There's nothing to indicate that he was doing anything of the kind, but of course we only know what's been written about it. I agree that if he was trying to incite violence he should have been punished but based upon the information given he was simply and quietly expressing himself and the school punished him for it. That's just wrong.

KFC POSTS:


Well said, KFC. This is true on many fronts. The first duty of Christian preachers, Catholic priests, indeed all Christians, is to stand up for Jesus Christ and God's moral laws on sexuality. Jesus gave all His followers (Christians) the mandate, "Go out to all nations and preach and teach what I have taught you." Throughout history, we've seen it always takes courage to do this. The early Christians were stoned, imprisoned, persecuted, and killed for having the courage to stand up for Jesus Christ in this world.
Fast forward to 2007. From all accounts, this boy acting non-violently and rightly stood up for what he believes and for that got punished by the state.

The great unmentioned fact is that man can't change God's Laws and make acceptable what is not and never will be. Practically all known human societies and certainly all the great world religions have judged the practice of homosexuality to be disordered, unnatural, immoral and in a word, sinful, as well as harmful both to society and to the persons who engage in them.

It is exactly as the preacher dad says, that is, we are in "the mess we are in today". This is because ever since the 1960's sexual revolution, the sexual behaviors of homosexuality, bisexuality, etc. have come out of "live and let live" bedroom and thrust upon us by state and national laws. These sexual behaviors have been turned into politically protected and sanctioned "rights". In reality, these sexual orientation anti-discrimination and "hate crime" laws are nothing other than state-forced acceptance of homosexuality which have now been set as stone via sex-ed in all public schools. Those who disagree, as this boy has, get silenced, sued, fined, punished and sometimes imprisoned.

IF his actions went beyond that and into dangerous territory... that's when I've got a problem with it.

IF - the biggest 2 letter word in the english language.

Sadly, the information of this case indicates that he may have been making a statement, but definitely not inciting violence.  And in that his free speech was infringed.  However, the courts have upheld restrictions in schools since - A - Minors are not adults, and - B - discipline mustbe maintained.

IN all seriousness, the only dick in this situation is the school admin.  Who if they ignored this - as they should have - no one would know what the student did, or paid him a second thought.

ZOOLOGIST03


Zoo--I wish it was this easy.

This is exactly where the rub is and I think the main point of this problem and thus this discussion. You are young and may not know that up until 40 some years ago, most everyone had a 'live and let live' attitude about homosexuality. Then, homosexuality was, just as all sexual behaviors, kept in the bedroom. Today, that's totally changed. American society is currently embarked on a novel and unprecident social experiment of refusing to judge or condemn any kind of sexual behavior provided only that it is "consensual". We identify ourselves according to our sexuality with an "in your face" mentality. Acceptance and approval of homosexuality "as good" is codified in law and made a part of the educational system.

Evidently, this Christian student was punished by his Michigan high school for demonstrating opposition to a school event celebrating homosexuality, bisexuality, etc. The boy's father, a pastor, says he's frustrated the rights of Christian students are being constantly trampled on campus. Oakridge High School in Muskegon, Michigan, is one of many schools across the U.S. that took part in Wednesday's "National Day of Silence" -- an event promoted heavily by homosexual activist groups, which view it as a day to protest alleged discrimination faced by students who identify as "gay, lesbian, bisexual, or transgender (GLBT).

The high school, by sponsoring a "Day of Silence" event that is meant to affirm and approve homosexuality, was "in this boy's face" and there was no way for him "to stay away from it" as you say. The boy's father being frustrated that his son's rights were trampled and that he was wrongly punished would not be properly caring for his son if he did as you say and just stay away from it.


As I see it, the high school essentially silenced the boy's rightful and lawful opposition of affirming homosexuality by punishing him. Can you see this as misjustice? I do, and if there is misjustice, how can one just 'stay away from it"? We can't.

That's why the anti-discrimination laws that force societal approval and affirmation of abberant sexual behavior have to be seen for what they are----inherently injust laws. Upon close examination, you will find that they are not really about unjust discrimination at all, for people overall are very tolerant. Anti-discrimination laws are all about---silencing and punishing the critics who most oftentimes are those Christians who are willing and courageous enough to call sexual immorality, just that---sexual immorality.

Ah, you mean the 'live and let live' attitude that made it a crime in most parts of the world? The attitude which put gays in prison? I must agree - that was a most enlightened and fair time!

SUGAR HIGH ELF POSTS:




I guess then that you would have a problem with Almighty God and the writers of Sacred Scripture for they condemn homosexuality every time it is mentioned. Here are a few examples.

"The Lord said to Moses...I, the Lord, am your God. You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; such a thing is an abomination." Lev.18: 1-2, 22.

"For their women have exchanged the natural use for that which is against nature, and in like manner, the men also, having abandoned the natural use of women, having burned in their lusts one toward another, men with men doing shameful things, and receiving in themselves the fitting recompense of the previsity." Romans 1:26-27.

"Do you not know that the unjust will not possess the Kingdom of God? Do not err; neither fornicators, nor idolators, nor adulterers, nor the effeminate, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor the evil-tongued, nor the greedy will possess the Kingdom of GOd. 1Cor.6:9-11.

"But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully: knowing that the law is not made for the just man, but for the unjust and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the wicked and defiled, for murderers..., for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine." 1Tim.1:8-10.

"And the angels also who kept not their principality, but forsook their own abode, he has kept in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day. Just as Sodom and Gomorrha and the neighboring cities, which like them committed fornication, and going after other flesh, undergoing punishment of eternal fire. St.Jude 1:6-7.

CACTOBLASTA POSTS:


In honesty, I don't know whether homosexuality was considered a crime 40 years ago in most parts of the world or not. In this instance, I'm speaking mainly of the US up until the time of the sexual revolution when radical feminism and pro-sodomy forces pushed forward their atheist and secular humanist agendas through all segments of society, by changing our laws and infiltrating our institutions.

Up until 1960 every state had laws banning the sexual practices of sodomy, bigamy, adultery, polygamy, incest, and prostitution. For the common good of the people, States were free to enact its own laws and statutes promoting and in defense of moral standards and public health and welfare.

From what I understand, back then, even though sodomy was banned, what went on behind closed doors was pretty much live and let live attitude and not so much a system of putting "gays in prisons" as you assert.

In 1998, the US Supreme Court ruled against State prohibition laws against sodomy. So now that homosexuality has been made a 'right', we must be on the true road of enlightenment and fairness!! Are we a happier, gentler nation as a result of our society turning sexual vice into freedom and pretending that homosexuality is just a harmless alternative lifestyle? Or, on the contrary, has our society descended deeper into the morass of no-fault divorce, co-habitation, single parenthood, illegitimacy, domestic violence, abortion, epidemics of STDs, AIDS, and other social evils?

was "in this boy's face" and there was no way for him "to stay away from it" as you say.

Perhaps, but it wasn't like there were two men sodomizing each other in the classroom.

As I see it people can be forced to encounter things they may not necessarily like or agree with a lot in life...it's not going to help to pitch a bitch about everything you don't like...that's immature. The point of my post was to be tolerant...tolerance does not demand that you have to like something, it only asks that you don't be a dick about it.

~Zoo

What you mean is that STRAIGHT people can be forced to encounter things they might not necessarily like or agree with, right? Because, ironically, as you plea for "tolerance" from the straight community, you seem to ask nothing of the sort from the gay community. Did he wear a shirt saying "I hate fags"? NOPE. Did he wear a shirt listing biblical verses against homosexuality? NOPE. In fact, you might say his silent protest was entirely in keeping with the spirit of the day. If the gays have a right to advertise their sexuality, he should have the same right to advertise his.

Think about it, zoo. Tolerance only for alternative lifestyles is just as wrong as tolerance only for traditional lifestyles. And it has with it the added hypocrisy of denying others the same rights they are demanding.

To SHE: From a Christian Sister to Another

He's also making Christians look like bigoted idiots.

Well this is the first time I've heard Christians called bigoted on this issue. But then when I considered what the word "bigot" means I have to say I guess I agree with you. But consider this....we are all are bigoted in some manner. To be bigoted means to be intolerant against a belief system among other things. Well are you saying you're not bigoted? Are you FOR men having sex with boys? Are you for anyone having sex with animals? What about Polygamy? Do you see where I'm going here?

Consider this as well. Homosexuality has been considered abnormal or unnatural for thousands of years since the days of Moses. We've managed in the last 30 years or so (in this country) to turn that all aside. In, I believe, in 1973 homosexuality was taken off the list of mental disorders and the guy (I can't remember his name but can get it) who was instrumental in doing so has now totally switched his belief 180 degrees that homosexuality is a legitimate lifestyle. He now speaks strongly against this lifestyle.

What has changed? Not scripture. The culture has changed or more like it has desentized us to the truth. We are being pressured to allow the culture to declare what is right and wrong, what is sin and not. The culture isn't safe ground to stand on. It's constantly moving us. It is constantly and consistenly moving us away from God.

What do you think 50 years down the road are going to bring? What about men having sex with boys? There is a movement out there but right now it disgusts most of us. But so didn't homosexuality 30 years ago. Marriage between two men? Are you kidding me? There was no way this was going to happen.....or so we thought. Today it's being forced upon us as a legitimate lifestyle. Now I don't care what others do in their bedrooms....but when they start bringing this into the elementary schools to indoctrinate the kindergardeners (and they are doing this) then I've got a problem.

We who are deeply rooted in what we believe is the truth of scripture will not be easily swayed by the deception. Christians are not to be like tumbleweeds with no roots and are blown about by every wind of doctrine. I'm sure you've heard the saying......"if you don't stand for something....you will fall for everything.

My problem is that I am a Christian -- born and raised Southern Baptist and still a practicing one. When someone stands up and says that being gay is wrong and should not be tolerated

Since when is being a Christian a problem? I think you may want to rethink your affiliation to something that is more suited to your belief system. From your statement here, while you claim to be SB , you're not adhering to their belief that homosexuality is a sin. Your roots, at least in this organization and the words of scripture, are in danger of being too shallow. I agree with Lula. Your problem is not with us Christians who believe this to be sin but your problem is with the Word of God.

You may want to check this out FYI. It's taken directly off the SB's (your denomination) website. You may want to talk to your Pastor about this:

Link

Funny, but I just came back from a bible study tonight and in this study we learned a new Gk word. Paul was warning the Christians NOT to be swayed by the philosophy of men. The word was "sylagogeo" and comes from the word "syle" (booty) and "ago (carry) and it literally means to "carry off as spoil; lead captive. Basically meaning that many will be carried away from the truth into the slavery of error....basically a kidnapping is taking place when one leaves the word of Christ for the traditions or philosophy of men.

""Beware least any man SPOIL (sylagogeo) you through philisophy and vain deceit after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world and not after Christ." Col 2:8

SHE,

I'm pointing you back to these words for a reason. This individual did not in any way advocate violence against anyone. He simply advertised his sexuality. He was sent home, ironically, for a protest that according to these very words should be entirely in keeping with the spirit of the protest.

safer schools regardless of sexual orientation should include straights, should it not? So why can't they participate as straights?

it's not going to help to pitch a bitch about everything you don't like...that's immature. The point of my post was to be tolerant...tolerance does not demand that you have to like something,

But there is a new tolerance that's going on here Zoo. The old Tolerance meant if you disagreed with something that was ok. You didn't agree and you didn't buy into it and it was ok. You tolerated it but didn't agree. The New Tolerance is YOU HAVE TO AGREE with this lifestyle or you are considered intolerant. If you disagree you are called names like intolerant or bigoted or homophobic etc.

If we are intolerant......then the rest are intolerant of the intolerable.

LULA POSTED:



Zoo,
The point is that homosexual activists and their advocates are using the public education system to indoctrinate (sexualize) kindergarten through 12 grade students into believing the lie that homosexuality is an acceptable, respectable, harmless, alternative sexual behavior. They achieve this through employing their sex-Ed (aka Family Life or Health) curriculum (replete with explicit sexual materials, videos,textbooks, worksheets--all that never go home), extra curricula events such as "Day of Silence", "civil rights team week", "Health Fairs" "Diversity days", "Tolerance days", field trips, and guest speakers.

ZOO POSTS:



Zoo, of course, it's a fact of life that we will all encounter things that we don't like or agree with and we must learn to weight those out and properly deal with them.

But, the core issue here concerns a student's right of self expression against one-sided sexual indoctrination of high school students.


Re "tolerance": Everyone should carefully consider what Gideon and KFC have said so well.

To add to that, homosexual activists started out with the battle cry for tolerance of their sexual behavior in the early 70s. Ironically, they are the very ones militantly bringing what goes on "in the bedroom" out into society. It turns out that clamouring for "tolerance" of homosexuality was only a stepping stone.

Now that homosexuality has been codified as a "right", homosexuality is openly discussed, displayed with impunity, and even encouraged, it is religion, specifically Christianity that speaks against it, that is being shouted into the closet.

There is no doubt that homosexual activists and their advocates wanted much more than "tolerance". They want endorsement, affirmation, acceptablility and respectablility of homosexuality and they want it from our children.


Yet, here in this case, we see the high school themselves not tolerating this boy and his freedom to present the truth concerning his sexuality.

New Tolerance is YOU HAVE TO AGREE with this lifestyle or you are considered intolerant

Well, I'm old school...and I'm just glad I'm out of the standard education system so I can speak my mind as freely as I wish. However, I'll save my breath until there's something worth arguing over...and homosexuality is not something I need to spend my time talking about. It doesn't affect me in the slightest...

~Zoo