as for kingbees assertion



the only faith being thrust down anyones throat in the united states right now is non-religion.


now kingbee will counter that non-religion is not a religion. but it is the faith that there is no god.

You apparently missed the part where I said parents should pull their kids from their classroom.

No matter. I'm used to poor reading comprehension on my posts.

The point is that the student is claiming his Constitutional rights were violated. HIS CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS WERE NEVER VIOLATED! Yes, the teacher was a jerkhole, but he never violated the rights of the students.

And incidentally, "separation of church and state" appears nowhere in the Constitution.

The reaction of the parents is just more of the "play the victim" mentality. Assuming the Tim LaHaye version of eschatology to be true, what are these "Christian" parents going to do when the AntiChrist appears? Line up, get their numbers, and then SUE to have them removed?

The article is one thing, but to see the posters - knowing their political leanings - line up on this one is even more interesting!

I will add a but to Gideons.  The material is offensive, but not a court case.  It should be settled between parents and administrators (but that supposes the administrators have brains which is fodder for another blog). The Parents should not HAVE to pull their students.  Teachers should be taught to teach the material.  Sadly, that does not appear to be the main purpose of many (not all for our great teachers here at JU and their peers) teachers today.  They probably got their lesson plan from the same place the administrators got their brains - the Wizard of Oz's bag of tricks.

your right but


the government shall not support one religion over another.


and again in my eyes non religion is a religion.

the teachers union in utah said that they would have no problem with hitler teaching there. even knowing what they know about him now.

Close, but no cigar,

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof".

Was this teacher a Congressman? And did he propose a law prohibiting the free exercise of religion? If he did, I misspoke.

We agree that this teacher is a shameful example of the teaching profession. We disagree that Constitutional rights were violated.

According to Kingbee's article, he WAS teaching the material. It's a fact that most monarchs used the idea of "divine right to rule" to screw up their entire countries and economies, bringing devastation to the populace that was defended in the name of religion, because "Jesus had chosen them as king".

In context, as it seems most of the students (with the exception of this "victim"), the teacher IS teaching history.

No, Gid, because they'll be in the clouds, singing and playing harps, 'cuz they done been raptured . . .

sorry i was just using the SAME arguement that the other side uses

Bingo. I thought you were supposed to defend the faith, not pay attorneys to defend your face

Wow SC. We're in agreement here. I actually agree with you on this one.

When I first read this article I thought of the spot Christ was in when they were mocking him, spitting at him, making fun of his religious belief and yet he "opened not his mouth."

He didn't defend himself. He took it. He could have blown them away with his breath alone.

He was the perfect example of what we should be. Meek. I'm not saying weak mind you, but meek. It's strength under control. His example is still applicable for us today. When a Christian goes to court seeking damages, that will be their reward. Oh so much better when we seek God's ways and not man's ways. God said thru Paul...."vengeance is mine." We are not to take vengeance and that's what I see happening here with this lawsuit.

So as a Christian, as I said, while I understand the frustration I disagree with the method of dealing with it.

We, too had a teacher that was giving the Christians in his class some grief (including my son) and we dealt with it thru the system resulting in the loss of his job. He was not on the payroll the following semester. I'm sure that young teacher in our district learned his lesson.

Are you sure that's not the same thing as going to court?

Don't be too sure. We've had a few young teachers here who've had a spotty employment record, yet somehow everyone but them is to blame. I have little doubt this teacher felt the same way.



Quite different, jythier. Utilizing a teacher's chain of command is the proper way of dealing with things. Suing is nothing but compounding wrong with wrong.

Well, if Gid says so, and KFC says so, that's good enough for me.

I actually support the kid here. I'm not religious but public school teachers do not have the right to indonctrinate children. He was doing more than just being offensive.

Moreover, if a given teacher who happened to be religious instead of an atheist, as this teacher is, started inserting how evolution is bogus and those who believe it will go to hell you can bet there's be lawsuits over that.

 

Don't be too sure. We've had a few young teachers here who've had a spotty employment record, yet somehow everyone but them is to blame. I have little doubt this teacher felt the same way.

I suppose. I know he was pretty obnoxious so you may be right here. I remember the headmaster telling me that lessons were learned as a result of all this in the context of how young this teacher was. He had quite a few conversations with this teacher during the whole mess. Let's say....hopefuly he's learned his lesson and won't repeat the same mistakes he made with us. But who knows? I just know he needed to learn what was and was not acceptable behavior in the classroom.

Are you sure that's not the same thing as going to court?

Yes, I'm sure. Our motive was not vengeance but accountability. We weren't looking for monetary compensation but only a wrong to be righted and that's not something money would do in this case. We wanted our kids protected but not necessarily lining our pockets in the process.

As Gid said there are other ways to settle things without cashing in and clogging up the court system. In our case we went first to the head of the dept with a meeting with both teacher and this head of the English dept. When that yielded no fruit we went to the Assistant Headmaster and then eventually to the School Board where the whole thing blew wide open. The result being this teacher was released at the end of his first year teaching in our district which was best for all involved including the offending teacher.

He was doing more than just being offensive.

I agree. He was taking advantage of his captive audience and teaching more than the curriculum. He was definitely going over the line here.

Moreover, if a given teacher who happened to be religious instead of an atheist, as this teacher is, started inserting how evolution is bogus and those who believe it will go to hell you can bet there's be lawsuits over that.

hahahah don't even think it would make it that far nowadays. They just kick them out. I know a few Christian teachers...most of them attending my last church and they all have said how careful they have to be in speaking about their faith.

Our experience in the school system is that it's much more common for a teacher to "trash" Christianity than to support it. It was more common for a teacher to question or challenge (especially in HS) students of faith than to support or encourage them.