Geez, the bold is busted on this thread of yours, KFC . . . fixed it for ya again.

thanks SC....I know I can always count on you.

Yur a good egg!

gee gid,,,sure is a change of heart to how you replied to me on the subject just a short time ago...glad to see your mind has been changed...

Reply By: Gideon MacLeish Posted: Thursday, October 19, 2006
George Bush's motto seems to be "if it's good enough for Abe Lincoln, it's good enough for me"!

this, in response to my article about habeas corpus rights being eliminated by bush...WWW Link

Sean,

How was that any different. My point was, and is, that Bush was NOT the first president to do that. I was referencing the fact that Abraham Lincoln did the very same thing, yet we lionize him!

"consistent "liberal" position as of late."

I'm not a liberal, I'm a person.

"we MUST protect ALL of the Bill of Rights"

Agree.

"CPS will not turn the names of false reporters over to law enforcement." Well there ought to be a law and there is a system in place to get a law passed in regards to this situation.

"I've looked at the research, and I firmly believe the risks to be highly overstated."

Which risks? The potential risks of vaccinating or the sure risks of not vaccinating?

The whole reason vaccines exist are to prevent acquiring something that vaccines prevent, a disease, a medical condition, while not lethal down the road combined with something as severe as a common cold can lead to death or very serious hospitalization. It is of course your decision I just asked what the facts were in reaching it.

"You're correct. That was "not" the question asked. However the one that WAS asked isn't a medical question either. Or can you explain to me how having guns in the house relates to a "medical" exam?"

I cannot. I just thought that if it saves one life because it is asked, and nobody else is irreparably harmed by it, then so be it. Lets see if we can't split a few more hairs here on this topic.

You guys think it's unconstitutional to ask about guns in the dr. office? I agree, but until it's challenged because someone was accused of wrongful doing and challenged that and won in a supreme court somewhere, if the question is helpful in starting the dialogs the parents of children, and young adults, may benefit from having it covered.

"There are solutions, and then there are practical solutions, Dan. You go where the work is."

I didn't say move, I said transit, commute, if there are not medical professionals in your area, unless you live in the middle of a ocean on the azores, you have an ever plenty increasing level of options with each expanding concentric circle of distance. Thirty minutes away, sixty, ninety. If your privacy and care of your children is of top concern I'm not sure but I would assume distance and time traveled isn't of the same concern or would I be wrong?

"And while I'm thinking about it, just "how" is this question germaine to the discussion at hand?"

I thought that if you were a medical professional you might have a unique insight that the rest of us do not. I.e. working in a workplace where you can be sued for your actions more then once a day, having to constantly adjust your practice to the wishes rather then the needs of your patients, that sort of thing.

So how about you just answer yes or no to the question?

Are you a doctor, in the medical professional sense, of the word, doctor?

not as i read it in the context of that discussion. in the reply you gave me, it seemed that you were praising the administration for making a move , that in your view, was parallel to lincoln's.

in this discussion you are clearly criticizing the move to suspend habeas corpus rights. you use bush's suspension of those rights, not as a favorable comparison to lincoln, but as a very unfavorable comparison towards the nazi's and soviets.

if you want to defend the 2 statements as "saying the same thing" feel free, but it's hardly the truth.

but regardless, i'm glad that at least now, on this issue, you have clearly seen the light and agree with what i wrote in october of last year.

70 miles down the road with 2 adults and six kids crammed in a Buick LeSabre isn't practical, Dan. Especially when the vehicle's old enough that breakdowns aren't beyond the realm of possibility.

You really don't have any idea what it's like for a lot of Americans, Dan. The "solutions" you offer work in urban America, but not always in rural America.



You read it wrong then. Period. If you've read much of my work, I think Lincoln was one of the WORST presidents as far as civil rights, Sean. Just because YOU read out of context doesn't mean I was inconsistent.

I did not "see the light", Sean. I've never wavered on this one. At all.

And while I'm thinking about it, just "how" is this question germaine to the discussion at hand?" I thought that if you were a medical professional you might have a unique insight that the rest of us do not. I.e. working in a workplace where you can be sued for your actions more then once a day, having to constantly adjust your practice to the wishes rather then the needs of your patients, that sort of thing. So how about you just answer yes or no to the question? Are you a doctor, in the medical professional sense, of the word, doctor?

The answer would be no, unless it's mechanical in nature.

"70 miles down the road with 2 adults and six kids crammed in a Buick LeSabre isn't practical, Dan."

So one adult stays home with 5 of the children, the other drives the one needing a checkup to your medical professional of choice. It's a trade-off between whats important to you. There are always excuses but you made the case that there were no options.

I'm not splitting hairs with you here Gid, but there are always options, whether or not they appear practical, what's more important to you? Being asked a question by a stranger they have no business asking? Or seeing a medical professional you trust and commuting the extra distance for that privilege.

"The "solutions" you offer work in urban America, but not always in rural America."

You choose to live in a rural area. Nobody made that choice for you. You choose to not vaccinate your children, nobody made that choice for you. You choose to home school your children. Again nobody made that choice for you. Each choice you, I, anybody makes, has consequences good and bad, intended and unintended.

"You really don't have any idea what it's like for a lot of Americans, Dan."

Do explain what that is supposed to mean beyond being extremely insulting. As a matter of fact, I have been an American all my life, so I don't know what the fuck that is supposed to mean, and how exactly it is I know another group of people better, or Americans any worse then you, or then I, should. Do explain.

I have found that you consistently are changing the issue over and over and over again. From one being of invasion of privacy, to being about what's wrong with society, professionals, government officials, and everybody else in general. That's fine. But I can see little more then excuses and petty wish that things were different then they are. It is precisely because society is what it is, faulted, dangerous, and self-destructive at times, sometimes more often then not, that doctors are asking questions to assess risk factors in confidence with patients.

You don't like it, great, fine. Nor do I, but short of changing society, withdrawing from society, or going on a we-must-change society rampage, making the world perfect for everybody, I'm content to do the best I can, as I believe are you. As I believe are the medical professionals doing their job as their conscience and ethics dictate.

You don't vaccinate your kids, your choice, but also one that the general consensus thinks, puts your children at great risk. As for the homeschooling bit, granted I didn't go through your experience, but I have encountered zealots and people who think it's their way or the highway, as I have said before you will find zealots in all lots of life, but carrying that experience over above it's own weighted measure into everything else i.e. We have become Nazi's, or some such is just lunacy.

Do explain what is so different about living rurally and in a city. Aside from the lack of noise, congestion, traffic, violence, and the excess of manure outside city limits. Do you take it that I have never traveled outside the city limits of Appleton?

Well, this was a fairly interesting thread, till someone decided to monopolize the conversation....

lions

I own a lion. He's only one foot high and he wears a grey and white fur coat as a disguise to throw animal control off the scent. He hasn't tried to eat me, but he does take an occasional exploratory lick, so he may be gearing up.

Blades don't need reloading.

when the zombies come it's probably sharp enough to split their skulls...so I think I'm good to go.

I don't like blades. You have to get in too close. Zombie blood sprays and that can be bad news.

My Doc never wants to talk about guns either. And I hate it when he slips and snaps one of those latex gloves on and tells me to roll over.

The better doc's lead up to it with a little conversation and maybe a glass of wine or two. You should drive a couple hours into a large, sprawling urban center to find one of those.


Personally, I don't own a gun because I'd use it. The prospect of spending the rest of my life in a small grey room (despite not sounding too different from my life anyway) does not appeal to me. Besides, those guys won't even slip on latex before telling you to roll over.

This all goes to prove my contention children are nothing but a government plot to infiltrate our homes with highly trained, miniature narcs. Those little pitchers don't just have big ears, they also have two-way wrist communicators ala Dick Tracy. If their government conspiracy doesn't get you, trust me that they're keeping notebooks for a tell-all book. Why do you think they padlock their journals? All you reproducers are screwed! Screwed I tell you!

P.S. Buy my new book, How Bush Is Brainwashing Your Kids To Overthrow Your Household, available next week from lulu.com.