Insights Anyone?
Published on January 17, 2007 By KFC Kickin For Christ In Blogging
A dilemma is a situation requiring a choice between equally undesirable alternatives and I have one right now. Here it is.

For months before we went away on our latest vacation I had a friend of mine beg to take Quincy Dog the next time we needed a dog sitter. So I knew when the time came I could call on her.

Well two weeks before we left she needed help with her animals. She had chickens, a cat, a bunny and a dog. We cared for her animals while she was away. I had to drive about 20 minutes or so to her home and feed and water them and kept her old dog here with me. When she got back, she gladly took Quincy Dog with her while we went on the cruise.

When we got home, I asked her husband at church that morning how my dog behaved. He had a strange look on his face. I knew Quincy did something. I figured he chewed something, peed on something or maybe took a dump in the house. No such luck. It was much worse than that.

After church she came up to me, and I could tell she was struggling with the news. She told me that Quincy killed her rabbit. I was shocked. He's never done any such thing. I've never seen any agression in him at all towards other people or animals. We have a cat. No problem here.

She said they put the rabbit in the house since it was so cold out. It was in a hutch. Like most hutches it had an open front area with wire mesh and the back was made of wood with straw in it. It had a small opening that the bunny would hop in and out of that little room in the back

Well I guess the dog did have a fascination, they said, with this rabbit. They could see quite clearly his interest. He would sit and stare at that cage.

One day they left the dog and the rabbit alone in the house for over seven hours. When they got home the cage was completely destroyed and the rabbit lay dead on the floor. No blood. No open wounds, just dead. They, as well as I, figured he took this as a toy, maybe shook it and when it stopped moving it was no use to him. They could see that it must have taken some time for the dog to get into that cage. He somehow flipped the latch and got in but not before completely destroying the cage. I'm wondering how he could have gotten into that back wooded section. The rabbit must have been in terror hiding out in a back corner. There was only a small opening, way too small for Quincy to get in there. How could he do this?

Well both owners assured me, while they were sick about this when they got home, were now okay. They pleaded with me not to treat Quincy unkindly as they were ok with this now. This is what happened.

At first they cried. They immediately isolated the dog in another part of the house and were wondering how they could continue caring for him. He had been sleeping in their bedroom but not that night. They went to bed sick about this. The next morning, Dan got up, read his bible per usual and something in there spoke to his heart. It had to do with harboring wrath. He shared it with his wife and they both decided they couldn't be angry over this. The dog, part hound, did what was natural and it was partly their fault since they could see Quincy's fascination over this rabbit. Afterall they loved this dog and even looked forward to his visit before all this.

They released him from the isolated room and were amazed at what the dog did next. He has a way of "smiling" when he's in trouble. it's very obvious. Anyhow he had that look on his face as he went around and licked each one of their hands. They have a 10 year old daughter as well. They knew that Quincy was making ammends. They said when they first got home that night before Quincy didn't move a muscle off his bed. Very unusual. It was like he knew what he had done.

Now right there in church when I was told all this, it brought me to tears. I was very upset. I had cared for this rabbit myself two weeks or so before. I was very angry with Quincy and thought my husband is now going to finally kill this dog. I was immediately led to feel that I should not only replace the rabbit but also the cage.

Then I found out that this is no ordinary rabbit, although to me it didn't look unusual. A special breeder has already been contacted. My husband informed me today that he was told the cage cost a thousand dollars. For a bunny hutch?

I didn't tell my husband the news until we got home from church. His first reaction was he felt no responsibility. He said this dog and rabbit were in their care. We were in Florida. How is this our fault? If we lent them our car, and the car rolled down the hill after they parked it, and then damaged their fence, is it our fault or theirs?

So like I always do I went to scripture to find an answer. I found this in Exodus 22:14


"If a man borrows an animal from his neighbor and it is injured or dies while the owner is not present, he must make restitution. But if the owner is with the animal, the borrower will not have to pay. "


While it's not exactly a complete fit, it's pretty close. In this case it's the owner's pet that died. So what to do?

They are expecting us to pay the complete costs, and my husband is saying, it's not our responsibility. I'm feeling like Solomon here and thinking maybe we should split the costs even tho I am not wanting to help fund a thousand dollar bunny cage. I have no idea the cost of the bunny. I'm afraid to ask.

Our Associate Pastor said he was glad it wasn't him making this decision.

So what would you do in this situation? Pay for it completely? Not pay at all? Split the costs not out of responsibility but out of grace and friendship?




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on Jan 17, 2007
Maybe the dog saw the rabbit as usurping the Christian holiday of Easter. Was it also prone to attack people in Satan su, ur... Santa suits?


hahahaha so now I'm thinking.......Quincy the Christian Dog?

They can be frightened to death, which is what I think must have happened to the rabbit I shot and (obviously) missed. When we skinned it there was no physical damage, no other shot pellets in the meat....nothing but that one bb-sized hole in the top part of his ear.


that's what I was thinking when I first read what you said earlier. I think they are so timid they scare very easily even to the point of being scared to death. Who knows maybe that's where the phrase comes from in the first place....wouldn't be surprised.

I'm kind of wondering why Quincy didn't make a meal of the rabbit tho. It looks like after the life was gone out of it, he was done with it. Being a hound maybe that's all he was supposed to do. Fetch it, and drop it. I don't know but it's not something that was taught him. He came by it naturally.

I did call my insurance agent. She said that it probably isn't covered because it's considered property damage not liability. If a dog wrecks furniture, drapes, doors or anything it's not covered. If a person gets bit by a dog then it's covered and considered a liability. I said, :he bit somebody else's rabbit to the point he killed it." But I'm thinking they are going to come back and still say it's property damage even if the property is alive and breathing. She's going to call me back tomorrow after checking for sure.



on Jan 18, 2007
I agree you're not liable, KFC, but I would say because of your husband's occupation, it might be good to make reasonable amends. Here's what I suggest:

Find out what breed the rabbit was. Contact breeders of your own and find out their costs. If the family has any expectations of you paying for it, YOU should be able to do the shopping, not them.

Find out a little bit about the hutch. There's no way it was a $1,000 hutch. If your husband can do it, offer to build it, or, barring that, pay your local high school's wood shop to take on the project, if they will. Personally I would try to make it a little nicer than the original but not so nice that I would get fleeced.

I don't see a small claims court judge siding with your friends, frankly, but if you make these gestures towards restoring what was lost and they refuse, you're covered. You also have a defense against your reputation, should the issue ever arise.
on Jan 18, 2007
(or, then, of course, there's the "Fatal Attraction" approach...dig up the bunny 'n put it in a stew pot).

Sorry, that scene still has me disturbed. Methinks I need therapy.
on Jan 18, 2007
They are expecting us to pay the complete costs, and my husband is saying, it's not our responsibility. I'm feeling like Solomon here and thinking maybe we should split the costs even tho I am not wanting to help fund a thousand dollar bunny cage. I have no idea the cost of the bunny. I'm afraid to ask.


Sorry, but I have to interject yet again. In your friends' Bible studies, did they somehow miss the verses where it talks about not suing fellow Christians?
on Jan 18, 2007
In your friends' Bible studies, did they somehow miss the verses where it talks about not suing fellow Christians?


oh oh! They're not reading carefully enough . . .

I don't see a small claims court judge siding with your friends


Judge Judy would have a heyday with this case . . . just think of all the thinly-veiled epithets she'd hurl at the friends!
on Jan 18, 2007
I don't see a small claims court judge siding with your friends,


That's exactly what my husband said. He said no way would they hold us responsible since we weren't even remotely close and they were the ones taking responsiblilty.

or, then, of course, there's the "Fatal Attraction" approach...dig up the bunny 'n put it in a stew pot).


ewwwwwww that's a bit much

Sorry, that scene still has me disturbed. Methinks I need therapy.


methinks so to....heheheh

did they somehow miss the verses where it talks about not suing fellow Christians?


honestly? I don't think we'd ever see that happening. That's my gut feeling anyhow. They seem to want to do the right thing. I think they just think the right thing without really thinking too deeply is that we're responsiblile cuz it was our dog.

just think of all the thinly-veiled epithets she'd hurl at the friends!


you mean like "bunny wise and hound foolish"?

hahahahah I crack myself up.......

on Jan 26, 2007

So what happened?

I know you handled it well.  You are a classy woman my friend.  And I am blessed to know you.

on Jan 27, 2007
Ok the latest is I received an email from the Mrs with a price of $25 for the bunny and $168.00 for the cage...well under the $1000 we heard thru the grapevine. Let that be a lesson to us all. She has slips and expects us to make full payment although it hasn't really been said.

While we are prepared to do so for the sake of the friendship, we still feel that we should let them know what we are thinking rather than just sweeping all under the rug. So husband talked with husband and they decided we will all four meet..most likely tomorrow.

The first question asked of the husband from my husband is "what do YOU want us to do or think we should do?" His answer was "I don't know." So that's when my husband suggested we meet to discuss it.

I'm thinking grace without truth is hypocricy and truth without grace is cold. I'm still leaning myself, if ok with them, of sharing the burden with us each paying half. If she bristles with that, we will pay all of it and let God deal with them. Our friendship will stay intact.






on Jan 28, 2007
I'm thinking grace without truth is hypocricy and truth without grace is cold. I'm still leaning myself, if ok with them, of sharing the burden with us each paying half. If she bristles with that, we will pay all of it and let God deal with them. Our friendship will stay intact.


  

on Jan 28, 2007
Thanks T.

The latest as of today....they have decided since it was mostly the whole front that was destroyed to see about just replacing the front. The manufacturer has already been called and they are checking into it. We asked again what we should/can do for them and they said to wait until they hear back....

I also mentioned the borrowing of another's animals was also covered in scripture and thought they might like to look into that as well. She laughed and said ..."it figures, if anybody could find scripture on that you can." They are very receptive to scripture so I thought they may want to know. So they went out the door saying they would look it up. All is well, friendship still intact which is the most important of all.
on Jan 28, 2007
Wow are these people stupid. They paid $1,000 bucks for a rabbit hutch which is very stupid, and they left a dog alone with their pet rabbit for 7 hours which is amazingly stupid since the dog had an obvious interest in the creature.

on Jan 28, 2007
in their defense Mason, they didn't pay that much money as I mentioned a few posts ago. That turned out to be false, one of those things we heard thru the grapevine that turned out to be way off. While I agree that they should not have left the dog and rabbit in the same house especially for that amount of time, I'm sure they overestimated the safety of that cage put with this particular dog.

Most dogs I don't thing would have gone to the extremes as my Quincy Dog. He's the most persistent thing on four legs I've ever encountered and the reason he gets into so much trouble.

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