I read about the story when it first broke.  I am not surprised they are trying to mainstream it.  Nambla is trying to mainstream pedophelia.  I would hope that we, as a society, roundly and solidly condemn this stuff, but somehow, I see a portion of the population shouting "leave them alone if they are not hurting you".  The sad part is that the ones being hurt, dont speak english. Or any other human language. So they cant speak up. 

This just boggles my mind I guess. When you watch the trailer to the movie you hear them use the term "spirituality" to this event as in "it's a spiritual high like no other." GOOD GRIEF!! Over the years when someone tells me how they are into "spirituality" or they have a "spiritual" experience, outside of historical Christianity, the red flags go up. I guess it's another way to take a word and give it a new twist.

Have you heard of anything recently? It's my understanding the group is basically defunct, just a website and a post office box that no one ever returns mail from. The only place I hear about them is on blogs. Just wondering what they are actively doing.



Also Sprach PETA, too. I'm not into the whole animals as voiceless victims. I like leather and steak too much. Anthropomorphizing lunch isn't good for anyone. Every inch we give in such matters is an inch we lose in terms of animal rights wackos.



Don't get me wrong, I think it is sick, but I keep seeing you saying stuff like this. You know what the word intolerant means, right? You ARE intolerant of this, aren't you? Why wouldn't you label yourself as intolerant of this, and nod when other people say you are?

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I'm intolerant of any kind of aberrant sexual behavior and sex with animals certainly fits the bill. Why? Because the evil quality in this behavior is self-evident. Worldling excuses for validating it, like "born this way", are totally useless.

You ARE intolerant of this, aren't you? Why wouldn't you label yourself as intolerant of this, and nod when other people say you are?

Yes, I am intolerant of this and it would be ok to say that I am intolerant of this but not in such a way that it's used as a whipping stick to be me over the head with. In the old days to be intolerant meant that you didn't agree and that would be that. Nowadays, if you don't accept these things lock, stock and barrel you're labeled intolerant in such a way that it all gets turned around so that the intolerant one (that would be me) is made out to be the sickie as to draw compassion for the ones engaged in "sick" behaviors." Good becoming bad and bad becoming good I guess.

So Baker, we'll just be intolerant on this together.....! It's nice to have company once in a while.

Perhaps Sprach PETA as well, however, I dont have any compulsion against eating animals (or wearing furs and leather). I do have a major problem with torturing them for the sake of some blood lust. And that goes for this type of actions as well.

We dont have to make them human to at least treat them with some respect and kindness.

I just think it is coming ass-backwards at the situation, though. If we're going to start worrying about the sensibilities of our pets, we ought to stop dying them pink and making them wear sweaters. The real issue, at least to me, is what the PEOPLE are doing, not how the animal feels about it.

Maybe that's a little fascist of me, but I don't think animals need to even be considered. If the government can tell me I have to wear a seatbelt, it can tell people they can't screw sheep. The mental anguish of sexual abuse to an animal that otherwise might be roasted with a nice barbecue sauce is immaterial.

There are a few reasons I doubt bestiality will become 'the new gay' as you seem to be suggesting.

First of all adult humans can consent. Animals can't. Animals can't stand up in a court of law and say, "I want to do this". (Most of them can't even stand up, the lazy buggers).

Secondly bestiality doesn't have any popular advocates. Sure, bestiality's big amongst farmers, rural folk and some rather disturbing religious cults (Christian and pagan mostly), but they just doesn't have the social cachet of the arts and intellectual communities. So they'll never be able to bring it into the mainstream.

Thirdly - well, it's just not that acceptable anywhere. I mean, I run in pretty open-minded circles, but even with them bestiality ranks up with pedophilia on the repugnance scale.

I can't even think of any historical societies where bestiality has been the norm. That's not the case for homosexuality or even pedophilia for that matter. It doesn't seem to be the sort of thing that gets widespread approval.

That's an interesting point. I hadn't thought of it that way. My opposition is because I'm a humanist - I think it cheapens our species to go screwing base animals. It's one of the reasons I find sci-fi shows so disgusting. What kind of person would choose to have sex with some horrible alien over a human being?

Oh, and yes, I know that sounds a little like racism, but I think you have to draw the line on inter-species love somewhere, and I'm drawing it at the borders of homo sapiens. Within that, consenting and with adults? Fine. Outside that? No way.

"I can't even think of any historical societies where bestiality has been the norm. That's not the case for homosexuality or even pedophilia for that matter. It doesn't seem to be the sort of thing that gets widespread approval."

Egypt, Greece, and Rome. To the point that it was fairly common. I remember reading that Egyptian women had sex with goats, used snakes for, well, obvious purposes, etc. I wanna say that bestiality was part of the shows in the Roman games, too.

Really? I never heard of that! I knew they had the donkey trick back then because they had it in the old Italian mimes, but I didn't know it was as commonplace as, say, homosexuality in Athens or pedophilia in China.

I guess it just goes to show I learn something both disturbing and new every day.

T-Pol may be vulcan, but she is still hot!

can't even think of any historical societies where bestiality has been the norm. That's not the case for homosexuality or even pedophilia for that matter. It doesn't seem to be the sort of thing that gets widespread approval.

Egypt, Greece, and Rome. To the point that it was fairly common. I remember reading that Egyptian women had sex with goats, used snakes for, well, obvious purposes, etc. I wanna say that bestiality was part of the shows in the Roman games, too.

Yes, what Baker said is true. Even before these times it was a prohibition to the Jews NOT to engage in these behaviors. Way back in the days of Moses God said this to the people:

"Thou shall not lie with man as with woman, it is an abomination. Neither shall thou be with any beast to defile yourslf with; neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down to it; it is confusion." Lev 18

He goes onto say that this is defilement and is what the other nations are engaging in. He wanted them to be different and NOT do these things because they were called out by his name.

It's interesting how he put both together way back in about 1450 BC. So obviously this isn't a "new" thing and are attached to those outside of God's will . Most of this stuff isn't new at all . It's just all coming back with a vengeance demanded to be
accepted.

T-Pol may be vulcan, but she is still hot!

Hey Doc....step into my office....we need to talk......

Normally I'd go scoop up a bunch of facts about the history of this. I love it when I run into something I don't know much about, because it is fun to blow a half hour reading various stuff on the net.

You'll forgive me on this one, though. I've been online since 1993 and I know, full well, that bestiality and zoophilia are two things that I really don't want to randomly surf about, lol. Once you see something, you can't unsee it.

There is a wikipedia article on zoophilia, and here is a perspective on the historical scope. There were some surprises in there for me. If you go to the main zoophilia page, you'll see a lot of the attitude that KFC is talking about.



It's interesting the point of view and tone the article seems to be written in. Very "I'm okay, you're okay":, imho.

BakerStreet waits for the Emperor to wander in and call us prudes for not wanting to screw baboons... LOL ...