want to admit it or not.
on Feb 11, 2008
Well you're certainly welcomed to your opinion Mason. That's ok. But remember I'm coming from the point of the two questions that started this whole discussion. When you ask an atheist where did life come from...what is he going to give as an example? When you ask them what is the purpose of life what will be their reply?

Besides....I NEVER said definition. I said these are the six viewpoints for these two questions. I never meant to give technicale definitions. Had I said that, then you'd have a point. I didn't.

on Feb 11, 2008
6. Monotheism- Mono meaning one is a belief in one God. In this position God did create life and is always interestsed in it epecially in his creation of man.

Might makes right as God will have caused those who are blessed to have the might and they always be doing right as they are following God.
on Feb 11, 2008
1. Atheistic- Atheism says that everything comes from nothing. There is no God. There is no purpose in life. Might makes right as Hitler believed. There is no absolute rule as there is no God to dictate such rules.


Atheists often have a very strong sense of purpose. This (so far as they believe) is their only existence; wasting even a moment is senseless. If anything you could say a Christian would lack purpose, because once they've done enough to get to heaven nothing else on earth is of any meaning.

An atheist is likely to consider everything in their lives to be of some meaning, if only because it is an expression of their existence.

An atheist could probably express this better than me.

2. Agnostic- While the atheist says there is definitely no God and the Christian says there IS a God, the agnostic says we can't know and won't know if there is a god. Agnosticism was first coined by Aldous Huxley in 1869. He was called Darwin's Bulldog.


This isn't quite true, although you're right in that the word was coined by Huxley (not the most famous member of his illustrious clan).

Agnostics have been around as long as religion has been. They're the ones who go through the motions just in case.

4. Polytheism- Poly meaning many and theism meaning God. This belief is in "many gods." Pagans did and still do believe in the many gods of nature. There was the sky god, the water god, the fire god, the earth god and so on.


In a way. Polytheists don't necessarily believe in nature god alone. Many polytheistic faiths have quite complicated god relationships. Certain branches of Christianity, for example, believe in the trinity, which is roughly analogous to some Hindu interpretations of the divine as expressed through Shiva, Kali, Vishnu and the rest. The idea of aspects is a polytheistic belief, although many would deny it utterly.
Other polytheistic beliefs, just as those of the Norse and the Greeks, have a strict hierarchy of gods which isn't dissimilar to angelic pantheons in mediaeval christianity and very early Judaism.

We know the conscience may be weak, defiled, good, seared, strong or pure but it is never absent. Where did the conscience come from? The only accurate explanation is that the great Moral Being who created us all planted the moral sense in us. No other explanation will do.


That's a bit dogmatic. Surely the only explanation that will 'do' is the right one. If we believe the Jewish/Christian/Islamic tradition then it's because humanity chose it for itself - we ate the apple that cursed us with the knowledge of good and evil - we ate the apple that gave us a conscience. So it was we who enlightened ourselves.

Of course, you can reject that as you wish, but I really think you should be more enlightened to the possibilities, particularly those that are part of the faith you claim to profess.
on Feb 11, 2008
But remember I'm coming from the point of the two questions that started this whole discussion. When you ask an atheist where did life come from...what is he going to give as an example? When you ask them what is the purpose of life what will be their reply?


Ok, even given that, the last two sentences regarding the atheist have nothing at all to do with the two questions posed.
on Feb 11, 2008

1. Atheistic- Atheism says that everything comes from nothing. There is no God. There is no purpose in life. Might makes right as Hitler believed. There is no absolute rule as there is no God to dictate such rules.

I agree that your bias is shown here.  Atheist believe that there is no God.  The "purpose" of life is life itself- not serving "God".  There is not a universal (or even common) belief among atheist that "everything comes from nothing".  They simply believe there is no God.

I also like the Hitler reference.  It always makes me chuckle when Christians claim Hitler was an atheist.  He wasn't an atheist, he was a CHRISTIAN (shock..horror...OMG!   Can't be!)  He was raised Catholic.  Have you read Mein Kampf?  Hitler talks a lot about faith and religion and the Catholic church.  He even said: "This human world of ours would be inconceivable without the practical existence of a religious belief."  Why would an Atheist put that in writing?  He also wrote: "I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.." Of course, he was also insane, and you can find quotes where he dismisses God (usually in speeches), but his attack on the Jews specifically was not an act of Atheism.

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